New GroganGame: Films Not Starring Jerzy Trela

[smilergrogan]

Googling confirms that John Terry, who plays Jack's father Christian Shephard from "Lost", is the other answer. I won't spoil any more; someone will know what movie he was in.

Oops. He didn't seem to have a very big role in the film (I haven't seen it) based on his position on the IMDB cast list, so I wouldn't have used him even if I had noticed him.

[plasticene]

Googling confirms that John Terry, who plays Jack's father Christian Shephard from "Lost", is the other answer. I won't spoil any more; someone will know what movie he was in.

Oops. He didn't seem to have a very big role in the film (I haven't seen it) based on his position on the IMDB cast list, so I wouldn't have used him even if I had noticed him.

That's not the film I was thinking of either. I thought his war movie was bound to be the answer to the remaining question from list B, even though I couldn't confirm that it had a scene like the one you described. I won't say what movie I mean, just in case it turns out to be the right answer, but meant for a different actor.

[smilergrogan]

That's not the film I was thinking of either. I thought his war movie was bound to be the answer to the remaining question from list B, even though I couldn't confirm that it had a scene like the one you described. I won't say what movie I mean, just in case it turns out to be the right answer, but meant for a different actor.

No, that's not the right movie. I didn't remember John Terry from that film. He must have looked a lot younger.

[franktangredi]

A few more before I leave:

Blythe Danner ("Meet the Parents") played Will's mother on "W&G".

Dick Shawn ("The Producers") played Jack's father on "Three's Company".

Bob Balaban ("2010") played Phoebe's father on "Friends".

Blythe Danner was also in 1776, and Bob Balaban was also in Midnight Cowboy. I guess it doesn't matter which we use for them.

[franktangredi]

A few more before I leave:

Blythe Danner ("Meet the Parents") played Will's mother on "W&G".

Dick Shawn ("The Producers") played Jack's father on "Three's Company".

Bob Balaban ("2010") played Phoebe's father on "Friends".

I remember that the father of the Suzanne Somers character on Three's Company was a minister. Anybody remember who played him?

[franktangredi]

Here are some of our unmatched B movies. Any notion of whether these actors played parents on some of the series?


B9. The Running Man
Richard Dawson?

B11. Dangerous Liaisons
Mildren Natwick?

B14. Midnight Cowboy
Barnard Hughes? Brenda Vaccaro? John McGiver?

B19. For my money, one of the most memorable movie war scenes is the one in this film showing a young soldier weeping while firing and reloading his rifle

B20. Matewan
B21. Reservoir Dogs
Lawrence Tierney?

B24. Victor/Victoria
Lesley Anne Warren? John Rhys-Davies?

B25. Cape Fear
Polly Bergen? Jack Khruschen?

B41. Paper Moon
John Hillerman?

B43. Volunteers
B49. Alfie
(Since we know Smiler didn't put it here for Shelley Winters. Everybody else in the movie is British. Did Daphne have a mother on Frasier to go with her father?)

[Rexer25]

Brenda Vaccaro played Joey's mother on Friends

[smilergrogan]

A few more before I leave:

Blythe Danner ("Meet the Parents") played Will's mother on "W&G".

Dick Shawn ("The Producers") played Jack's father on "Three's Company".

Bob Balaban ("2010") played Phoebe's father on "Friends".

Blythe Danner was also in 1776, and Bob Balaban was also in Midnight Cowboy. I guess it doesn't matter which we use for them.

Well, you have to use all the movies in list B. I don't think I used any film in which the desired actor did not play one of the top six or seven roles in the film (usually judging by how they are listed on IMDB, although for some films I notice they are not listed in order of importance for some reason). I decided against using American Graffiti for Suzanne Somers, for example.

[plasticene]

Since we haven't used "Best in Show" yet, it's another possibility for Bob Balaban. Do we have another candidate from "2010'?

[franktangredi]

Since we haven't used "Best in Show" yet, it's another possibility for Bob Balaban. Do we have another candidate from "2010'?

We did use Best in Show for Fred Willard.

[franktangredi]

Okay, we seem to have exhausted what we know, so I cracked into IMDB.

