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Obama's "Change"

#1 Post by Sir_Galahad » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:35 am

From Dick Morris who I would personally like to see handle Sarah Palin's presidential run in 2012.

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What's with Obama's choice of old-time Clinton cronies and recycled Washington insiders to run the transition to his new politics of change?

Can't the anti-Washington insiders President-elect find anyone who isn't a Beltway has-been?

Judging by the appointments to his transition committee and leaks about possible top staff and Cabinet choices, Obama appears to be practicing the politics of status quo, not the politics of change.

Obama based his innovative campaign on an emphatic and convincing commitment to change the culture of Washington and bring in new people, new ideas, and new ways of doing business.

But now, Obama has definitely changed his tune. As president-elect, he's brought back the old Washington hacks, party regulars, and Clinton sycophants that he so frequently disparaged. Like Jimmy Carter, the last President who ran as an outsider, Obama has reached out to the same old folks who dominate the Democratic Party and represent the status quo.

His Transition Committee looks like a reunion of the Clinton Administration. No new ideas of how to reform the system there. The Chairman, John Podesta, was Clinton's Chief of Staff. He presided over the outrageous last minute pardons and his style is strictly inside-the-beltway and make-no-waves.

Then there's Carol Browner, Clinton's competent former EPA Administrator who became the consummate Washington insider. She's Madeline Albright's partner and recently married mega-lobbyist and former Congressman Tom Downey. During the uproar over Dubai taking over U.S. ports, Browner brought Downey to meet with Senator Chuck Schumer to plead Dubai's case. Downey was paid half a million dollars to push Dubai's position. He's also a lobbyist for Fannie Mae, paid half a million to try to cover their rears on the subprime mortgage mess. Is his change?

Federico Pena was Clinton's Secretary of Transportation and of Energy. The President felt he was unduly soft on Air Florida after their crash and lost confidence in him. Now he's back as a Transition Committee member.

Bill Daley, Clinton's former Secretary of Commerce and the brother of the Mayor of Chicago, is the epitome of the old Democratic establishment. Clinton appointed him to the Fannie Mae Board and his son worked as a lobbyist for the agency. Aren't these the kind of folks that Obama ran against?

Larry Summers, President of Harvard and former Clinton Secretary of the Treasury is not exactly an outsider either. He's also alienated more than a few with his bizarre suggestion that women may be genetically inferior to men in math and science.

Susan Rice, Assistant Secretary of State under Clinton advised John Kerry and Mike Dukakis. Does that tell you enough?

Obama has named one of his big bundlers - Michael Froman, an executive at Citigroup. Is this supposed to symbolize change?

Obama's choice of a spokesperson for the transition is also surprising; hers' is definitely not the face of reason and new politics. Stephanie Cutter is the brash and combative former Clinton, Kerry, and Ted Kennedy mouthpiece. The liberal DailyKos.com once described Cutter as "a moron to the nth degree" when she tried unsuccessfully to force the New York Times' Adam Nagourney to treat her unsolicited email criticizing Howard Dean as "background" without mentioning her name.

Speaking of brash, Rahm Emmanuel, the new White House Chief of Staff, makes Cutter look timid. Rahm is also a former Clinton White House staffer - and a very obnoxious one. He spent his White House years leaking to the Washington Post whenever he didn't like what the President was doing. Even Bill Clinton stopped trusting him. Any hopes of Obama keeping his commitment to reach across the aisle would go right out the window with Rahm's appointment. Instead of extending a hand to the opposition, it would be like raising just one finger. And Rahm's strident demeanor laced with the 'f' word in every sentence will do little to elevate the bipartisan dialogue in Washington.

Christopher Edley, another member of the transition team, is Dean of the Berkeley Law School. He's a former member of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission under Clinton and his wife, Maria Echaveste was Clinton's Deputy Chief of Staff.

Transition committee staffer Christine Varney was a Federal Trade Commissioner under Clinton and worked in the White House.

Throughout the early debates, Obama criticized Hillary as part of the inside-the beltway establishment that needed to go. But now he's reaching out to these exact same folks. Some change.
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Re: Obama's "Change"

#2 Post by WheresFanny » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:44 am

And, if he brought in total newcomers to Washington, everybody would bitch that he was surrounding himself with inexperienced, unqualified people that were unknown cyphers at best and nefarious old cronies at worst.

