Outrageous quote (political)

[earendel]

The National Apathy Party approves my message.....

lb13

I wouldn't think the NAP would care either way about this message.

The NAP will always go out of their way to encourage apathy....

Gary Coleman will even bust a few kneecaps if he has to.....

lb13

But shouldn't the NAP be apathetic about whether anyone else is apathetic or not?

[wintergreen48]

I wouldn't think the NAP would care either way about this message.

The NAP will always go out of their way to encourage apathy....

Gary Coleman will even bust a few kneecaps if he has to.....

lb13

But shouldn't the NAP be apathetic about whether anyone else is apathetic or not?

Who cares?

[Flybrick]

I believe it is an obligation of citizenship to shed the light of day on this dreck, because if allowed to remain unexamined, it festers.

God bless you! Where do we find such men?

But in the final analysis, I'm a Democrat.

And thus feel free to try to force your opinion as the only acceptable one and, conveniently disregarding the buffoonery of Democrat candidates. As has been pointed out to you, repeatedly, neither party has a monopoly on stupidity.

There's not much I can do, other than continue to vote Democrat (as I usually do, but not always) and contribute to Democratic candidates if ranking members of the Republican Party continue to spew this crap.

So go vote. And leave the sanctimonious justifications out.

The heavy lifting necessary to drive this filth from the Republican Party will have to be done by Republicans. And the first step is to accept that these people meant what they said, and to hold them accountable. That can't happen unless Republicans know about all of the things that have been said.

Thus endeth (I pray) the sermon from Bobnumbers.

[Bob78164]

I don't have a problem with Bob doing this. By posting a political flag in the caption, it is to be assumed what follows is going to be partisan in some way.

My original thread title was, "Liberals hate real Americans . . . ." I changed it in response to Judy's concerns. --Bob

[Hello, Mini!]

And how is this different from the Democratic Party and media trying to paint everyone not voting for their guy as racist?

The entire Democratic Party? Ranking members thereof? (BobJuch doesn't count.) All of the news media? If 'Skoop's still reading this thread, she might have something to say about that.

I don't doubt that there are a few nuts here and there who have taken that position, just as there are avowedly racist nuts who will say that they won't vote for Obama because he's black. But I named names and provided quotes to support my point (which you haven't addressed). I'll address your point on the merits when and if you do the same. --Bob

"Undecided people are having a difficult time just culturally making the change, making the move for the first African American president in the history of the United States of America"

Joseph Biden, Saturday, October 18, 2008

This guy represents the Democratic Party, doesn't he? Now go ahead and tell me what he really meant.

In today's paper is an item about a man up in wintergreen's neck of the woods who had his Obama sign stolen and replaced with a Confederate flag. So, he may not be so far off-base.

(Yes, Jeemie--it's an anecdote. Used as an example. But it's not fiction.)

[Jeemie]

The entire Democratic Party? Ranking members thereof? (BobJuch doesn't count.) All of the news media? If 'Skoop's still reading this thread, she might have something to say about that.

I don't doubt that there are a few nuts here and there who have taken that position, just as there are avowedly racist nuts who will say that they won't vote for Obama because he's black. But I named names and provided quotes to support my point (which you haven't addressed). I'll address your point on the merits when and if you do the same. --Bob

"Undecided people are having a difficult time just culturally making the change, making the move for the first African American president in the history of the United States of America"

Joseph Biden, Saturday, October 18, 2008

This guy represents the Democratic Party, doesn't he? Now go ahead and tell me what he really meant.

In today's paper is an item about a man up in wintergreen's neck of the woods who had his Obama sign stolen and replaced with a Confederate flag. So, he may not be so far off-base.

(Yes, Jeemie--it's an anecdote. Used as an example. But it's not fiction.)

You know this person is an undecided voter?

Or is representative of ALL undecided voters?

Don't you see that Biden isn't saying that "There are some people that aren't voting for Obama because they're racist".

What Biden is saying is much closer to "Clearly Obama is so superior to McCain that an undecided can't POSSIBLY be hung up about anything other than Obama's race".

You're telling me you honestly can't see how that is an arrogant, stupid statement to make?

As stupid and arrogant as saying "Liberals hate real Americans" (thus implying that liberals aren't real Americans)?

[Hello, Mini!]

"Undecided people are having a difficult time just culturally making the change, making the move for the first African American president in the history of the United States of America"

Joseph Biden, Saturday, October 18, 2008

This guy represents the Democratic Party, doesn't he? Now go ahead and tell me what he really meant.

In today's paper is an item about a man up in wintergreen's neck of the woods who had his Obama sign stolen and replaced with a Confederate flag. So, he may not be so far off-base.

(Yes, Jeemie--it's an anecdote. Used as an example. But it's not fiction.)

You know this person is an undecided voter?

Or is representative of ALL undecided voters?