On Desperate Housewives, Polly Bergen (B25. Cape Fear) played Felicity Huffman’s mother; Maria Conchita Alonso (B9. The Running Man) played Eva Longoria’s Mother; and Lesley Ann Warren (B24. Victor/Victoria) played Teri Hatcher’s mother.

Millicent Martin (B49. Alfie) played Daphne’s mother on Frasier.

George Plimpton (B43. Volunteers) played Carter’s father on E.R.

Kevin Tighe (B20. Matewan) and Swoosie Kurtz (B11. Dangerous Liaisons) played the parents of Terry O’Quinn on Lost.

We still haven’t matched the following:
B21. Reservoir Dogs
B41. Paper Moon

And we still haven’t identified this:
B19. For my money, one of the most memorable movie war scenes is the one in this film showing a young soldier weeping while firing and reloading his rifle

UPDATED CONSOLIDATION

ER
Anthony Edwards (A26. Revenge Of The Nerds) and John Leguizamo (A1. The Happening)
Parents: Paul Dooley (B27. Breaking Away); Sally Field (B39. Forrest Gump); John Cullum (B38. 1776); Michael Gross (B17. Tremors); George Plimpton (B43. Volunteers)

EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND
Ray Romano (A24. Ice Age) and Brad Garrett (A36. Finding Nemo)
Parents: Peter Boyle (B2. Young Frankenstein); Doris Roberts (B23. The Taking Of Pelham One Two Three); Katharine Helmond (B5. Brazil); Robert Culp (B26. Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice); Fred Willard (B29. Best In Show)

TAXI
Judd Hirsch (A4. Ordinary People) and Danny DeVito (A16. Ruthless People)
Parents: Jack Gilford (B46. A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum); Victor Buono (B8. Whatever Happened To Baby Jane)

BEWITCHED
Elizabeth Montgomery (A28. The Court Martial Of Billy Mitchell) and Dick York (A21. Inherit The Wind)
Parents: Agnes Moorehead (B22. Johnny Belinda); Maurice Evans (B30. Planet Of The Apes)

SEINFELD
Michael Richards (A39. Unstrung Heroes) and Jason Alexander (A38. Shallow Hal)
Parents: Jerry Stiller (B23 The Taking Of Pelham One Two Three)

HOME IMPROVEMENT
Tim Allen (A9. Galaxy Quest) and Jonathan Taylor Thomas (A33. Tom and Huck)
Parents: M. Emmet Walsh (B35. The Jerk); Polly Holliday (B6. Gremlins)

LOST
Naveen Andrews (A15. The English Patient) and Dominic Monaghan (A32. The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring)
Parents: Cheech Marin (B18. Up In Smoke); Kevin Tighe (B20. Matewan); Swoosie Kurtz (B11. Dangerous Liaisons)

THE BOB NEWHART SHOW
Bob Newhart (A23. Catch-22) and Suzanne Pleshette (A7. The Birds)
Parents: John Randolph (B7. Prizzi's Honor); Martha Scott (B42. Our Town)

MAD ABOUT YOU
Paul Reiser (A6. Diner) and Helen Hunt (A11. As Good As It Gets)
Parents: Carroll O’Connor (B40. Kelly's Heroes); Carol Burnett (B15. Annie)

FRASIER
David Hyde Pierce (A13. Nixon) and Jane Leeves (A8. James And The Giant Peach)
Parents: John Mahoney (B48. Eight Men Out); Brian Cox (B44. Zodiac); Eva Marie Saint (B4. On The Waterfront); Millicent Martin (B49. Alfie)

CHEERS
Shelley Long (A25. The Brady Bunch Movie) and Woody Harrelson (A14. The People Vs Larry Flynt)
Parents: Frances Sternhagen (B31. Misery); Robert Prosky (B1. Broadcast News)

THREE’S COMPANY
John Ritter (A19. Sling Blade) and Don Knotts (A30. It's A Mad Mad Mad Mad World)
Parents: Dick Shawn (B45. The Producers)

DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES
Teri Hatcher (A12. Tomorrow Never Dies) and Kyle MacLachlan (A27. Blue Velvet)
Parents: Polly Bergen (B25. Cape Fear); Maria Conchita Alonso (B9. The Running Man); Lesley Ann Warren (B24. Victor/Victoria)

