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If you believe in the founding principles

#1 Post by Sir_Galahad » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:22 am

If you are sick and tired of where the current administration is leading this country, then I would urge you to sign up for The 912 Project.

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#2 Post by minimetoo26 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:29 am

Seriously, if enough people didn't want him doing what he's doing, they would have voted for the other guy, Sirge.

It's over. He won. That's what elections are for--gauging the will of the people .
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#3 Post by ToLiveIsToFly » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:42 am

Well, you lost me at #2.

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#4 Post by BackInTex » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:51 am

minimetoo26 wrote:Seriously, if enough people didn't want him doing what he's doing, they would have voted for the other guy, Sirge.

It's over. He won. That's what elections are for--gauging the will of the people .
So you think he is doing anything (other than continuing to campaign)?

And if you think he is, you think he is doing anything close to what he campaigned he'd do?
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#5 Post by BigDrawMan » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:56 am

i counter urge you to join the Council for Natiional Policy.

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Re: If you believe in the founding principles

#6 Post by minimetoo26 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:58 am

BackInTex wrote:
minimetoo26 wrote:Seriously, if enough people didn't want him doing what he's doing, they would have voted for the other guy, Sirge.

It's over. He won. That's what elections are for--gauging the will of the people .
So you think he is doing anything (other than continuing to campaign)?

And if you think he is, you think he is doing anything close to what he campaigned he'd do?

I'm just saying he won, it's over, and I don't really feel like having the Campaign 2012 cranked up less than 100 days into the current administration. It just makes this place poisonous.

IMO. Clearly.
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#7 Post by Sir_Galahad » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:58 am

minimetoo26 wrote:Seriously, if enough people didn't want him doing what he's doing, they would have voted for the other guy, Sirge.

It's over. He won. That's what elections are for--gauging the will of the people .
I seriously do not believe most people that voted for him had the slightest clue as to what he stood for and where he would (and is) taking this country. They were so saturated with the "he's not Bush" crap that he and the media pushed that they just blindly voted for him (and, yes, I do believe that).

If you want to sit back, sip your latte, and watch the country sink further into the abyss, that's your prerogative. I won't do that. If you won't fight to keep America from falling off the tracks that our founding fathers fought to construct, there are many people that will. If you want to stand behind the glass and slowly watch your freedoms erode, feel free. I won't do that.
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Re: If you believe in the founding principles

#8 Post by minimetoo26 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:01 am

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minimetoo26 wrote:Seriously, if enough people didn't want him doing what he's doing, they would have voted for the other guy, Sirge.

It's over. He won. That's what elections are for--gauging the will of the people .
I seriously do not believe most people that voted for him had the slightest clue as to what he stood for and where he would (and is) taking this country. They were so saturated with the "he's not Bush" crap that he and the media pushed that they just blindly voted for him (and, yes, I do believe that).

If you want to sit back, sip your latte, and watch the country sink further into the abyss, that's your prerogative. I won't do that. If you won't fight to keep America from falling off the tracks that our founding fathers fought to construct, there are many people that will. If you want to stand behind the glass and slowly watch your freedoms erode, feel free. I won't do that.
I don't do latte. The country is not in any kind of abyss except financially, in my mind. I liked my freedom from unwarranted search up until the last administration, thank you very much.

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Re: If you believe in the founding principles

#9 Post by BigDrawMan » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:07 am

Sir_Galahad wrote:
minimetoo26 wrote:Seriously, if enough people didn't want him doing what he's doing, they would have voted for the other guy, Sirge.

It's over. He won. That's what elections are for--gauging the will of the people .
I seriously do not believe most people that voted for him had the slightest clue as to what he stood for and where he would (and is) taking this country. They were so saturated with the "he's not Bush" crap that he and the media pushed that they just blindly voted for him (and, yes, I do believe that).