Don't you see that Biden isn't saying that "There are some people that aren't voting for Obama because they're racist".

What Biden is saying is much closer to "Clearly Obama is so superior to McCain that an undecided can't POSSIBLY be hung up about anything other than Obama's race".

You're telling me you honestly can't see how that is an arrogant, stupid statement to make?

As stupid and arrogant as saying "Liberals hate real Americans" (thus implying that liberals aren't real Americans)?

He didn't say ALL undecided voters, or having difficulty based SOLELY on race. You're the one who makes all the distinctions have to be all or nothing, or you won't consider them. And not just in this thread.

[Jeemie]

He didn't say ALL undecided voters, or having difficulty based SOLELY on race. You're the one who makes all the distinctions have to be all or nothing, or you won't consider them. And not just in this thread.

I missed the part in Biden's speech where he said "some undecideds..."

And we have learned of the power of saying certain words and ideas over and over from George W. Bush, haven't we? (Google how many times Bush and company juxtaposed "Iraq" and "9/11").

These words and phrases from the Obama camp aren't just "here and there" statements- they've been a pervasive part of his campaign since the primaries.

If it was just a "here or there" thing...or, more importantly, if the Obama campaign had brought issues of race up at times they were RELEVANT...I would agree with you.

But the Obama camp has been weaving race into their campaign just as much as the McCain camp has been weaving the "socialism" and "real Americans" themes into their campaign.

Partisans just don't notice it. I suspect that if I wasn't against both candidates I wouldn't notice McCain's as much.

We're all very good at spotting the speak in others' eyes, but not the log in our own.

PS If by "other thread", you're thinking of the thread Bob Juch firebombed with his rant, you're gravely mistaken. There was absolutely NOTHING going on in that thread that warranted Bob's rant.

[flockofseagulls104]

Representative Robin Hayes (R-NC), while "warming up" a crowd, told them: "Liberals hate real Americans that work and accomplish and achieve and believe in God."

When confronted by the press, his staff initially denied he had said it. Then the audio surfaced. Now he admits that he said it but claims he didn't really mean it.

Hayes is reportedly involved in one of the closer congressional races in the country. --Bob

Perhaps he could be referring to Obama referring to the 'bitter people who cling to their guns and religion' as evidence for his statement.

I agree Bob, You and Juch are posting talking points that are way off the point. You are trying to paint Republicans and Conservatives as being as a group meanspirited, greedy, uncompassionate and racist. All your posts seem to use that as a starting point and it's not true. And as long as you keep banging that broken drum all you're going to do is reinforce a hateful sterotype in those who are already receptive to it and piss off all those who know better.

Instead of attacking your opposition, it might be useful to state some tangible, specific reasons why people should vote for Obama.

[Flybrick]

it might be useful to state some tangible, specific reasons why people should vote for Obama.

It's in the Scriptures.*










* Those lines might be in the People's Liberation Army book, but it is most assuredly written.

[Bob78164]

You are trying to paint Republicans and Conservatives as being as a group meanspirited, greedy, uncompassionate and racist.

Not quite. I am inferring from the evidence cited that there is an organized effort being made on behalf of the McCain campaign (not necessarily by the campaign) to deliberately appeal to meanspirited, greedy, uncompassionate, and racist people. I am giving rank-and-file conservatives and Republicans credit for being willing to repudiate these sentiments if made aware of them. I'll even give Governor Palin credit for calling for the robocalls to stop, even though her running mate appears to believe that they're appropriate. --Bob

[Jeemie]

You are trying to paint Republicans and Conservatives as being as a group meanspirited, greedy, uncompassionate and racist.

Not quite. I am inferring from the evidence cited that there is an organized effort being made on behalf of the McCain campaign (not necessarily by the campaign) to deliberately appeal to meanspirited, greedy, uncompassionate, and racist people. I am giving rank-and-file conservatives and Republicans credit for being willing to repudiate these sentiments if made aware of them. I'll even give Governor Palin credit for calling for the robocalls to stop, even though her running mate appears to believe that they're appropriate. --Bob

And are you equally willing to call out the candidates you're supporting to stop appealing to ANY type of racial argument?

It seems you are not...being the typical partisan, you rationalize Obama's and Biden's DIRECT STATEMENTS while holding McCain and Palin directly accountable for EVERYONE'S statements on their side.

To be blunt, you are producing a load of partisan crap and trying to perfume it with cheap moral platitudes ("OH- I'm just trying to do my duty as a citizen...").

You DO realize, don't you, that when you mix the smell of crap with cheap perfume, it just smells worse?

Spare me.

Spare us all.

PLEASE.

[Bob78164]

And are you equally willing to call out the candidates you're supporting to stop appealing to ANY type of racial argument?