Dude just can't win.
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Re: Obama's "Change"

#3 Post by peacock2121 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:25 am

Sir_Galahad wrote:From Dick Morris who I would personally like to see handle Sarah Palin's presidential run in 2012.
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What's with Obama's choice of old-time Clinton cronies and recycled Washington insiders to run the transition to his new politics of change?

Can't the anti-Washington insiders President-elect find anyone who isn't a Beltway has-been?

Judging by the appointments to his transition committee and leaks about possible top staff and Cabinet choices, Obama appears to be practicing the politics of status quo, not the politics of change.

Obama based his innovative campaign on an emphatic and convincing commitment to change the culture of Washington and bring in new people, new ideas, and new ways of doing business.

But now, Obama has definitely changed his tune. As president-elect, he's brought back the old Washington hacks, party regulars, and Clinton sycophants that he so frequently disparaged. Like Jimmy Carter, the last President who ran as an outsider, Obama has reached out to the same old folks who dominate the Democratic Party and represent the status quo.

His Transition Committee looks like a reunion of the Clinton Administration. No new ideas of how to reform the system there. The Chairman, John Podesta, was Clinton's Chief of Staff. He presided over the outrageous last minute pardons and his style is strictly inside-the-beltway and make-no-waves.

Then there's Carol Browner, Clinton's competent former EPA Administrator who became the consummate Washington insider. She's Madeline Albright's partner and recently married mega-lobbyist and former Congressman Tom Downey. During the uproar over Dubai taking over U.S. ports, Browner brought Downey to meet with Senator Chuck Schumer to plead Dubai's case. Downey was paid half a million dollars to push Dubai's position. He's also a lobbyist for Fannie Mae, paid half a million to try to cover their rears on the subprime mortgage mess. Is his change?

Federico Pena was Clinton's Secretary of Transportation and of Energy. The President felt he was unduly soft on Air Florida after their crash and lost confidence in him. Now he's back as a Transition Committee member.

Bill Daley, Clinton's former Secretary of Commerce and the brother of the Mayor of Chicago, is the epitome of the old Democratic establishment. Clinton appointed him to the Fannie Mae Board and his son worked as a lobbyist for the agency. Aren't these the kind of folks that Obama ran against?

Larry Summers, President of Harvard and former Clinton Secretary of the Treasury is not exactly an outsider either. He's also alienated more than a few with his bizarre suggestion that women may be genetically inferior to men in math and science.

Susan Rice, Assistant Secretary of State under Clinton advised John Kerry and Mike Dukakis. Does that tell you enough?

Obama has named one of his big bundlers - Michael Froman, an executive at Citigroup. Is this supposed to symbolize change?

Obama's choice of a spokesperson for the transition is also surprising; hers' is definitely not the face of reason and new politics. Stephanie Cutter is the brash and combative former Clinton, Kerry, and Ted Kennedy mouthpiece. The liberal DailyKos.com once described Cutter as "a moron to the nth degree" when she tried unsuccessfully to force the New York Times' Adam Nagourney to treat her unsolicited email criticizing Howard Dean as "background" without mentioning her name.

Speaking of brash, Rahm Emmanuel, the new White House Chief of Staff, makes Cutter look timid. Rahm is also a former Clinton White House staffer - and a very obnoxious one. He spent his White House years leaking to the Washington Post whenever he didn't like what the President was doing. Even Bill Clinton stopped trusting him. Any hopes of Obama keeping his commitment to reach across the aisle would go right out the window with Rahm's appointment. Instead of extending a hand to the opposition, it would be like raising just one finger. And Rahm's strident demeanor laced with the 'f' word in every sentence will do little to elevate the bipartisan dialogue in Washington.

Christopher Edley, another member of the transition team, is Dean of the Berkeley Law School. He's a former member of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission under Clinton and his wife, Maria Echaveste was Clinton's Deputy Chief of Staff.

Transition committee staffer Christine Varney was a Federal Trade Commissioner under Clinton and worked in the White House.

