Game #123: Casting Coups

[KillerTomato]

Regardless of my last post, add

Martin Ritt - Jon Voight (Conrack and The Champ) and
Michael Mann - Will Smith (Ali)

Karate Kid, Rocky, Queen Christina, Robin Hood, Gigi, American in Paris, Shane, Alice Adams.

I am thinking the actors play the title character. But that still gives us the kind of disjointedness that we were thinking of.

Which is why I don't think Warren Beatty works for BONNIE AND CLYDE (since we don't have Faye Dunaway). But Paul Newman works for "The Left-Handed Gun".

Peter Boyle was in a flick called "Joe" by John Avildsen. (FTR, I remembered the movie, but not the director, so I did look that part up).

[Weyoun]

Heston was in Wyler's Ben Hur.

Steiger was in Lumet's Pawnbroker.

[Weyoun]

Did Reiner direct The American President?

De Mille also directed the Jeffrey Hunter King of Kings remake I think.

[KillerTomato]

I think B-3 is "The Nun's Story," since Fred Zinnemann would give us Vanessa Redgrave (Julia) and part of Spencer Tracy (The Old Man and the Sea, which he codirected with John Sturges).

[KillerTomato]

And yes, Rob Reiner did "The American President".

[KillerTomato]

Add

Norman Jewison - Steve McQueen ("The Cincinnati Kid" and "The Thomas Crown Affair") and Denzel Washington ("The Hurricane").

[Weyoun]

Zinneman gives us Scofield too.

[KillerTomato]

I think I figured out the Elizabeth/Judas one:

SUNDAY BLOODY SUNDAY had Glenda Jackson ("Mary Queen of Scots") and Murray Head (who was the original Judas on the concept album of "Jesus Christ Superstar") vying for Peter Finch's affections.

That gives us John Schlesinger, Jon Voight (again, "Midnight Cowboy"), and Dustin Hoffman (again, "Marathon Man").

[KillerTomato]

Zinneman gives us Scofield too.

Well, DUH. "A Man For All Seasons" is what made me think of him in the first place! That said, though, Frank referenced that movie in his clue for Scofield, and he usually doesn't do that.


Edited to add: That "DUH!" was for ME, not you. I realized after posting that it could be read either way, and didn't want you to think I was being condescending!

[franktangredi]

I'm thinking we're missing something here. Frank said the first step was to match up the actors into triples, THEN match them to the directors. (Not in so many words, but...) Doesn't that imply that the actors have to be related independently of the directors first? I thought at first they might be in ANOTHER movie as title characters together (a la Dustin Hoffman and Meryl Streep as Kramer vs. Kramer), then used independently with ANOTHER director (one who didn't direct them together, since I don't see Robert Benton anywhere), so that puts Hoffman (The Graduate) and Streep (Silkwood) together again....but I can't make it work with triples. That said, I still think we're missing a layer here.

I was thinking the same thing.

We are missing something.

No. You aren't.

[silverscreenselect]

B-10. This courtroom drama was the first film made by its star’s independent production company – in fact, the first film made by any Hollywood star’s independent production company.

Working backward and with a bit of cheating. Nicholas Ray directed the King of Kings remake with Jeffrey Hunter, Rebel without a Cause (Dean) and Johnny Guitar (Hayden). Checking Ray's filmography, this movie is Knock on Any Door, which was produced by Humphrey Bogart's production company.

[franktangredi]

I'm thinking we're missing something here. Frank said the first step was to match up the actors into triples, THEN match them to the directors. (Not in so many words, but...) Doesn't that imply that the actors have to be related independently of the directors first? I thought at first they might be in ANOTHER movie as title characters together (a la Dustin Hoffman and Meryl Streep as Kramer vs. Kramer), then used independently with ANOTHER director (one who didn't direct them together, since I don't see Robert Benton anywhere), so that puts Hoffman (The Graduate) and Streep (Silkwood) together again....but I can't make it work with triples. That said, I still think we're missing a layer here.

I was thinking the same thing.

We are missing something.

No. You aren't.

I mean, not in that sense. I would add, though, that not every movie that there is one small refinement in the "title character" bit that may help eliminate some choices. Very small.

[silverscreenselect]

A couple more before I call it quits here.

John Ford - John Wayne (The Quiet Man)
George Stevens - Sam Jaffe (Gunga Din)

[mellytu74]

Can someone do a consolidation?

I am not going to have extended computer access until this afternoon.

Thanks.