If you want to sit back, sip your latte, and watch the country sink further into the abyss, that's your prerogative. I won't do that. If you won't fight to keep America from falling off the tracks that our founding fathers fought to construct, there are many people that will. If you want to stand behind the glass and slowly watch your freedoms erode, feel free. I won't do that.


you have a bad habit of speaking for other people

i voted for him

he is as advertised



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#10 Post by Jeemie » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:13 am

BigDrawMan wrote:you have a bad habit of speaking for other people

i voted for him

he is as advertised
If "as advertised", you mean "all things to all people", then yes, he is as advertised.

If you think he represents "hope and change" (which was what supposedly was "advertised"), then you know as much about politicians as, say, college basketball.

He is anything BUT "hope and change". He is more of the same...only the wrapping on the package has changed.
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#11 Post by Sir_Galahad » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:13 am

BigDrawMan wrote:
Sir_Galahad wrote:
minimetoo26 wrote:Seriously, if enough people didn't want him doing what he's doing, they would have voted for the other guy, Sirge.

It's over. He won. That's what elections are for--gauging the will of the people .
I seriously do not believe most people that voted for him had the slightest clue as to what he stood for and where he would (and is) taking this country. They were so saturated with the "he's not Bush" crap that he and the media pushed that they just blindly voted for him (and, yes, I do believe that).

If you want to sit back, sip your latte, and watch the country sink further into the abyss, that's your prerogative. I won't do that. If you won't fight to keep America from falling off the tracks that our founding fathers fought to construct, there are many people that will. If you want to stand behind the glass and slowly watch your freedoms erode, feel free. I won't do that.


you have a bad habit of speaking for other people
I have a lot of bad habits. Not the least of which is speaking my mind.
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Re: If you believe in the founding principles

#12 Post by minimetoo26 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:14 am

Sir_Galahad wrote:
BigDrawMan wrote:
Sir_Galahad wrote: I seriously do not believe most people that voted for him had the slightest clue as to what he stood for and where he would (and is) taking this country. They were so saturated with the "he's not Bush" crap that he and the media pushed that they just blindly voted for him (and, yes, I do believe that).

If you want to sit back, sip your latte, and watch the country sink further into the abyss, that's your prerogative. I won't do that. If you won't fight to keep America from falling off the tracks that our founding fathers fought to construct, there are many people that will. If you want to stand behind the glass and slowly watch your freedoms erode, feel free. I won't do that.


you have a bad habit of speaking for other people
I have a lot of bad habits. Not the least of which is speaking my mind.
Or someone elses'.

ctrl c, ctrl v...........
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#13 Post by Sir_Galahad » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:15 am

BigDrawMan wrote:
Sir_Galahad wrote:
minimetoo26 wrote:Seriously, if enough people didn't want him doing what he's doing, they would have voted for the other guy, Sirge.

It's over. He won. That's what elections are for--gauging the will of the people .
I seriously do not believe most people that voted for him had the slightest clue as to what he stood for and where he would (and is) taking this country. They were so saturated with the "he's not Bush" crap that he and the media pushed that they just blindly voted for him (and, yes, I do believe that).

If you want to sit back, sip your latte, and watch the country sink further into the abyss, that's your prerogative. I won't do that. If you won't fight to keep America from falling off the tracks that our founding fathers fought to construct, there are many people that will. If you want to stand behind the glass and slowly watch your freedoms erode, feel free. I won't do that.


i voted for him
I won't hold that against you. :(
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#14 Post by earendel » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:17 am

Jeemie wrote:
BigDrawMan wrote:you have a bad habit of speaking for other people

i voted for him

he is as advertised
If "as advertised", you mean "all things to all people", then yes, he is as advertised.

If you think he represents "hope and change" (which was what supposedly was "advertised"), then you know as much about politicians as, say, college basketball.

He is anything BUT "hope and change". He is more of the same...only the wrapping on the package has changed.
From what I hear, people still have hope that Obama is going to fix things. Whether he will or not is a separate issue, but I believe that "the promise of hope" is still strong. And as for change, I'd say that there has been some. Again, whether that's a good or bad thing is a separate issue, and one could argue that change is inevitable (except from vending machines :mrgreen: ), so it would have occurred no matter who had been elected.
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#15 Post by WebTVThingie » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:27 am

minimetoo26 wrote:
Sir_Galahad wrote:
BigDrawMan wrote:

you have a bad habit of speaking for other people
I have a lot of bad habits. Not the least of which is speaking my mind.
Or someone elses'.