Throughout the early debates, Obama criticized Hillary as part of the inside-the beltway establishment that needed to go. But now he's reaching out to these exact same folks. Some change.
Sorry, I couldn't read anymore after reading the bolded part.

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Re: Obama's "Change"

#4 Post by Jeemie » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:43 am

peacock2121 wrote:
Sir_Galahad wrote:From Dick Morris who I would personally like to see handle Sarah Palin's presidential run in 2012.

Sorry, I couldn't read anymore after reading the bolded part.
After I stopped laughing, I could.

I consider myself pretty darn conservative, but this fascination some righties have with Sarah Palin is as humorous as anything I have seen.

Galahad- Sarah Palin was a novelty item. When the novelty wears off for her, you will realize that she...is...FINISHED.

She will never...repeat...NEVER...be President.

If she's lucky, she'll get Stevens' seat and get to play with that...but no one will EVER trust her to be President.
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#5 Post by ne1410s » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:49 am

jeemie:
...but no one will EVER trust her to be President.
Not even President of Africa? :roll: :roll:
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#6 Post by danielh41 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:04 am

Sir_Galahad wrote:From Dick Morris who I would personally like to see handle Sarah Palin's presidential run in 2012.

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What's with Obama's choice of old-time Clinton cronies and recycled Washington insiders to run the transition to his new politics of change?

Can't the anti-Washington insiders President-elect find anyone who isn't a Beltway has-been?

Judging by the appointments to his transition committee and leaks about possible top staff and Cabinet choices, Obama appears to be practicing the politics of status quo, not the politics of change.

Obama based his innovative campaign on an emphatic and convincing commitment to change the culture of Washington and bring in new people, new ideas, and new ways of doing business.

But now, Obama has definitely changed his tune. As president-elect, he's brought back the old Washington hacks, party regulars, and Clinton sycophants that he so frequently disparaged. Like Jimmy Carter, the last President who ran as an outsider, Obama has reached out to the same old folks who dominate the Democratic Party and represent the status quo.

His Transition Committee looks like a reunion of the Clinton Administration. No new ideas of how to reform the system there. The Chairman, John Podesta, was Clinton's Chief of Staff. He presided over the outrageous last minute pardons and his style is strictly inside-the-beltway and make-no-waves.

Then there's Carol Browner, Clinton's competent former EPA Administrator who became the consummate Washington insider. She's Madeline Albright's partner and recently married mega-lobbyist and former Congressman Tom Downey. During the uproar over Dubai taking over U.S. ports, Browner brought Downey to meet with Senator Chuck Schumer to plead Dubai's case. Downey was paid half a million dollars to push Dubai's position. He's also a lobbyist for Fannie Mae, paid half a million to try to cover their rears on the subprime mortgage mess. Is his change?

Federico Pena was Clinton's Secretary of Transportation and of Energy. The President felt he was unduly soft on Air Florida after their crash and lost confidence in him. Now he's back as a Transition Committee member.

Bill Daley, Clinton's former Secretary of Commerce and the brother of the Mayor of Chicago, is the epitome of the old Democratic establishment. Clinton appointed him to the Fannie Mae Board and his son worked as a lobbyist for the agency. Aren't these the kind of folks that Obama ran against?

Larry Summers, President of Harvard and former Clinton Secretary of the Treasury is not exactly an outsider either. He's also alienated more than a few with his bizarre suggestion that women may be genetically inferior to men in math and science.

Susan Rice, Assistant Secretary of State under Clinton advised John Kerry and Mike Dukakis. Does that tell you enough?

Obama has named one of his big bundlers - Michael Froman, an executive at Citigroup. Is this supposed to symbolize change?

Obama's choice of a spokesperson for the transition is also surprising; hers' is definitely not the face of reason and new politics. Stephanie Cutter is the brash and combative former Clinton, Kerry, and Ted Kennedy mouthpiece. The liberal DailyKos.com once described Cutter as "a moron to the nth degree" when she tried unsuccessfully to force the New York Times' Adam Nagourney to treat her unsolicited email criticizing Howard Dean as "background" without mentioning her name.