[plasticene]

I can do a consolidation. I removed Omar Sharif (Funny Girl), James Dean (Giant), Miriam Hopkins (These Three), and Fredric March (Best Years of Our Lives), since those movie titles don't apply and those actors are used elsewhere. I put question marks on other movies that aren't exactly the character played by the actor. I put stars next to the actors' names that have been used at least once, except for the ones that have question marks by their movies.

LIST A: ACTORS

A-1. KATHARINE HEPBURN*
A-2. GENE KELLY*
A-3. PAUL NEWMAN*
A-4. FREDRIC MARCH*
A-5. MATT DAMON*
A-6. MARLENE DIETRICH
A-7. WOODY ALLEN
A-8. JOSH BROLIN*
A-9. WALTER HUSTON
A-10. ERROL FLYNN*
A-11. ANNE BANCROFT*
A-12. SYLVESTER STALLONE*
A-13. DENZEL WASHINGTON*
A-14. SCOTT BAIO*
A-15. MERYL STREEP*
A-16. JAMES DEAN*
A-17. AL PACINO*
A-18. PAUL SCOFIELD*
A-19. BILLY BOB THORNTON*
A-20. TOM COURTENAY
A-21. KEVIN KLINE*
A-22. JOAN CRAWFORD*
A-23. KIRK DOUGLAS*
A-24. GENE TIERNEY*
A-25. PETER O’TOOLE*
A-26. HB WARNER*
A-27. MICHAEL DOUGLAS*
A-28. MATTHEW MODINE
A-29. DIANE KEATON*
A-30. WARREN BEATTY
A-31. JOHN WAYNE*
A-32. UMA THURMAN*
A-33. WILL SMITH*
A-34. VANESSA REDGRAVE*
A-35. PETER BOYLE*
A-36. LESLIE CARON*
A-37. SAM JAFFE*
A-38. RYAN O'NEAL*
A-39. ROBIN WRIGHT PENN*
A-40. ERIC SCHWEIG
A-41. SALLY FIELD*
A-42. JEFFREY HUNTER*
A-43. SHIRLEY MACLAINE*
A-44. DAVID HUDDLESTON*
A-45. ROD STEIGER*
A-46. GREER GARSON
A-47. ANTHONY HOPKINS*
A-48. GRETA GARBO*
A-49. MATT DILLON*
A-50. JEAN SEBERG*
A-51. DUSTIN HOFFMAN*
A-52. AUDREY HEPBURN*
A-53. STERLING HAYDEN*
A-54. RALPH MACCHIO*
A-55.ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER
A-56. MEG TILLY*
A-57. SPENCER TRACY*
A-58. DOROTHY DANDRIDGE*
A-59. RICHARD PRYOR*
A-60. DAVID WARNER
A-61. MIA FARROW*
A-62. MIRIAM HOPKINS*
A-63. ELIJAH WOOD*
A-64. MELANIE GRIFFITH*
A-65. VICTOR MCLAGLEN*
A-66. OMAR SHARIF*
A-67. MADONNA*
A-68. ALAN LADD*
A-69. JIMMY CAGNEY*
A-70. PIER ANGELI
A-71. RUSSELL CROWE*
A-72. JON VOIGHT*
A-73. PETER SELLERS*
A-74. CHARLTON HESTON*
A-75. SEAN PENN*
A-76. COLIN FARRELL*
A-77. JOHN TURTURRO*
A-78. SARAH MILES
A-79. CLAUDETTE COLBERT
A-80. STEVE MCQUEEN*

