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To those is my age cohort

#1 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:45 pm

If you were not feel old, read on.
Time Passes [Jonah Goldberg]

Ross is meditating on the passage of time. He writes:

Via Tyler Cowen, Jason Kottke has a post that vividly illustrates how music and movies from your childhood become "oldies" and "classics" without your even noticing it. To wit:

Watching Star Wars today is like watching It's a Wonderful Life (1946) in 1977 ...

Listening to Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit today is equivalent to playing Terry Jack's Seasons In The Sun (1974) in 1991.
Watching The Godfather today is like watching Charlie Chaplin's Modern Times (1936) in 1972.

Ross goes on to muse about Back to the Future being a disturbing example of this sort of thing. He writes "here's the more frightening point: In just seven years, we will be as distant from the Marty McFly Eighties as that era was from the George McFly 1950s. Which means that to achieve the same narrative effect, a Back to the Future remake that came out in the Obama Administration would have to send its leading man hurtling back through time to ... 1985."

It's funny this all came up because I've been thinking about this very thing for a while. Though my touchstone is the TV show Happy Days which is supposed to be about America from roughly 1955 to 1964. When I watched Happy Days as a kid (as pretty every other kid in America did), the fifties seemed like Jurassic Park. I think this is in part because there were few places where the 1970s were more acute than the New York City of my childhood (if you've seen Panic in Needle Park or Taxi Driver you have a sense of the zeitgeist, if not quite the reality). But in 1975 Happy Days' 1955 was only 20 years earlier. Today, if you were to make a Happy Days type show about life 20 years ago, it would begin at the end of the Reagan years.

Bonus depressing thought: the 1950s were more recent to the 1970s, when Happy Days was on, then the 1970s are to today.

Of course, Family Ties was in its own way a contemporaneous Happy Days but that's a discussion for another time.
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#2 Post by Bob Juch » Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:55 pm

I am not that old!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
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#3 Post by MarleysGh0st » Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:57 pm

Bob Juch wrote:I am not that old!
No, we know you're older! :P

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#4 Post by SportsFan68 » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:07 pm

I think about that too.

Let's say all y'all are 50.

That would mean you were born in 1958.

Now let's go back 50 from there to people who were born in 1908.

Within your lifetime backwards, in your birth year most U.S. women couldn't vote for 12 more years. Of course, the enlightened Wyoming (1890); Colorado (1893); Utah and Idaho (1896); Washington (1910); California (1911); and Oregon, Kansas, and Arizona (1912) were ahead of their time.

Just think of it -- 38 years is very imaginable for someone who's 50. Within your lifespan looking backwards, unless you lived in one of the enlightened Western states, your gender didn't have the right to vote.

That's not all, it's just the one I usually think about. You can probably pick any 30 or 40 year span from 1868 forward and find similar dramatic examples. I think it's pretty amazing how far we came within a lifetime. Less than a century ago, most U.S. women couldn't vote. Now they can be elected President.
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#5 Post by BackInTex » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:35 pm

My oldest daughter in relation to me:

The year I graduated high school to her was the year the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor to me.
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#6 Post by PlacentiaSoccerMom » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:52 pm

Listening to Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit today is equivalent to playing Terry Jack's Seasons In The Sun (1974) in 1991.
That can't be true. The play Smells Like Teen Spirit on KROQ, a cool station, all of the time.

I can't stand the song Seasons In the Sun.

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#7 Post by PlacentiaSoccerMom » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:53 pm

By the way, I recently saw a picture of the kid from the Nirvana Nevermind album cover. I think that he is 16 right now.


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#8 Post by PlacentiaSoccerMom » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:56 pm

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#9 Post by a1mamacat » Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:06 pm

SportsFan68 wrote:I think about that too.

Let's say all y'all are 50.

That would mean you were born in 1958.

Now let's go back 50 from there to people who were born in 1908.

Within your lifetime backwards, in your birth year most U.S. women couldn't vote for 12 more years. Of course, the enlightened Wyoming (1890); Colorado (1893); Utah and Idaho (1896); Washington (1910); California (1911); and Oregon, Kansas, and Arizona (1912) were ahead of their time.

Just think of it -- 38 years is very imaginable for someone who's 50. Within your lifespan looking backwards, unless you lived in one of the enlightened Western states, your gender didn't have the right to vote.

That's not all, it's just the one I usually think about. You can probably pick any 30 or 40 year span from 1868 forward and find similar dramatic examples. I think it's pretty amazing how far we came within a lifetime. Less than a century ago, most U.S. women couldn't vote. Now they can be elected President.
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#10 Post by PlacentiaSoccerMom » Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:12 pm

I think that one of the reasons why Maddie's teachers like her so much is that she doesn't make them feel old. When they talk about stuff from the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s she gets it because she's been exposed to it.

Last year her science teacher loved Bob Dylan and would pepper the conversation with facts about him. Most of the kids didn't even know who he was.

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