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Re: Still glad you voted for him?

#26 Post by Bob Juch » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:26 pm

Funny, all I can find on the Net are links to pages with the American Legion's press release.

I can't find anything that quotes any statement from the White House.

Is this all a misstatement from the American Legion?
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#27 Post by Jeemie » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:56 pm

dimmzy wrote:Part of the problem is that more and more of our veterans are surviving their injuries and it's very expensive to provide a lifetime of care (which we should.) Speaking of military injuries, I still can't understand why our military is at the mercy of these roadside bombs. We can go to the moon and deliver 8 healthy babies for a mentally unstable woman, but we can't provide protection against IEDs? Doesn't ANYBODY make a bomb-proof vehicle?
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Re: Still glad you voted for him?

#28 Post by Jeemie » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:57 pm

Bob Juch wrote:Funny, all I can find on the Net are links to pages with the American Legion's press release.

I can't find anything that quotes any statement from the White House.

Is this all a misstatement from the American Legion?
No- it is real- just not "official".

That way, when Obama backs off of it (and he will), he can claim it was all a misunderstanding.
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Re: Still glad you voted for him?

#29 Post by NellyLunatic1980 » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:59 pm

In a word: Yes.

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Re: Still glad you voted for him?

#30 Post by Jeemie » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:59 pm

BigDrawMan wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote:
BigDrawMan wrote:yes

i am

I am more glad that I dint vote for a feebleminded substance abuser who failed at every thing he tried in life.

even though he had an R next to his name
Again, what does Bush have to do with this?


he asked if i was happy that i voted for obama

i am

i added that i am more happy that i dint vote for bush

shows good judgement twice
Wrong...you will exercise good judgment when you realize that you get equally screwed by an R OR a D.

You just happen to willingly accept the screwing from one of them because they whisper sweet nothings in your ear.
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Re: Still glad you voted for him?

#31 Post by trevor_macfee » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:25 pm

Bob Juch wrote:Funny, all I can find on the Net are links to pages with the American Legion's press release.

I can't find anything that quotes any statement from the White House.

Is this all a misstatement from the American Legion?
It is confirmed in this article from the online Washington Post (hardly a bastion of the right):
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

Especially in this paragraph:

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs today confirmed that the proposal remains under consideration, but he said the administration has not yet made "the final . . . decision on third-party billing as it relates to service-related injuries."

Incredibly poor proposal to even consider, both from a basic fairness perspective AND from a political perspective.

But, although I strongly disagree with this (and some other Obama proposals/beliefs), I'm still very comfortable with my vote.

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Re: Still glad you voted for him?

#32 Post by mrkelley23 » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:43 pm

Yup.

You still glad you voted for Bush?

Sorry, won't answer all the implied questions that you really meant, just the one that was asked.

Will you answer mine?
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Re: Still glad you voted for him?

#33 Post by Beebs52 » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:36 pm

Once again everybody is conflating voting for a past president/voting for the present president, rather than answering the question posed.

I find it very disheartening that the military would be the forefront of the bastardization that would be nationalized healthcare. If we're going to be sold down that particular river, at least make them wait at the end of the line and not have to assume the position, as they have while protecting our freedoms for so many years, rather than be the incremental "Psst. Here. Pay something here. Psst. Next. Pay something there."

Yeah. I'm glad I voted for Bush before. Might not have been the best bet in some of the run, but I have a bad feeling that his replacement will be a fabulous punchline at some point.
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Re: Still glad you voted for him?

#34 Post by mrkelley23 » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:49 am

Sorry, Beebs, but as I'm one of those people who hates it when others take off on a rant and never answer the question, I did answer it.

In word 1 of the post, in case you missed it.

As for conflating the other, well, all I did was ask a question of the original poster, same as he did me.
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Re: Still glad you voted for him?

#35 Post by Spock » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:17 am

silverscreenselect wrote:Bush sent troops into battle without proper body armor, and his treatment of wounded vets was pretty bad as well.

Sadly, Obama looks more and more like the third term of the Bush adminsitration with a smoother speaking style.
Apparently, those that really matter and those most knowledgeable and affected by Prsident Bush's decisions don't seem to hold that against him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHz5tevLAw

You can not fake or order enthusiasm like that.

Fist half Bush-second half Obama.

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Re: Still glad you voted for him?

#36 Post by ShamelessWeasel » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:16 am

I am still glad i voted for him

I do not agree with this policy. Hopefully it will not be enacted.

I do not expect to agree with Obama 100% of the time. But I certainly agree with him more often than not. And that is why I would vote for him again.

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#37 Post by Jeemie » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:19 am

I know I'm happy I voted for neither Obama nor McCain.

As weird as it may sound, there's a certain liberating feeling realizing that no one in government speaks for me.
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#38 Post by nitrah55 » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:26 am

So I did some digging around, and found a few more references, one of which I link below.

First, this proposal is part of a package that will increase the VA budget overall, more than what the veterans service organizations had asked for.

Second, the VA is already sending vets to their own insurance for non-combat related issues, has been for years. This is about combat-related issues.