DIRECTORS
B-1. MICHAEL CURTIZ -- Errol Flynn (Robin Hood), James Cagney (Yankee Doodle Dandy), Joan Crawford (Mildred Pierce)
B-2. JOHN SCHLESINGER, Jon Voight (Midnight Cowboy), Dustin Hoffman (Marathon Man)
B-3. FRED ZINNEMAN -- Vanessa Redgrave (Julia), Spencer Tracy (The Old Man and the Sea?), Paul Scofield (A Man for All Seasons)
B-4. WILLIAM WYLER -- Charlton Heston (Ben Hur)
B-5. STANLEY KUBRICK -- Peter Sellers (Dr. Strangelove ), Ryan O'Neal (Barry Lyndon), Kirk Douglas (Spartacus)
B-6. GEORGE STEVENS -- Katharine Hepburn (Alice Adams), Alan Ladd (Shane), Sam Jaffe (Gunga Din)
B-7. WOODY ALLEN --Mia Farrow (Alice), Diane Keaton (Annie Hall)
B-8. ARTHUR PENN -- Dustin Hoffman (Little Big Man), Warren Beatty (Bonnie and Clyde?), Anne Bancroft (Miracle Worker)
B-9. RIDLEY SCOTT -- Russell Crowe (Gladiator), Denzel Washington (American Gangster) and Anthony Hopkins (Hannibal)
B-10. NICHOLAS RAY -- Jeffrey Hunter (King of Kings), James Dean (Rebel Without a Cause), Sterling Hayden (Johnny Guitar)
B-11. MIKE NICHOLS -- Melanie Griffith (Working Girl), Dustin Hoffman (The Graduate), Meryl Streep (Silkwood)
B-12. CECIL B. DEMILLE -- HB Warner (King of Kings),
B-13. SIDNEY LUMET -- Richard Pryor (The Wiz), Al Pacino (Serpico), Rod Steiger (The Pawnbroker)
B-14. ROUBEN MAMOULIAN -- Greta Garbo (Queen Christina), Miriam Hopkins (Becky Sharp), Fredric March (Dr. Jekyll)
B-15. BILLY WILDER -- Shirley MacLaine (Irma La Douce), Audrey Hepburn (Sabrina)
B-16. ALAN PARKER -- Scott Baio (Bugsy Malone), Madonna (Evita),
B-17. OTTO PREMINGER -- Gene Tierney (Laura), Dorothy Dandridge (Carmen Jones), Jean Seberg (Joan of Arc)
B-18. VINCENTE MINNELLI -- Spencer Tracy (Father oif the Bride), Leslie Caron (Gigi), Gene Kelly (American in Paris)
B-19. MICHAEL MANN -- Schweig (The Last of the Mohicans), Russell Crowe (The Insider), Will Smith (Ali)
B-20. DAVID LEAN -- Omar Sharif (Dr. Zhivago), Peter O'Toole (Lawrence of Arabia)
B-21. GUS VAN SANT --Sean Penn (Milk), Matt Damon (Good Will Hunting)
B-22. KAREL REISZ
B-23. MARTIN RITT -- Sally Field (Norma Rae), Paul Newman (Hud, Hombre), Jon Voight (Conrack, The Champ)
B-24. JOHN FORD -- Victor McLaglen (The Informer), John Wayne (The Quiet Man)
B-25. ROB REINER -- Robin Wright Penn (The Princess Bride), Elijah Wood (North), Michael Douglas (The American President)
B-26. JOHN AVILDSEN -- Ralph Macchio (Karate Kid), Sylvester Stallone (Rocky), Peter Boyle (Joe)
B-27. IVAN REITMAN -- Kevin Kline's (Dave), Arnold Schwargeneger (Twins?), Uma Thurman (My Super Ex-Girlfriend)
B-28. NORMAN JEWISON -- Meg Tilly (Agnes of God), Steve McQueen (The Cincinnati Kid), Denzel Washington (The Hurricane)
B-29. COEN BROTHERS -- David Huddleston (Big Lebowski), Billy Bob Thornton (The Man Who Knew Too Much), John Turturro (Barton Fink)
B-30. OLIVER STONE -- Josh Brolin (W), Anthony Hopkins (Nixon), Colin Farrell (Alexander)

[franktangredi]

I can do a consolidation. I removed Omar Sharif (Funny Girl), James Dean (Giant), Miriam Hopkins (These Three), and Fredric March (Best Years of Our Lives), since those movie titles don't apply and those actors are used elsewhere. I put question marks on other movies that aren't exactly the character played by the actor. I put stars next to the actors' names that have been used at least once, except for the ones that have question marks by their movies.