WILL & GRACE
Debra Messing (A18. The Wedding Date) and Megan Mullally (A2. Stealing Harvard)
Parents: Debbie Reynolds (B47. Singin' In The Rain); Sydney Pollack (B16. Michael Clayton); Blythe Danner (B33. Meet The Parents)

THE SOPRANOS
James Gandolfini (A3. The Man Who Wasn't There) and Lorraine Bracco (A34. Goodfellas)
Parents: Joseph Siravo (B13. Carlito's Way); Nancy Marchand (B36. The Naked Gun: From The Files Of Police Squad)

FRIENDS
Courteney Cox (A17. Scream) and David Schwimmer (A29. Six Days, Seven Nights)
Parents: Elliott Gould (B26. Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice); Bob Balaban (B28. 2010: Odyssey Two); Terri Garr (B2. Young Frankenstein); Brenda Vaccaro (B14. Midnight Cowboy)

ROSEANNE
John Goodman (A22. The Big Lebowski) and Laurie Metcalf (A35. Desperately Seeking Susan)
Parents: Estelle Parsons (B12. Bonnie And Clyde); Shelley Winters (B49. Alfie); Ned Beatty (B10. Deliverance)

THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW"
Mary Tyler Moore (A4. Ordinary People) and Edward Asner (A31. JFK)
Parents: Nanette Fabray (B50. The Band Wagon); Harold Gould (B3. The Sting); Nancy Walker (B32. Murder By Death)

MALCOLM IN THE MIDDLE
Frankie Muniz (A5. My Dog Skip) and Kenneth Mars (A10. What's Up, Doc?)
Parents: Cloris Leachman (B2. Young Frankenstein)

MURPHY BROWN
Candice Bergen (A37. Carnal Knowledge) and Lily Tomlin (A20. Nashville)
Parents: Colleen Dewhurst (B34. Annie Hall); Darren McGavin (B37. A Christmas Story)

List B
*B1. Broadcast News
***B2. Young Frankenstein
*B3. The Sting
*B4. On The Waterfront
*B5. Brazil
*B6. Gremlins
*B7. Prizzi's Honor
*B8. Whatever Happened To Baby Jane
*B9. The Running Man
*B10. Deliverance
*B11. Dangerous Liaisons
*B12. Bonnie And Clyde
*B13. Carlito's Way
*B14. Midnight Cowboy
*B15. Annie
*B16. Michael Clayton
*B17. Tremors
*B18. Up In Smoke
B19. For my money, one of the most memorable movie war scenes is the one in this film showing a young soldier weeping while firing and reloading his rifle
*B20. Matewan
B21. Reservoir Dogs
*B22. Johnny Belinda
**B23. The Taking Of Pelham One Two Three
*B24. Victor/Victoria
*B25. Cape Fear
**B26. Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice
*B27. Breaking Away
*B28. 2010: Odyssey Two
*B29. Best In Show
*B30. Planet Of The Apes
*B31. Misery
*B32. Murder By Death
*B33. Meet The Parents
*B34. Annie Hall
*B35. The Jerk
*B36. The Naked Gun: From The Files Of Police Squad
*B37. A Christmas Story
*B38. 1776
*B39. Forrest Gump
*B40. Kelly's Heroes
B41. Paper Moon
*B42. Our Town
*B43. Volunteers
*B44. Zodiac
*B45. The Producers
*B46. A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum
*B47. Singin' In The Rain
*B48. Eight Men Out
**B49. Alfie
*B50. The Band Wagon

[mrkelley23]

Ryan O'Neal (Paper Moon) played Whatever-his-name Scavo's father on Desperate Housewives.

If the unidentified movie could be "All Quiet on the Western Front," which I've never seen, but have read and could definitely see having a scene like the one described, the Lew Ayres might fit for the guest appearance he made on Mary Tyler Moore as Murray's father (who takes Mar on a date.)

Reservoir Dogs is a stumper to me. Steve Buscemi had kids on the show, but as far as I can tell, they haven't done much else in movies or TV.

