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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#76 Post by Evil Squirrel » Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:57 am

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littlebeast13 wrote:lb's List of Stuff

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And not one of those instances involves changing or deleting peoples' text, so I really don't understand the big whoop.

I'll take expediency and clarity over asking people to fix a quote tag next time they happen to drop by.

Plus, it might be wrong, but I think that Administrators should be able to perform functions beyond just 'clean up' because, if you can't trust them, then what are you doing on this board in the first place?

Heck, I don't even trust LB! Why do you think I want my own laptop?
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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#77 Post by Jeemie » Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:58 am

Evil Squirrel wrote:Heck, I don't even trust LB! Why do you think I want my own laptop?
I thought it was because he bought a cheap one from Wal-Mart, and you've filled up the memory with all your pictures already.
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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#78 Post by SportsFan68 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:24 am

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a1mamacat wrote:One thing I would know.


Of the listed moderators, how many have actually utilized the mod powers to edit others posts, and how often. It would appear that only a select group seem to feel the need to edit.

Please note I do not refer to the deletion of obvious spam.

I have used the edit function on other people's posts for the following reasons:

1. To sticky and unsticky threads. I would assume there is no argument or gripe here about this, even though it still requires the edit function to perform....

2. To spoilerize game answers when the answerer either forgets or messes up an html tag. Pea said this is no big deal, but she has never run a game before on this Bored that I know of, and the one time I had a game answer deliberately spoiled (way back in the prehistoric days when teebee haunted the Bored), I was quite hot about it. I think there is an unwritten Bored code that certain things on this Bored should be put in spoilers (or, as in the past before we had the option, contained in a spoiler warning or containing spoiler space in the post). And of course this is the crux of the issue that has brought this up in the first place. If you believe adding a spoiler to something is censorship, then I'll never be able to rationalize the practice that Bob ( or I for game posts) have done, so there isn't much point wasting any typing on it....

3. To fix broken quote tags, which lead to sometimes indecipherable posts, and lead to even more indecipherable stuff if the broken code gets repeated in ensuing replies....

4. To fix links to images people have posted. As I explained last night, on one occasion, I saw the problem in why Appa's pictures he was trying to post were not posting, and without wasting the time to ask, I went ahead and fixed the link for him since people come and go from the Bored throughout the day, and waiting for confirmation on an obvious case like that is silly and pointless...

5. There are occasions where I have accidentally edited another post because the quote button is right next to the edit button, and sometimes, clicking on one brings up the other's screen. I am not the only moderator who has had this happen to them, and when I realize the error when the post comes up, I re-edit the post to restore what was originally there....


And that's it....

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Plus, it might be wrong, but I think that Administrators should be able to perform functions beyond just 'clean up' because, if you can't trust them, then what are you doing on this board in the first place?
I think that Fan brought up the most important aspect of all this. I don't have a problem with anything you do, LB. I trust you with my avatar, my IP address, and anything else. I trust you to act within the precepts outlined above.

I do not trust ModeratorBob####. The first time he used his moderator powers, there was no justification other than he wanted to bring something into line with his own personal worldview and philosophy. And now, he brings up a stack of stuff about how he is protecting our workplace environment, which I believe if that were put to a poll, it would quickly get consensus that this is our personal responsibility, a much-cherished notion around here. I do not trust Bob because I agree with Fan in the other thread -- nothing will stop Bob from doing what he wants to do in accordance with his own personal worldview and philosophy. I have no quarrel with that EXCEPT that as a moderator, he has the power to impose that on us, he has done so, and he has given every indication that he will continue to do so.