LIST A: ACTORS

A-1. KATHARINE HEPBURN*
A-2. GENE KELLY*
A-3. PAUL NEWMAN*
A-4. FREDRIC MARCH*
A-5. MATT DAMON*
A-6. MARLENE DIETRICH
A-7. WOODY ALLEN
A-8. JOSH BROLIN*
A-9. WALTER HUSTON
A-10. ERROL FLYNN*
A-11. ANNE BANCROFT*
A-12. SYLVESTER STALLONE*
A-13. DENZEL WASHINGTON*
A-14. SCOTT BAIO*
A-15. MERYL STREEP*
A-16. JAMES DEAN*
A-17. AL PACINO*
A-18. PAUL SCOFIELD*
A-19. BILLY BOB THORNTON*
A-20. TOM COURTENAY
A-21. KEVIN KLINE*
A-22. JOAN CRAWFORD*
A-23. KIRK DOUGLAS*
A-24. GENE TIERNEY*
A-25. PETER O’TOOLE*
A-26. HB WARNER*
A-27. MICHAEL DOUGLAS*
A-28. MATTHEW MODINE
A-29. DIANE KEATON*
A-30. WARREN BEATTY
A-31. JOHN WAYNE*
A-32. UMA THURMAN*
A-33. WILL SMITH*
A-34. VANESSA REDGRAVE*
A-35. PETER BOYLE*
A-36. LESLIE CARON*
A-37. SAM JAFFE*
A-38. RYAN O'NEAL*
A-39. ROBIN WRIGHT PENN*
A-40. ERIC SCHWEIG
A-41. SALLY FIELD*
A-42. JEFFREY HUNTER*
A-43. SHIRLEY MACLAINE*
A-44. DAVID HUDDLESTON*
A-45. ROD STEIGER*
A-46. GREER GARSON
A-47. ANTHONY HOPKINS*
A-48. GRETA GARBO*
A-49. MATT DILLON*
A-50. JEAN SEBERG*
A-51. DUSTIN HOFFMAN*
A-52. AUDREY HEPBURN*
A-53. STERLING HAYDEN*
A-54. RALPH MACCHIO*
A-55.ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER
A-56. MEG TILLY*
A-57. SPENCER TRACY*
A-58. DOROTHY DANDRIDGE*
A-59. RICHARD PRYOR*
A-60. DAVID WARNER
A-61. MIA FARROW*
A-62. MIRIAM HOPKINS*
A-63. ELIJAH WOOD*
A-64. MELANIE GRIFFITH*
A-65. VICTOR MCLAGLEN*
A-66. OMAR SHARIF*
A-67. MADONNA*
A-68. ALAN LADD*
A-69. JIMMY CAGNEY*
A-70. PIER ANGELI
A-71. RUSSELL CROWE*
A-72. JON VOIGHT*
A-73. PETER SELLERS*
A-74. CHARLTON HESTON*
A-75. SEAN PENN*
A-76. COLIN FARRELL*
A-77. JOHN TURTURRO*
A-78. SARAH MILES
A-79. CLAUDETTE COLBERT
A-80. STEVE MCQUEEN*

DIRECTORS
B-1. MICHAEL CURTIZ -- Errol Flynn (Robin Hood), James Cagney (Yankee Doodle Dandy), Joan Crawford (Mildred Pierce)
B-2. JOHN SCHLESINGER, Jon Voight (Midnight Cowboy), Dustin Hoffman (Marathon Man)
B-3. FRED ZINNEMAN -- Vanessa Redgrave (Julia), Spencer Tracy (The Old Man and the Sea?), Paul Scofield (A Man for All Seasons)
B-4. WILLIAM WYLER -- Charlton Heston (Ben Hur)
B-5. STANLEY KUBRICK -- Peter Sellers (Dr. Strangelove ), Ryan O'Neal (Barry Lyndon), Kirk Douglas (Spartacus)
B-6. GEORGE STEVENS -- Katharine Hepburn (Alice Adams), Alan Ladd (Shane), Sam Jaffe (Gunga Din)
B-7. WOODY ALLEN --Mia Farrow (Alice), Diane Keaton (Annie Hall)
B-8. ARTHUR PENN -- Dustin Hoffman (Little Big Man), Warren Beatty (Bonnie and Clyde?), Anne Bancroft (Miracle Worker)
B-9. RIDLEY SCOTT -- Russell Crowe (Gladiator), Denzel Washington (American Gangster) and Anthony Hopkins (Hannibal)
B-10. NICHOLAS RAY -- Jeffrey Hunter (King of Kings), James Dean (Rebel Without a Cause), Sterling Hayden (Johnny Guitar)
B-11. MIKE NICHOLS -- Melanie Griffith (Working Girl), Dustin Hoffman (The Graduate), Meryl Streep (Silkwood)
B-12. CECIL B. DEMILLE -- HB Warner (King of Kings),
B-13. SIDNEY LUMET -- Richard Pryor (The Wiz), Al Pacino (Serpico), Rod Steiger (The Pawnbroker)
B-14. ROUBEN MAMOULIAN -- Greta Garbo (Queen Christina), Miriam Hopkins (Becky Sharp), Fredric March (Dr. Jekyll)
B-15. BILLY WILDER -- Shirley MacLaine (Irma La Douce), Audrey Hepburn (Sabrina)
B-16. ALAN PARKER -- Scott Baio (Bugsy Malone), Madonna (Evita),
B-17. OTTO PREMINGER -- Gene Tierney (Laura), Dorothy Dandridge (Carmen Jones), Jean Seberg (Joan of Arc)
B-18. VINCENTE MINNELLI -- Spencer Tracy (Father oif the Bride), Leslie Caron (Gigi), Gene Kelly (American in Paris)
B-19. MICHAEL MANN -- Schweig (The Last of the Mohicans), Russell Crowe (The Insider), Will Smith (Ali)
B-20. DAVID LEAN -- Omar Sharif (Dr. Zhivago), Peter O'Toole (Lawrence of Arabia)
B-21. GUS VAN SANT --Sean Penn (Milk), Matt Damon (Good Will Hunting)
B-22. KAREL REISZ
B-23. MARTIN RITT -- Sally Field (Norma Rae), Paul Newman (Hud, Hombre), Jon Voight (Conrack, The Champ)
B-24. JOHN FORD -- Victor McLaglen (The Informer), John Wayne (The Quiet Man)
B-25. ROB REINER -- Robin Wright Penn (The Princess Bride), Elijah Wood (North), Michael Douglas (The American President)
B-26. JOHN AVILDSEN -- Ralph Macchio (Karate Kid), Sylvester Stallone (Rocky), Peter Boyle (Joe)
B-27. IVAN REITMAN -- Kevin Kline's (Dave), Arnold Schwargeneger (Twins?), Uma Thurman (My Super Ex-Girlfriend)
B-28. NORMAN JEWISON -- Meg Tilly (Agnes of God), Steve McQueen (The Cincinnati Kid), Denzel Washington (The Hurricane)
B-29. COEN BROTHERS -- David Huddleston (Big Lebowski), Billy Bob Thornton (The Man Who Knew Too Much), John Turturro (Barton Fink)
B-30. OLIVER STONE -- Josh Brolin (W), Anthony Hopkins (Nixon), Colin Farrell (Alexander)