[smilergrogan]

You've managed to come up with two matches I didn't know about but which still work (three counting Shelley Winters). I didn't know about George Plimpton. Volunteers is there for another person, but the TV show for that match already has more than two parents so you don't need it to complete the puzzle. I didn't know about Lew Ayres either, and although All Quiet on the Western Front is not the right movie, he could still work using Johnny Belinda.

The last movie had big time stars, director and several Oscar nominations. Like I said, the reason the young soldier is crying is at the heart of the film.

It looks like you still need at least one parent for Seinfeld, Three's Company, and Malcolm in the Middle.

[franktangredi]

You've managed to come up with two matches I didn't know about but which still work (three counting Shelley Winters). I didn't know about George Plimpton. Volunteers is there for another person, but the TV show for that match already has more than two parents so you don't need it to complete the puzzle. I didn't know about Lew Ayres either, and although All Quiet on the Western Front is not the right movie, he could still work using Johnny Belinda.

The last movie had big time stars, director and several Oscar nominations. Like I said, the reason the young soldier is crying is at the heart of the film.

It looks like you still need at least one parent for Seinfeld, Three's Company, and Malcolm in the Middle.

Aha! Lawrence Tierney of Reservoir Dogs played Elaine's father on Seinfeld!

I found the actor who played Chrissy's father on Three's Company (Peter Mark Richman), but he doesn't seem to fit any of the movies.

And, interestingly, the actor who played Janet's father had a tiny role in Deliverance!

[NellyLunatic1980]

John Randolph of "Prizzi's Honor" played George Costanza's father before Jerry Stiller.

Barney Martin of "The Producers" played Jerry Seinfeld's father.

Robert Loggia of "Prizzi's Honor" played Lois' father and Cloris Leachman's husband on "Malcolm".

[smilergrogan]

Aha! Lawrence Tierney of Reservoir Dogs played Elaine's father on Seinfeld!

I found the actor who played Chrissy's father on Three's Company (Peter Mark Richman), but he doesn't seem to fit any of the movies.

He had a significant role in one movie!

And, interestingly, the actor who played Janet's father had a tiny role in Deliverance!

That's four inadvertent matches (and we can throw in John Terry from Zodiac as five)

John Randolph of "Prizzi's Honor" played George Costanza's father before Jerry Stiller.

Barney Martin of "The Producers" played Jerry Seinfeld's father.

Six and seven inadvertent matches! John Randolph also played Roseanne and Jackie's father.

Robert Loggia of "Prizzi's Honor" played Lois' father and Cloris Leachman's husband on "Malcolm".

[franktangredi]

Aha! Lawrence Tierney of Reservoir Dogs played Elaine's father on Seinfeld!

I found the actor who played Chrissy's father on Three's Company (Peter Mark Richman), but he doesn't seem to fit any of the movies.

He had a significant role in one movie!

Jeez, I went through his credits three times, and missed the earliest one. He was in Friendly Persuasion -- and a Quaker would certainly cry when loading a rifle!

[franktangredi]

Technically, we have fulfilled all the requirements for the game to be finished, although we haven't figured out who Smiler actually had in mind from Volunteers (and I'm damned if I can figure it out.)

ER
Anthony Edwards (A26. Revenge Of The Nerds) and John Leguizamo (A1. The Happening)
Parents: Paul Dooley (B27. Breaking Away); Sally Field (B39. Forrest Gump); John Cullum (B38. 1776); Michael Gross (B17. Tremors); George Plimpton (B43. Volunteers)

EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND
Ray Romano (A24. Ice Age) and Brad Garrett (A36. Finding Nemo)
Parents: Peter Boyle (B2. Young Frankenstein); Doris Roberts (B23. The Taking Of Pelham One Two Three); Katharine Helmond (B5. Brazil); Robert Culp (B26. Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice); Fred Willard (B29. Best In Show)

TAXI
Judd Hirsch (A4. Ordinary People) and Danny DeVito (A16. Ruthless People)
Parents: Jack Gilford (B46. A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum); Victor Buono (B8. Whatever Happened To Baby Jane)