Maybe the current case doesn't cross the line; I trust LB, and he says it doesn't, so I'm willing to accept it. In Bob's first case, he clearly did cross a line. We objected. He didn't change. That makes me think he won't change, especially since he's bringing in a stack of non-relevant workplace stuff to justify similar behavior. No one's day, week, month, or year would have been wrecked if Bob### hadn't acted. I would rather have something which normally would be spoilerized go unspoilerized than have someone I don't trust using his power to make changes.
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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#79 Post by MarleysGh0st » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:45 am

SportsFan68 wrote: And now, he brings up a stack of stuff about how he is protecting our workplace environment, which I believe if that were put to a poll, it would quickly get consensus that this is our personal responsibility, a much-cherished notion around here.
<sigh>

He mentioned this as a theoretical example of an extreme case that might justify moderation, in line with the second choice of the poll, "Maybe, depends on the content". Now, yes, we each take personal responsibility if we read the Bored at work, but we do so knowing that this is not one of those sites that should trigger alarms with the web filters.

Now, suppose, strictly theoretically, someone was to unexpectedly post something that was not only inappropriate and offensive but illegal, something for which the mere "possession" in a web cache could bring serious consequences. How is it each of our personal responsibilities to prevent that downloading, if we have no reasonable expectation of encountering such content here? Why would it be wrong for a moderator to delete that, preemptively, instead?

Yes, this is an unlikely, extreme example and doesn't have much bearing on the current incident. But you're bringing it up in your objections.
SportsFan68 wrote: No one's day, week, month, or year would have been wrecked if Bob### hadn't acted. I would rather have something which normally would be spoilerized go unspoilerized than have someone I don't trust using his power to make changes.
Obviously, there's still disagreement on this incident. But why is one side being trivialized while the other side is being promoted as an absolute, the equivalent of a Bored constitutional right?

Bob changed the header of a post and surrounded the text of that post--without deleting or changing any of that text--with a spoiler box. No one's day, week, month, or year was wrecked by Bob's action.

Can we have some perspective on both sides of this debate, please?

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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#80 Post by minimetoo26 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:51 am

It seems the problem has turned from "I don't like moderating" to "I don't like Bob" to me.

IMO.

Clearly.
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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#81 Post by Jeemie » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:55 am

minimetoo26 wrote:It seems the problem has turned from "I don't like moderating" to "I don't like Bob" to me.

IMO.

Clearly.
Yes- this is the discussion that SHOULD have been had in the first place.

Although it's "I don't like Bob as a moderator", to be more precise.
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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#82 Post by SportsFan68 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:02 am

minimetoo26 wrote:It seems the problem has turned from "I don't like moderating" to "I don't like Bob" to me.

IMO.

Clearly.
i like Bob, very much. I can cite numerous examples and references if that would be helpful. I align with his worldview much of the time. I don't trust him with his moderator powers. That doesn't mean I don't like him, because I do.
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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#83 Post by a1mamacat » Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:09 am

minimetoo26 wrote:It seems the problem has turned from "I don't like moderating" to "I don't like Bob" to me.

IMO.

Clearly.
Cleary you are mistaken, IMHO

It seems to be more " I don't like the way Bob moderates"
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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#84 Post by sunflower » Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:16 am

MarleysGh0st wrote:
SportsFan68 wrote: And now, he brings up a stack of stuff about how he is protecting our workplace environment, which I believe if that were put to a poll, it would quickly get consensus that this is our personal responsibility, a much-cherished notion around here.
<sigh>

He mentioned this as a theoretical example of an extreme case that might justify moderation, in line with the second choice of the poll, "Maybe, depends on the content". Now, yes, we each take personal responsibility if we read the Bored at work, but we do so knowing that this is not one of those sites that should trigger alarms with the web filters.

Now, suppose, strictly theoretically, someone was to unexpectedly post something that was not only inappropriate and offensive but illegal, something for which the mere "possession" in a web cache could bring serious consequences. How is it each of our personal responsibilities to prevent that downloading, if we have no reasonable expectation of encountering such content here? Why would it be wrong for a moderator to delete that, preemptively, instead?

Yes, this is an unlikely, extreme example and doesn't have much bearing on the current incident. But you're bringing it up in your objections.
SportsFan68 wrote: No one's day, week, month, or year would have been wrecked if Bob### hadn't acted. I would rather have something which normally would be spoilerized go unspoilerized than have someone I don't trust using his power to make changes.
Obviously, there's still disagreement on this incident. But why is one side being trivialized while the other side is being promoted as an absolute, the equivalent of a Bored constitutional right?

