Blago to name senate replacement

The forum for general posting. Come join the madness. :)
Post Reply
Message
Author
User avatar
ne1410s
Posts: 2961
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:26 pm
Location: The Friendly Confines

Blago to name senate replacement

#1 Post by ne1410s » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:10 pm

Gov. Rod(according to Yahoo) has scheduled a 3 pm CST news conference to name former Illinois Attorney General, Roland Burris, to the vacant senate seat of BHO. I didn't think Burris had that kind of money.
"When you argue with a fool, there are two fools in the argument."

User avatar
peacock2121
Posts: 18451
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:58 am

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#2 Post by peacock2121 » Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:55 pm

sigh

I am so appalled that I hear myself saying "I don't care."

I do care.

That is how appalled I am.

User avatar
BigDrawMan
Posts: 2286
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:17 pm
Location: paris of the appalachians

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#3 Post by BigDrawMan » Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:41 pm

i thoought oprah would get it
I dont torture mallards all the time, but when I do, I prefer waterboarding.

-Carl the Duck

User avatar
Bob78164
Bored Moderator
Posts: 22147
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:02 pm
Location: By the phone

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#4 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:48 pm

The initial reaction of the Senate's leadership was that they wouldn't seat anyone Blagojevich appointed. If I'm reading today's stories correctly, they've modified that stance, and correctly so. The problem is that, pursuant to the Adam Clayton Powell case, the Senate can't refuse to seat someone for any reason other than a failure to satisfy the requirements of the United States Constitution. Blagojevich may be (almost certainly is) corrupt and venal, but he's still the Governor of Illinois and therefore he still has the power to make the appointment, and Burris meets the age, citizenship, and residency requirements, so he's Constitutionally eligible to take the seat.

The stories I've seen today say that the Senate Democratic Caucus won't seat him, which I understand to mean as a member of the Caucus. If I'm right, Burris will still be a Senator. But until and unless he wins a special election to fill the remainder of Obama's term he'll be a legislative pariah with no committee assignments and no influence other than his floor vote. --Bob
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

User avatar
mrkelley23
Posts: 6585
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:48 pm
Location: Somewhere between Bureaucracy and Despair

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#5 Post by mrkelley23 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:14 am

He has to be certified by the Illinois SecState first, which is far from a done deal.

Local paper was funny today, interviewing Illinois officials who were trying to find precedent for impeachment.
For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled. -- Richard Feynman

User avatar
Bob78164
Bored Moderator
Posts: 22147
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:02 pm
Location: By the phone

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#6 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:48 am

mrkelley23 wrote:He has to be certified by the Illinois SecState first, which is far from a done deal.
The story I saw in today's Los Angeles Times said that the certification, although customary, is not necessary for the appointment to be effective. My memory of the story is that the Illinois Secretary of State acknowledged this to be correct.

I don't know Illinois law, but my guess is that even if the certification were necessary, it would be a "ministerial" (rather than discretionary) act that could be compelled, if necessary, by the Illinois courts. --Bob
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

User avatar
Thousandaire
Posts: 1251
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:33 pm

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#7 Post by Thousandaire » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:22 pm

I think Blago should appoint a Senator. How does it serve Illinois' interests to not have one just because Blago (allegedly) screwed up?

And those who have abandoned the principle of presumption of innocence are just as bad as Blago.

User avatar
Beebs52
Queen of Wack
Posts: 16553
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:38 am
Location: Location.Location.Location

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#8 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:32 pm

Thousandaire wrote:I think Blago should appoint a Senator. How does it serve Illinois' interests to not have one just because Blago (allegedly) screwed up?

And those who have abandoned the principle of presumption of innocence are just as bad as Blago.

Who cares?
Well, then

User avatar
peacock2121
Posts: 18451
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:58 am

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#9 Post by peacock2121 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:37 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Thousandaire wrote:I think Blago should appoint a Senator. How does it serve Illinois' interests to not have one just because Blago (allegedly) screwed up?

And those who have abandoned the principle of presumption of innocence are just as bad as Blago.

Who cares?
Beebs, you be bad!

User avatar
Beebs52
Queen of Wack
Posts: 16553
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:38 am
Location: Location.Location.Location

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#10 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:52 pm

peacock2121 wrote:
Beebs52 wrote:
Thousandaire wrote:I think Blago should appoint a Senator. How does it serve Illinois' interests to not have one just because Blago (allegedly) screwed up?

And those who have abandoned the principle of presumption of innocence are just as bad as Blago.

Who cares?
Beebs, you be bad!
I blame Rexer.
Well, then

User avatar
peacock2121
Posts: 18451
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:58 am

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#11 Post by peacock2121 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:22 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
peacock2121 wrote:
Beebs52 wrote:
Who cares?
Beebs, you be bad!
I blame Rexer.
It costs too much money to blame him.