BEWITCHED
Elizabeth Montgomery (A28. The Court Martial Of Billy Mitchell) and Dick York (A21. Inherit The Wind)
Parents: Agnes Moorehead (B22. Johnny Belinda); Maurice Evans (B30. Planet Of The Apes)

SEINFELD
Michael Richards (A39. Unstrung Heroes) and Jason Alexander (A38. Shallow Hal)
Parents: Jerry Stiller (B23 The Taking Of Pelham One Two Three); Lawrence Tierney (B21. Reservoir Dogs)

HOME IMPROVEMENT
Tim Allen (A9. Galaxy Quest) and Jonathan Taylor Thomas (A33. Tom and Huck)
Parents: M. Emmet Walsh (B35. The Jerk); Polly Holliday (B6. Gremlins)

LOST
Naveen Andrews (A15. The English Patient) and Dominic Monaghan (A32. The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring)
Parents: Cheech Marin (B18. Up In Smoke); Kevin Tighe (B20. Matewan); Swoosie Kurtz (B11. Dangerous Liaisons)

THE BOB NEWHART SHOW
Bob Newhart (A23. Catch-22) and Suzanne Pleshette (A7. The Birds)
Parents: John Randolph (B7. Prizzi's Honor); Martha Scott (B42. Our Town)

MAD ABOUT YOU
Paul Reiser (A6. Diner) and Helen Hunt (A11. As Good As It Gets)
Parents: Carroll O’Connor (B40. Kelly's Heroes); Carol Burnett (B15. Annie)

FRASIER
David Hyde Pierce (A13. Nixon) and Jane Leeves (A8. James And The Giant Peach)
Parents: John Mahoney (B48. Eight Men Out); Brian Cox (B44. Zodiac); Eva Marie Saint (B4. On The Waterfront); Millicent Martin (B49. Alfie)

CHEERS
Shelley Long (A25. The Brady Bunch Movie) and Woody Harrelson (A14. The People Vs Larry Flynt)
Parents: Frances Sternhagen (B31. Misery); Robert Prosky (B1. Broadcast News)

THREE’S COMPANY
John Ritter (A19. Sling Blade) and Don Knotts (A30. It's A Mad Mad Mad Mad World)
Parents: Dick Shawn (B45. The Producers); Peter Mark Richman (B19. Friendly Persuasion)

DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES
Teri Hatcher (A12. Tomorrow Never Dies) and Kyle MacLachlan (A27. Blue Velvet)
Parents: Polly Bergen (B25. Cape Fear); Maria Conchita Alonso (B9. The Running Man); Lesley Ann Warren (B24. Victor/Victoria); Ryan O’Neal (B41. Paper Moon)

WILL & GRACE
Debra Messing (A18. The Wedding Date) and Megan Mullally (A2. Stealing Harvard)
Parents: Debbie Reynolds (B47. Singin' In The Rain); Sydney Pollack (B16. Michael Clayton); Blythe Danner (B33. Meet The Parents)

THE SOPRANOS
James Gandolfini (A3. The Man Who Wasn't There) and Lorraine Bracco (A34. Goodfellas)
Parents: Joseph Siravo (B13. Carlito's Way); Nancy Marchand (B36. The Naked Gun: From The Files Of Police Squad)

FRIENDS
Courteney Cox (A17. Scream) and David Schwimmer (A29. Six Days, Seven Nights)
Parents: Elliott Gould (B26. Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice); Bob Balaban (B28. 2010: Odyssey Two); Terri Garr (B2. Young Frankenstein); Brenda Vaccaro (B14. Midnight Cowboy)

ROSEANNE
John Goodman (A22. The Big Lebowski) and Laurie Metcalf (A35. Desperately Seeking Susan)
Parents: Estelle Parsons (B12. Bonnie And Clyde); Shelley Winters (B49. Alfie); Ned Beatty (B10. Deliverance)

THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW"
Mary Tyler Moore (A4. Ordinary People) and Edward Asner (A31. JFK)
Parents: Nanette Fabray (B50. The Band Wagon); Harold Gould (B3. The Sting); Nancy Walker (B32. Murder By Death)