This is going great! I do need to clarify something, because it will louse things up later and you probably won't be able to figure out based on the information you have.

I was only considering something a title role if the title consisted only of the character reference. (Dr. Strangelove is a partial exception, since the rest of it is an alternate title.) So The Adventures of Robin Hood and The Old Man and the Sea don't count. (In one case, you can keep the actor where he is, just change the movie for another previously mentioned by someone else.)

Also remove Twins, since Ahnold played only one of the title roles. (Same reasoning behind rejecting Bonnie and Clyde for Warren Beatty.)

And there's one typo: the Coen Brothers movie is The Man Who Wasn't There, not The Man Who Knew Too Much.

[Weyoun]

Garson was in Wyler's Mrs Miniver

Modine was Birdy. Perhaps Parker directed?

Arnie was in K Cop - Reitman directed?

Flynn is captain Blood then.

[Weyoun]

Courtenay was Schlesinger's Billy Liar.

[silverscreenselect]

Sarah Miles was Ryan's Daughter (David Lean).

[plasticene]

Modine was Birdy. Perhaps Parker directed?

Dang, I thought of Birdy for Matthew Modine, but I didn't look hard enough to see that Alan Parker was on the list. When I was in college, they had an on-campus screening of Birdy before its release, with Alan Parker and Matthew Modine in attendance. Alan Parker gave a little speech and took questions afterward.

[plasticene]

The other Woody may be himself (Sleeper)

That should also be in the consolidation.

[mellytu74]

Thank you, plasticene, for the consolidation.

I was giving TLAF a computer lesson for a couple of hours before we left the shore, so I didn't have the access I thought I would.

[franktangredi]

The other Woody may be himself (Sleeper)

That should also be in the consolidation.

I was thinking Broadway Danny Rose, but Sleeper works just as well.

[smilergrogan]

The other Woody may be himself (Sleeper)

That should also be in the consolidation.

I was thinking Broadway Danny Rose, but Sleeper works just as well.

Zelig works also.

[mellytu74]

Adding a couple....

I am betting that B-22. KAREL REISZ directed David Warner in Morgan and Vanessa Regrave in Isadora.

John Schlesinger's third is Tom Courtenay as Billy Liar.

Did Ivan Reitman direct Schwarzenegger in Junior?

Cecil B DeMille directed Claudette Colbert in Cleopatra and Fredric March in The Bucanneer.

The only title role I can think of Walter Huston is Dodsworth. I am guessing William Wyler? directed it.

Dietrich has me flummoxed because the only things I can think of -- Scarlet Empress, etc. -- were (IIRC) directed by VonSternberg.