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#16 Post by TheCalvinator24 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:33 am

ToLiveIsToFly wrote:Well, you lost me at #2.
Didn't lose me at #2, but #4 is is contradictory to #2.
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#17 Post by trevor_macfee » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:46 am

Lost me at #1 - "America is good."

While that sounds nice, America is not "good." Sometimes, America, as a political entity, acts in ways that is "good," and sometimes not. I'd like to believe more the former than the latter, but a blanket statement of goodness is silly.

America, in its history and current reality, is a mixed bag of goodness and not-so goodness.

Maybe "America can be a force for good," or "The ideas upon which America is based are good" or something like that would be better.

I am surprised that the claim "America is good" is made in the same list that includes language about God. Theologically, at least according to Christian theology, as a fallible entity made up of fallible people, America cannot be "good." As Jesus said, "No one is good - except God alone."

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#18 Post by ulysses5019 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:55 am

Sir_Galahad wrote:If you are sick and tired of where the current administration is leading this country, then I would urge you to sign up for The 912 Project.

http://www.the912project.com/

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#19 Post by DadofTwins » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:11 am

1 is wrong. "Good" is not measured on a scale.

6 is wrong. "Rights" are a social, not theological, construct, sometimes protected (and sometimes not) by the civil authorities. What we get from God are not rights or privileges, but obligations.

4 & 7 contradict 2. God is the ultimate authority, not me or my wife or anybody else. Thus, it is not up to me to decide who I want to be charitable to. God has given me what He has given me so that I can glorify Him in the ways He chooses. I either obey or I don't.

9 is jibberish. The ideal relationship between a government and its people is "mutual benign neglect." I don't work for the government, and it doesn't work for me. It may need my help to do its job occasionally (taxes, jury duty, etc.), but it's not my place to tell the government what to do unless it asks. The rest of the time, I pray for the people in leadership and try to stay out of their way as much as my duties to the Ultimate Authority will allow.
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#20 Post by TheCalvinator24 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:15 am

DadofTwins wrote:6 is wrong. "Rights" are a social, not theological, construct, sometimes protected (and sometimes not) by the civil authorities. What we get from God are not rights or privileges, but obligations.
Thomas Jefferson disagreed with you. "All men are created equal, and they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights . . . ."
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#21 Post by minimetoo26 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:18 am

DadofTwins, I LOVE your signature! My son has shown that ballot to his friends and they got such a kick out of it!
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#22 Post by SportsFan68 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:20 am

I like what DadofTwins said about 9. A while back, the Mayor of Podunkville got a delightful batch of letters from a fourth grade class in a church school saying they were wishing her well and would pray for her. I think this is where that came from:

Pray for Our Leaders
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 2:1-4 KJV


What Dad said also reflected the fact that we live in a republic, which I wish the voters of Colorado would keep in mind a little better.
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#23 Post by Jeemie » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:44 am

DadofTwins wrote:It may need my help to do its job occasionally (taxes, jury duty, etc.), but it's not my place to tell the government what to do unless it asks.
This is both right and wrong.

Right- because we live in a republic, and we elect leaders to work together to make decisions on our behalf. We do not have a "town meeting" style of government.

Wrong- because we are the ultimate check on government. So ultimately, the government DOES "answer to me" (or, more apporpriately, "the people").

So it IS oftentimes our place to "tell it what to do".

"Mutual benign neglect" may be an ideal, but it will never happen. Too many people have this attitude towards government already, and we can see that the outcome is (and always will be) that the government will NOT return the favor.
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#24 Post by Jeemie » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:59 am

Why are we talking about Glenn Beck anyway?

That dude has CRACKED, man.
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#25 Post by Rexer25 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:10 am

ulysses5019 wrote:
Sir_Galahad wrote:If you are sick and tired of where the current administration is leading this country, then I would urge you to sign up for The 912 Project.

http://www.the912project.com/

Stop the madness!
Found it.
Enough already. It's my fault! Get over it!

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