Bob changed the header of a post and surrounded the text of that post--without deleting or changing any of that text--with a spoiler box. No one's day, week, month, or year was wrecked by Bob's action.

Can we have some perspective on both sides of this debate, please?
Marley, I agree with you. I can't comment on other situations that might have happened...and I won't comment on hypothetical situations that may or may not happen. But I agree that the changes made here did not ruin my day. I also think (and I believe this was mentioned on one of the first couple of pages, I just don't want to read through everything again) that if it wasn't spoilerized, there would have been different backlash. Although, then I guess Bob would not be the target...poor Bob, probably wishes he never tried to do anyone a favor. No words were changed, if it were my post, I wouldn't care if someone added a spoiler, especially if they told me about it!

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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#85 Post by MarleysGh0st » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:11 pm

If I can deflect this thread from the debate about Bob's moderation back to the original subject of Millionaire Fan's post (while avoiding specific spoiler info), the situation is this: TPTB forces all SyndieBAM contestants to sign a contract promising not to reveal anything about the outcome of their game, under the threat of forfeiting all their winnings. The surprise factor of an episode is invaluable.

And yet...any time there is an exceptional performance in the Hot Seat, it is a near certainty that TPTB's publicity department will do all in their power to spoil that episode, save for revealing whether a certain question level seen is actually answered correctly or not.

It's all TPTB's fault.

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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#86 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:18 pm

SportsFan68 wrote:Maybe the current case doesn't cross the line; I trust LB, and he says it doesn't, so I'm willing to accept it. In Bob's first case, he clearly did cross a line. We objected. He didn't change.
That's not accurate. I did change. As I recall, at the time we had the discussion that I think you're recalling (a little more than a year ago), Pea acknowledged that I demonstrated the capacity for learning.

I'm pretty sure that my changes to posts since the first week or so have been even less extensive than lb's -- for exactly the reasons that have been discussed in this thread, I don't fix messed up quote tags, nor do I fix links to images. (I hasten to add that I think it's fine that lb has done so, but I haven't wanted to deal with the grief.)

Upon reflection, I can think of one instance (other than the header in this case) after the first week where I've changed text. I am willing to fix typos or obvious errors in Transcript posts. Of course, since I've been an occasional fill-in member of the Transcript Team I could do so from that log-in, but rather than go through the hassle of logging out as myself and logging in as BBTranscriptTeam, I simply use my Moderator abilities to fix it from my own ID. --Bob
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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#87 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:21 pm

sunflower wrote:Although, then I guess Bob would not be the target...poor Bob, probably wishes he never tried to do anyone a favor.
I appreciate the support, sunflower, but I'm a big boy and I do think the discussion is valuable. --Bob
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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#88 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:52 pm

SportsFan68 wrote:i like Bob, very much. I can cite numerous examples and references if that would be helpful. I align with his worldview much of the time. I don't trust him with his moderator powers. That doesn't mean I don't like him, because I do.
Thanks. I could tell, though, even without you saying so, simply from internal evidence in this thread. You tried hard to make your point without making it about me. --Bob
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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#89 Post by sunflower » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:03 pm

MarleysGh0st wrote:And yet...any time there is an exceptional performance in the Hot Seat, it is a near certainty that TPTB's publicity department will do all in their power to spoil that episode, save for revealing whether a certain question level seen is actually answered correctly or not.

It's all TPTB's fault.
I agree with that! My press photos showed me at the 25,000 question, and even though they distributed that, I still blacked it out out of fear!!!

