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Appa23 · #1 Post by **Appa23** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:13 am

That is the sentence for Michael Vick.

Actually more than the sentencing guidelines of 12-18 months.

What a dramtic downturn for the much-hyped QB.

PlacentiaSoccerMom · #2 Post by **PlacentiaSoccerMom** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:34 am

Hopefully he will learn from it and maybe his sentencing will be an example for other people who fight dogs.

AnnieCamaro · #3 Post by **AnnieCamaro** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:36 am

Not enough.

/:P\

PlacentiaSoccerMom · #4 Post by **PlacentiaSoccerMom** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:37 am

At least he was punished. I was worried that he wouldn't be.

minimetoo26 · #5 Post by **minimetoo26** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:42 am

That's just the federal sentencing. He still faces state charges.

tanstaafl2 · #6 Post by **tanstaafl2** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:03 am

Means he is out in about 19 months.

Just in time for the start of the 2009 pre season training camps...

NellyLunatic1980 · #7 Post by **NellyLunatic1980** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:04 pm

[comments suppressed so as not to outrage the PETA crazies]

minimetoo26 · #8 Post by **minimetoo26** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:11 pm

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:[comments suppressed so as not to outrage the PETA crazies]

PETA is headquartered in Norfolk, VA, in the same general vicinity as where the incidents occurred. He will not get a break on the state charges, even though he has asked for a jury trial here. He will probably get the max, which is 5 years felony time.

silvercamaro · #9 Post by **silvercamaro** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:16 pm

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:[comments suppressed so as not to outrage the PETA crazies]

I don't consider myself one of those people, who would be outraged that I have pets and prefer leather shoes.

Nevertheless, I support second thoughts in the interest of good taste.

PlacentiaSoccerMom · #10 Post by **PlacentiaSoccerMom** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:37 pm

silvercamaro wrote:
NellyLunatic1980 wrote:[comments suppressed so as not to outrage the PETA crazies]
I don't consider myself one of those people, who would be outraged that I have pets and prefer leather shoes.

Nevertheless, I support second thoughts in the interest of good taste.

I have leather stuff and love animals. I guess that makes me a hypocrite.

I don't wear fur though.

peacock2121 · #11 Post by **peacock2121** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:10 pm

I have just kept asking myself "How long would be long enough?"

I don't know the answer to that.

I would much rather have his career and the resulting life style ruined and have him have a little taste of Bubba (daily taste would be nice) in jail than be concerned about how long he sits there - how long we have to pay for him to sit there.

geoffil · #12 Post by **geoffil** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:15 pm

Annie C.

I totally agree.

NellyLunatic1980 · #13 Post by **NellyLunatic1980** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:55 pm

OK, follow me through this logic:

About 8 years ago, Ray Lewis of the Ravens committed murder and aggravated assault. To this day, he has never served a day in jail. He got a $250,000 fine and a slap on the wrist thanks to a nice juicy plea deal.

And don't even get me started on Pacman Jones.

Michael Vick unknowingly financed dogfighting. Whether it was actually knowingly, which I don't believe for a million years that it is, is irrelevant. Whether he personally killed any dogs is also irrelevant. But, for the sake of argument, let's say he did both. He got 23 months.

Kill people, $250K fine. Kill dogs, 23 months' imprisonment.

OK, that's fair!

And you wonder why I think this country's corrupted justice system ain't worth the dynamite to blow it to hell. We got to do better.

There is no sports bias here. I'm an Eagles and Rams fan.

PlacentiaSoccerMom · #14 Post by **PlacentiaSoccerMom** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:04 pm

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:OK, follow me through this logic:

About 8 years ago, Ray Lewis of the Ravens committed murder and aggravated assault. To this day, he has never served a day in jail. He got a $250,000 fine and a slap on the wrist thanks to a nice juicy plea deal.

And don't even get me started on Pacman Jones.

Michael Vick unknowingly financed dogfighting. Whether it was actually knowingly, which I don't believe for a million years that it is, is irrelevant. Whether he personally killed any dogs is also irrelevant. But, for the sake of argument, let's say he did both. He got 23 months.

Kill people, $250K fine. Kill dogs, 23 months' imprisonment.

OK, that's fair!

And you wonder why I think this country's corrupted justice system ain't worth the dynamite to blow it to hell. We got to do better.

There is no sports bias here. I'm an Eagles and Rams fan.

Given the fact that so many NFL people get off for far worse (OJ Simpson comes to mind) I was sure that Vick would get off.

Compared to Simpson or Lewis, he was punished severely. But you can't go back and try to fix what happened with Simpson or Lewis, I think that the justice system can only go forward and try to give justice.

Anyway, I think that Simpson will probably being doing extra time for his recent shenanigans.

I think the days of NFL players getting "Get Out of Jail Free" cards is gone.

tanstaafl2 · #15 Post by **tanstaafl2** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:14 pm

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:OK, follow me through this logic:

About 8 years ago, Ray Lewis of the Ravens committed murder and aggravated assault. To this day, he has never served a day in jail. He got a $250,000 fine and a slap on the wrist thanks to a nice juicy plea deal.

Neither a lawyer nor do I play one on TV but as I recall he was an accomplice to the murder by helping obfuscate the facts. Don't think anyone believed he was directly responsible. But I could be disremembering that.

Never the less, he got off to light. I would be surprised by that except it occured under the auspices of the Atlanta prosecutors office, a bureaucracy that is more broken than the legal system in general.

NellyLunatic1980 wrote: And don't even get me started on Pacman Jones.

Ok, I won't!

NellyLunatic1980 wrote: Michael Vick unknowingly financed dogfighting. Whether it was actually knowingly, which I don't believe for a million years that it is, is irrelevant. Whether he personally killed any dogs is also irrelevant. But, for the sake of argument, let's say he did both. He got 23 months.

Don't know for sure but I don't believe for a moment that he didn't know what he was financing. I believe he was as guilty as guilty can be.

NellyLunatic1980 wrote: Kill people, $250K fine. Kill dogs, 23 months' imprisonment.

OK, that's fair!

Hmm, well I know a number of people I have less use for than most dogs so that doesn't seem to be all that far off base...

NellyLunatic1980 wrote: And you wonder why I think this country's corrupted justice system ain't worth the dynamite to blow it to hell. We got to do better.

Can't argue with that one. We certainly need to.

We won't.

NellyLunatic1980 wrote: There is no sports bias here. I'm an Eagles and Rams fan.

No sports bias here either. I am a Falcons follower and have been since they were in existence as well as a former season ticket holder. Of course after that much time watching this perpetual disaster it really isn't appropriate or realistic to describe yourself as a Falcon "fan" though...

elwoodblues · #16 Post by **elwoodblues** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:34 pm

Look at it this way. He got almost 14 years in dog years.

SportsFan68 · #17 Post by **SportsFan68** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:51 pm

tanstaafl2 wrote:
NellyLunatic1980 wrote: And you wonder why I think this country's corrupted justice system ain't worth the dynamite to blow it to hell. We got to do better.
Can't argue with that one. We certainly need to.

We won't.

We got to where we're at after more than 200 years; in some cases more than 500. A lot of water law out west is based on "first in time, first in right," a concept that the Spaniards brought with them along with the Requerimiento and other horrible ideas.

Tan's right. We're not going to change something that's been in the works for centuries. We'll do it incrementally. Change is possible -- anybody who watches cop shows can recite the Miranda warning without thinking. Garcia v. San Antonio changed the face of public employment law forever. As for murdering celebrities going free, the solution is out there somewhere, and maybe Vick's sentence is one of the first steps in getting there.