MALCOLM IN THE MIDDLE
Frankie Muniz (A5. My Dog Skip) and Kenneth Mars (A10. What's Up, Doc?)
Parents: Cloris Leachman (B2. Young Frankenstein); Robert Loggia (B7. Prizzi's Honor)

MURPHY BROWN
Candice Bergen (A37. Carnal Knowledge) and Lily Tomlin (A20. Nashville)
Parents: Colleen Dewhurst (B34. Annie Hall); Darren McGavin (B37. A Christmas Story)

List B
*B1. Broadcast News
***B2. Young Frankenstein
*B3. The Sting
*B4. On The Waterfront
*B5. Brazil
*B6. Gremlins
**B7. Prizzi's Honor
*B8. Whatever Happened To Baby Jane
*B9. The Running Man
*B10. Deliverance
*B11. Dangerous Liaisons
*B12. Bonnie And Clyde
*B13. Carlito's Way
*B14. Midnight Cowboy
*B15. Annie
*B16. Michael Clayton
*B17. Tremors
*B18. Up In Smoke
*B19. Friendly Persuasion
*B20. Matewan
*B21. Reservoir Dogs
*B22. Johnny Belinda
**B23. The Taking Of Pelham One Two Three
*B24. Victor/Victoria
*B25. Cape Fear
**B26. Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice
*B27. Breaking Away
*B28. 2010: Odyssey Two
*B29. Best In Show
*B30. Planet Of The Apes
*B31. Misery
*B32. Murder By Death
*B33. Meet The Parents
*B34. Annie Hall
*B35. The Jerk
*B36. The Naked Gun: From The Files Of Police Squad
*B37. A Christmas Story
*B38. 1776
*B39. Forrest Gump
*B40. Kelly's Heroes
*B41. Paper Moon
*B42. Our Town
*B43. Volunteers
*B44. Zodiac
*B45. The Producers
*B46. A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum
*B47. Singin' In The Rain
*B48. Eight Men Out
**B49. Alfie
*B50. The Band Wagon

[smilergrogan]

Here are the other matches I had in mind:

Mary McDonnell (Matewan) played Dr. Carter's mother on ER
Barnard Hughes (Midnight Cowboy) played Bob's father on The Bob Newhart Show
Rita Wilson (Volunteers) played Frasier and Niles' mother (in a flashback) on Frasier
Nancy Marchand (Naked Gun) played Frasier's mother on Cheers
Kathleen Turner (Prizzi's Honor) played Chandler's female impersonator father on Friends
Christopher Lloyd (Eight Men Out) played Hal's father on Malcolm in the Middle

All those character actors sure make for a lot of possibilities!

(Oh, and the one movie with special significance to the Tangredi should be obvious now.)

[franktangredi]

Here are the other matches I had in mind:

Mary McDonnell (Matewan) played Dr. Carter's mother on ER
Barnard Hughes (Midnight Cowboy) played Bob's father on The Bob Newhart Show
Rita Wilson (Volunteers) played Frasier and Niles' mother (in a flashback) on Frasier
Nancy Marchand (Naked Gun) played Frasier's mother on Cheers
Kathleen Turner (Prizzi's Honor) played Chandler's female impersonator father on Friends
Christopher Lloyd (Eight Men Out) played Hal's father on Malcolm in the Middle

All those character actors sure make for a lot of possibilities!

(Oh, and the one movie with special significance to the Tangredi should be obvious now.)

MEET THE PARENTS, of course.

[NellyLunatic1980]

Here are the other matches I had in mind:

Mary McDonnell (Matewan) played Dr. Carter's mother on ER
Barnard Hughes (Midnight Cowboy) played Bob's father on The Bob Newhart Show
Rita Wilson (Volunteers) played Frasier and Niles' mother (in a flashback) on Frasier
Nancy Marchand (Naked Gun) played Frasier's mother on Cheers
Kathleen Turner (Prizzi's Honor) played Chandler's female impersonator father on Friends
Christopher Lloyd (Eight Men Out) played Hal's father on Malcolm in the Middle

All those character actors sure make for a lot of possibilities!

(Oh, and the one movie with special significance to the Tangredi should be obvious now.)

MEET THE PARENTS, of course.

Of course! I can't believe we didn't catch that one earlier!

Excellent job once again, everybody!