Speaking of brash, Rahm Emmanuel, the new White House Chief of Staff, makes Cutter look timid. Rahm is also a former Clinton White House staffer - and a very obnoxious one. He spent his White House years leaking to the Washington Post whenever he didn't like what the President was doing. Even Bill Clinton stopped trusting him. Any hopes of Obama keeping his commitment to reach across the aisle would go right out the window with Rahm's appointment. Instead of extending a hand to the opposition, it would be like raising just one finger. And Rahm's strident demeanor laced with the 'f' word in every sentence will do little to elevate the bipartisan dialogue in Washington.

Christopher Edley, another member of the transition team, is Dean of the Berkeley Law School. He's a former member of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission under Clinton and his wife, Maria Echaveste was Clinton's Deputy Chief of Staff.

Transition committee staffer Christine Varney was a Federal Trade Commissioner under Clinton and worked in the White House.

Throughout the early debates, Obama criticized Hillary as part of the inside-the beltway establishment that needed to go. But now he's reaching out to these exact same folks. Some change.
Why should anyone be surprised at any of his selections?

I will say that one of my big worries about an Obama presidency has been assuaged somewhat. I had serious concerns about the U.S. remaining an ally of Israel and how Obama might deal with the Iranian nuclear crisis. I'm fairly certain that Rahm Emmanuel will never let Obama take any position that might in any way threaten or alienate Israel as long as he is chief of staff. (Hey, I have to find silver linings where I can.)

Of course, I still have about a million other concerns about the coming Obama administration...

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#7 Post by Thousandaire » Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:39 pm

Sir_Galahad wrote:From Dick Morris who I would personally like to see handle Sarah Palin's presidential run in 2012.
I would too. It would guarantee her loss. The only person more annoying than Palin is Morris.

I don't remember Obama promising to bring in new people. I don't remember him disparaging Clinton admin people either. Can Washington insiders bring change? Maybe. Maybe it's enough to change things back to the Clinton days, after eight years of which we had a booming economy, relative peace and a budget surplus.

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#8 Post by madamemeisha » Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:27 pm

ne1410s wrote:jeemie:
...but no one will EVER trust her to be President.
Not even President of Africa? :roll: :roll:
Africa? What's that, exactly? :twisted:

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#9 Post by Jeemie » Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:54 pm

Just as long is is not some of the "change" Obama wants to bring...as apparently, some of his supporters (camped in front of the White House, no less) seem to want.

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#10 Post by silverscreenselect » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:01 am

Thousandaire wrote:
Sir_Galahad wrote:From Dick Morris who I would personally like to see handle Sarah Palin's presidential run in 2012.
I would too. It would guarantee her loss. The only person more annoying than Palin is Morris.

I don't remember Obama promising to bring in new people. I don't remember him disparaging Clinton admin people either. Can Washington insiders bring change? Maybe. Maybe it's enough to change things back to the Clinton days, after eight years of which we had a booming economy, relative peace and a budget surplus.
Obama didn't disparage Clinton people, but he did make a point on a number of occasions to lump the Clinton administration along with Bush II as an example of the old politics that had failed (usually speaking in generalities when he did so) that he intended to change.

As a practical matter, former Clinton people are probably the only Democrats below retirement age with actual experience at high level Federal administration. If he doesn't go there, he brings in more of the Chicago crowd. His talk about doing things in a new way may have appealed to college kids with no experience in politics but most people knew better.

As to who the Republicans run in 2012, a lot will depend on how well Obama is doing. If Obama is popular and the country seems to be doing reasonably well, most of the Republicans will bide their time for four more years, and you'll get another Bob Dole, a safe doctrinaire pick who won't alienate anyone and will fight and lose the good fight. Palin may decide to roll the dice in such a situation against a lightweight field and she could get the nomination and then lose by the same margin or worse than McCain did.

On the other hand, if the Obama administration is a disaster, you'll see the Republican heavyweights dive in. I'd look at people like Jindal or Crist. People realistically are going to have to make up their minds early in 2011 if they want to make a run for 2012.
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#11 Post by BigDrawMan » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:13 am

what do you care

you dint have a dog in the fight
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