danielh41 wrote:I did post something about the whole Obama birth certificate controversy before the election thinking that there was a chance that it might be an "October Surprise" as had been discussed earlier on the board. When that didn't go anywhere, and when I found out more about the person who filed the suit (thanks Mel), I didn't give it any more thought. My interest was only raised now because someone I greatly admire and respect has brought a similar suit in California. And yes, I did read the petition, and there seems to be some merit to the case. Alan Keyes talked more about this on a conference call. I suspect that there will be some audio of this Nov. 18th call posted to
http://www.keyesarchives.com/audio.php by tomorrow. If you listen long enough, you will even get to hear my voice.
Daniel, Daniel, Daniel,
Are you referring to Alan Keyes as the person who you 'greatly admire and respect'? I, for one, have difficulty admiring or respecting anyone who finds it necessary to refer to himself as 'Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes.' People who use titles to describe themselves are, well, losers, in my book. I earned my doctoral degree two years before he earned his, and I have never found it necessary to refer to myself as 'Dr.'
I also note that, at page 9, the Petition 'requests a court order barring the SOS from both certifying to the Governor the names of the California Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until such documentary proof is produced and verified showing that is a “natural born” citizen of the United States and does not hold citizenship in Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.' Which calls to mind two things:
1. It asks for documentary proof '
showing that is a "natural born' citizen...' but it does not say, who is to provide it, nor about whom this documentary proof is to be provided. Some missing words there, I daresay, which says something about the level of careful legal work on the petition.
2. Assuming that the words 'Senator Barack Hussein Obama' were intended to be inserted between the words '
showing that' and '
is a "natural born" citizen', just how, pray tell, does someone provide documentary proof that he does NOT hold citizenship in a particular country? Can you prove that you are NOT a citizen of some other country? It would be pretty easy, I suppose, to prove that one is NOT a citizen of 'Great Britain,' since 'Great Britain' is not a country-- it is merely an island, the largest island of the country that is known as 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.' But with respect to Indonesia and Kenya-- both of which I believe are actually countries-- perhaps Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes believes that they maintain public records in which they identify every human being on the planet who is NOT a citizen, so that all that Senator Barack Hussein Obama would have to do is ask them to turn over a copy of the records that refer to him? If those countries do not maintain such files on every single human being on the planet, how in the world can someone prove that he is NOT a citizen?
If Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes had hired real lawyers who knew what they were doing, then perhaps they would be able to proof read their legal petitions so as to identify whose proof of citizenship is required, and perhaps they would know what is and what is not a 'country,' and most importantly, perhaps, they would know that you generally do not get very far asking a court to order someone to prove a negative.
Again, Daniel, you have hitched your star to a thoroughly dead horse, and it is just silly that you continue to think that there is anything worth pondering about this dead issue.
Innocent, naive and whimsical. And somewhat footloose and fancy-free.