Third, the AL's suggestion is that if the VA does this, that the costs be handled by Medicare, not private insurance. Sounds like moving the money from one pocket to another, but I'm no expert.

Do I think it's a good idea? No. But I don't think relying on private insurance for health care is a good idea, either.

Here's the link: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,186747,00.html
I am about 25% sure of this.

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Re: Still glad you voted for him?

#39 Post by Jeemie » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:35 am

nitrah55 wrote:Do I think it's a good idea? No. But I don't think relying on private insurance for health care is a good idea, either.
I'm in complete agreement with this!
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#40 Post by nitrah55 » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:47 am

Jeemie wrote:
nitrah55 wrote:Do I think it's a good idea? No. But I don't think relying on private insurance for health care is a good idea, either.
I'm in complete agreement with this!
Ok, let's you and me sing Kum by Yah.
I am about 25% sure of this.

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#41 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:54 am

Jeemie wrote:I know I'm happy I voted for neither Obama nor McCain.

As weird as it may sound, there's a certain liberating feeling realizing that no one in government speaks for me.
Although if there were a viable third party choice who actually had a chance to win, I would gladly have voted for him or her, I felt that for my vote to mean anything, I had to vote for Obama or McCain.

Everything misgiving I had about Obama is coming true, some quickly, others gradually, so I don't regret my vote. He's done a few things I agreed with, as any Democrat would, just as McCain would have done those things differently. I have no doubt McCain would have been an honorable President trying to move the country in the right direction. Obama is still a slippery inexperienced lightweight chameleon. I have the sad feeling that we're in another version of 1857, a time when a strong President is desperately needed, but we are, instead, getting one of our worst.
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#42 Post by BackInTex » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:22 pm

Bob Juch wrote:The government paying for health care? Sounds like socialism to me!
Uh, no, it is the employer paying for the health care.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference. Anything Obama.
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#43 Post by Estonut » Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:28 pm

nitrah55 wrote:Ok, let's you and me sing Kum by Yah.
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#44 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:45 pm

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#45 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:11 am

And that's why I'm glad I voted for him. I don't mind a President who thinks about implementing ideas that turn out to be bad ones, as long as he proves himself capable of hearing and understanding the feedback. --Bob
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#46 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:14 am

Bob78164 wrote:
And that's why I'm glad I voted for him. I don't mind a President who thinks about implementing ideas that turn out to be bad ones, as long as he proves himself capable of hearing and understanding the feedback. --Bob
Like when he thought about allowing AIG to pay out all those bonuses and when he was "capapble of hearing and understanding the feedback," he changed his mind.

Except, doggonneit, they actually authorized those darned bonuses in the stimulus bill.

So if the press (not likely), the public (only slightly more likely), or the Republicans (more likely but still far from a sure thing) don't catch him on any of his half baked, poorly thought out ridiculous ideas, he'll go ahead and implement them.

That's change we can believe in.
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#47 Post by Jeemie » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:40 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
Jeemie wrote:I know I'm happy I voted for neither Obama nor McCain.

As weird as it may sound, there's a certain liberating feeling realizing that no one in government speaks for me.
Although if there were a viable third party choice who actually had a chance to win, I would gladly have voted for him or her, I felt that for my vote to mean anything, I had to vote for Obama or McCain.

Everything misgiving I had about Obama is coming true, some quickly, others gradually, so I don't regret my vote. He's done a few things I agreed with, as any Democrat would, just as McCain would have done those things differently. I have no doubt McCain would have been an honorable President trying to move the country in the right direction. Obama is still a slippery inexperienced lightweight chameleon. I have the sad feeling that we're in another version of 1857, a time when a strong President is desperately needed, but we are, instead, getting one of our worst.
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#48 Post by Jeemie » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:42 am

silverscreenselect wrote:So if the press (not likely), the public (only slightly more likely), or the Republicans (more likely but still far from a sure thing) don't catch him on any of his half baked, poorly thought out ridiculous ideas, he'll go ahead and implement them.

That's change we can believe in.
Sounds a lot like how government's been run the last 20-30 years.
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#49 Post by wintergreen48 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:17 am

Bob78164 wrote:
And that's why I'm glad I voted for him. I don't mind a President who thinks about implementing ideas that turn out to be bad ones, as long as he proves himself capable of hearing and understanding the feedback. --Bob

Leadership: float an idea, and if enough people like whatever it is, you put it into place, and if people do not like it, you drop it and pretend it never happened; in short, only do things that everyone agrees with.
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Re: Still glad you voted for him?

#50 Post by Jeemie » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:18 am

wintergreen48 wrote:Leadership: float an idea, and if enough people like whatever it is, you put it into place, and if people do not like it, you drop it and pretend it never happened; in short, only do things that everyone agrees with.
This is why we have the government we do.

Imagine if our leadership back in 1775 had done that- considering that by most accepted estimates (or maybe that's our common mythology), 1/3 of the people wanted revolution, 1/3 were Loyalists, and 1/3 didn't give a crap.
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