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#90 Post by Millionaire Fan » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:16 pm

It looks like the folks over at Buzzer Blog have decided to post a little spoiler about a contestant on next weeks episode of Millionaire. Here's a link to the article.

http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/a- ... uary-17th/

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#91 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:23 pm

Millionaire Fan wrote:It looks like the folks over at Buzzer Blog have decided to post a little spoiler about a contestant on next weeks episode of Millionaire. Here's a link to the article.

http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/a- ... uary-17th/
Thanks for the heads up. For those who may be wondering, based on the name of the link (I'm blocked from the linked site at work), it doesn't appear to be a game-play spoiler. --Bob
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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#92 Post by MarleysGh0st » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:17 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Millionaire Fan wrote:It looks like the folks over at Buzzer Blog have decided to post a little spoiler about a contestant on next weeks episode of Millionaire. Here's a link to the article.

http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/a- ... uary-17th/
Thanks for the heads up. For those who may be wondering, based on the name of the link (I'm blocked from the linked site at work), it doesn't appear to be a game-play spoiler. --Bob
And may I add, based on the name of the link...

Sheesh! :roll:



P.S. to Millionaire Fan: I hope you don't feel intimidated by all the craziness of the debate that started in this thread. :)

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Re: Spoiler from the Web site

#93 Post by Millionaire Fan » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:39 pm

MarleysGh0st wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
Millionaire Fan wrote:It looks like the folks over at Buzzer Blog have decided to post a little spoiler about a contestant on next weeks episode of Millionaire. Here's a link to the article.

http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/a- ... uary-17th/
Thanks for the heads up. For those who may be wondering, based on the name of the link (I'm blocked from the linked site at work), it doesn't appear to be a game-play spoiler. --Bob
And may I add, based on the name of the link...

Sheesh! :roll:



P.S. to Millionaire Fan: I hope you don't feel intimidated by all the craziness of the debate that started in this thread. :)
I'm OK with it. I was a little overwhelmed at first. All I really wanted to do was share a little info
Spoiler
about some big winners coming up
on Millionaire.

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#94 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:48 pm

Millionaire Fan wrote:I'm OK with it. I was a little overwhelmed at first. All I really wanted to do was share a little info about
Spoiler
some big winners coming up
on Millionaire.
Dude (you're a dude, right?), this is also a spoiler. Please tag it. --Bob
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#95 Post by Millionaire Fan » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:52 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Millionaire Fan wrote:I'm OK with it. I was a little overwhelmed at first. All I really wanted to do was share a little info about
Spoiler
some big winners coming up
on Millionaire.
Dude (you're a dude, right?), this is also a spoiler. Please tag it. --Bob
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#96 Post by clem21 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:52 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Millionaire Fan wrote:I'm OK with it. I was a little overwhelmed at first. All I really wanted to do was share a little info about
Spoiler
some big winners coming up
on Millionaire.
Dude (you're a dude, right?), this is also a spoiler. Please tag it. --Bob
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#97 Post by a1mamacat » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:06 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Millionaire Fan wrote:I'm OK with it. I was a little overwhelmed at first. All I really wanted to do was share a little info about
Spoiler
some big winners coming up
on Millionaire.
Dude (you're a dude, right?), this is also a spoiler. Please tag it. --Bob
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#98 Post by DevilKitty100 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:24 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Millionaire Fan wrote:I'm OK with it. I was a little overwhelmed at first. All I really wanted to do was share a little info about
Spoiler
some big winners coming up
on Millionaire.
Dude (you're a dude, right?), this is also a spoiler. Please tag it. --Bob
OK....puzzle me this......is that really a spoiler? I mean really and truly? Because frankly, I don't feel spoiled at all. Bam has (well, you know what) coming up. That's a spoiler? To me it's nothing but minimal enticement to be even remotely interested in the show.........which I hardly ever am anymore.

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#99 Post by peacock2121 » Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:01 am

a1mamacat wrote:
minimetoo26 wrote:It seems the problem has turned from "I don't like moderating" to "I don't like Bob" to me.

IMO.

Clearly.
Cleary you are mistaken, IMHO

It seems to be more " I don't like the way Bob moderates"
I don't like the way both Bobs moderate.

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#100 Post by peacock2121 » Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:02 am

Bob78164 wrote:
sunflower wrote:Although, then I guess Bob would not be the target...poor Bob, probably wishes he never tried to do anyone a favor.
I appreciate the support, sunflower, but I'm a big boy and I do think the discussion is valuable. --Bob
I also want it to be clear, I do not dislike Bob##s.

Not one bit.

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