I blame Dubya.

That is free.

User avatar
Estonut
Evil Genius
Posts: 10495
Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:16 am
Location: Garden Grove, CA

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#12 Post by Estonut » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:19 pm

Thousandaire wrote:And those who have abandoned the principle of presumption of innocence are just as bad as Blago.
Presumption of innocence is hard to maintain when the evidence is recorded and available on the web for the world to see. Much like presumption of empathy.

User avatar
Bob78164
Bored Moderator
Posts: 22147
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:02 pm
Location: By the phone

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#13 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:03 pm

Thousandaire wrote:I think Blago should appoint a Senator. How does it serve Illinois' interests to not have one just because Blago (allegedly) screwed up?

And those who have abandoned the principle of presumption of innocence are just as bad as Blago.
This isn't a criminal trial. If you were an employer, would you agree that you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt before you can fire an employee? --Bob
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

User avatar
lilyvonschtupp26
Posts: 862
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:18 pm
Location: Chicagoland Area
Contact:

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#14 Post by lilyvonschtupp26 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:04 pm

to give you insight into the personality of Roland Burris, he's already had his tombstone inscribed with all his accomplishments, but left room for 'governor' since that was his ultimate goal. I'm sure there's room for U.S. senator instead.

http://flickr.com/photos/southbound_07/ ... 4/sizes/l/
It is not true that we have only one life to live; if we can read, we can live as many lives as we wish. -S.I. Hayakawa

User avatar
Bob78164
Bored Moderator
Posts: 22147
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:02 pm
Location: By the phone

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#15 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:17 pm

Burris has filed a Complaint for Mandamus with the Illinois Supreme Court, asking the Court to compel Secretary of State White to certify the Certificate of Appointment. As predicted, he's arguing that the certification is a ministerial act as to which Secretary White has no discretion. --Bob
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

User avatar
Dawn Clark Netsch
Merry Man
Posts: 36
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:45 pm
Location: The pool hall

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#16 Post by Dawn Clark Netsch » Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:48 pm

Any of the other 49 states want to adopt me? I have given up on the Land of Lincoln.....
Rack 'em up!

User avatar
SportsFan68
No Scritches!!!
Posts: 21300
Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:36 pm
Location: God's Country

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#17 Post by SportsFan68 » Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:13 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Thousandaire wrote:I think Blago should appoint a Senator. How does it serve Illinois' interests to not have one just because Blago (allegedly) screwed up?

And those who have abandoned the principle of presumption of innocence are just as bad as Blago.
This isn't a criminal trial. If you were an employer, would you agree that you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt before you can fire an employee? --Bob
No. In my HR life, we fired sumguy for pulling an illegal stunt on the job. I told him that we would reinstate him if his case went to trial and he got a not guilty verdict. Never happened.
-- In Iroquois society, leaders are encouraged to remember seven generations in the past and consider seven generations in the future when making decisions that affect the people.
-- America would be a better place if leaders would do more long-term thinking. -- Wilma Mankiller

User avatar
Bob78164
Bored Moderator
Posts: 22147
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:02 pm
Location: By the phone

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#18 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:32 pm

I've read the opinion of the Illinois Supreme Court denying Burris's request for a Writ of Mandamus. Although Burris technically lost, it appears to me that he actually won.

The basis for the Court's ruling is that the Secretary of State's signature is unnecessary because the Governor's signature on the letter of appointment is all that is necessary to complete the appointment process. So we have the Illinois Supreme Court ruling that the appointment is legal. Moreover, to the extent a certification from the Secretary of State is necessary to satisfy the Senate's requirements, the Court points out (on page 9 of the opinion) that anyone, by paying a $10 fee, is entitled to a sealed and certified copy of any official record of the state. The Secretary's registration of the Governor's appointment, which did happen, is such a record. Thus, Burris can get the Secretary's signature and seal, albeit not on the precise form the Senate wants.

I'm pretty sure now that Burris will end up in that seat. --Bob
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

User avatar
ne1410s
Posts: 2961
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:26 pm
Location: The Friendly Confines

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#19 Post by ne1410s » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:38 pm

I hope initials are the only thing Blago and Burris share.
"When you argue with a fool, there are two fools in the argument."

User avatar
Bob78164
Bored Moderator
Posts: 22147
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:02 pm
Location: By the phone

Re: Blago to name senate replacement

#20 Post by Bob78164 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:05 pm

Bob78164 wrote:I'm pretty sure now that Burris will end up in that seat. --Bob
It's all over but the shouting. --Bob
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

Post Reply