No. Just the ones that aren't supported by facts. As Mini (or one of her MMs) pointed out, the Biden and Obama quotes don't say that anyone who votes against them is a racist. They say that racists will come out of the woodwork to oppose Obama-Biden, and it's going to get ugly. From where I'm standing, their prediction was dead on. --Bob

[Bob78164]

It seems you are not...being the typical partisan, you rationalize Obama's and Biden's DIRECT STATEMENTS while holding McCain and Palin directly accountable for EVERYONE'S statements on their side.

This is factually inaccurate. I acknowledged that Palin, at least, announced opposition to the Ayers robocalls and acknowledged that the evidence does not (to my mind) support an inference that the McCain campaign is responsible for what I see as a coordinated effort occurring on its behalf.

It's been an ugly campaign. From where I sit, most of that ugliness has come from the other side. The polls I've seen suggest that most independents agree with that assessment. --Bob

[Jeemie]

And are you equally willing to call out the candidates you're supporting to stop appealing to ANY type of racial argument?

No. Just the ones that aren't supported by facts. As Mini (or one of her MMs) pointed out, the Biden and Obama quotes don't say that anyone who votes against them is a racist. They say that racists will come out of the woodwork to oppose Obama-Biden, and it's going to get ugly. From where I'm standing, their prediction was dead on. --Bob

Of course it would.

That's what being partisan-blind will do.

And Fake Americans WILL ruin this country too. Prediction dead-on.

See how that works?

[Hello, Mini!]

And are you equally willing to call out the candidates you're supporting to stop appealing to ANY type of racial argument?

No. Just the ones that aren't supported by facts. As Mini (or one of her MMs) pointed out, the Biden and Obama quotes don't say that anyone who votes against them is a racist. They say that racists will come out of the woodwork to oppose Obama-Biden, and it's going to get ugly. From where I'm standing, their prediction was dead on. --Bob

Of course it would.

That's what being partisan-blind will do.

And Fake Americans WILL ruin this country too. Prediction dead-on.

See how that works?

WTF is a Fake American?

[Jeemie]

No. Just the ones that aren't supported by facts. As Mini (or one of her MMs) pointed out, the Biden and Obama quotes don't say that anyone who votes against them is a racist. They say that racists will come out of the woodwork to oppose Obama-Biden, and it's going to get ugly. From where I'm standing, their prediction was dead on. --Bob

Of course it would.

That's what being partisan-blind will do.

And Fake Americans WILL ruin this country too. Prediction dead-on.

See how that works?

WTF is a Fake American?

I think I made myself clear.

[Hello, Mini!]

Of course it would.

That's what being partisan-blind will do.

And Fake Americans WILL ruin this country too. Prediction dead-on.

See how that works?

WTF is a Fake American?

I think I made myself clear.

Not to me. Either I'm stupid or opaque and need to have it spelled out.

Or maybe I'll just give you a "whatever" and spare the rest of the bored any more of your vitriol...

[Weyoun]

You are trying to paint Republicans and Conservatives as being as a group meanspirited, greedy, uncompassionate and racist.

Not quite. I am inferring from the evidence cited that there is an organized effort being made on behalf of the McCain campaign (not necessarily by the campaign) to deliberately appeal to meanspirited, greedy, uncompassionate, and racist people. I am giving rank-and-file conservatives and Republicans credit for being willing to repudiate these sentiments if made aware of them. I'll even give Governor Palin credit for calling for the robocalls to stop, even though her running mate appears to believe that they're appropriate. --Bob

But you've posted no evidence of such. You've posted quotes here and there.

I don't think you get it. I could go to DailyKos and find stuff just as bad, but I wouldn't assume it is part of an organized effort by anyone - just that politics attracts extreme people.

[Bob78164]

You are trying to paint Republicans and Conservatives as being as a group meanspirited, greedy, uncompassionate and racist.

Not quite. I am inferring from the evidence cited that there is an organized effort being made on behalf of the McCain campaign (not necessarily by the campaign) to deliberately appeal to meanspirited, greedy, uncompassionate, and racist people. I am giving rank-and-file conservatives and Republicans credit for being willing to repudiate these sentiments if made aware of them. I'll even give Governor Palin credit for calling for the robocalls to stop, even though her running mate appears to believe that they're appropriate. --Bob

But you've posted no evidence of such. You've posted quotes here and there.

I don't think you get it. I could go to DailyKos and find stuff just as bad, but I wouldn't assume it is part of an organized effort by anyone - just that politics attracts extreme people.

I posted four quotes made within (if memory serves) a week's time by a McCain campaign official speaking for the record who passed up an opportunity to correct her remark, two Republican Members of Congress (both of whom are running for reelection), and one of the candidates. I doubt anything you'd find on DailyKos of a similar tenor could be comparably attributed.

It's true that I'm drawing an inference of organization from the circumstantial evidence of the high rank of the speakers, the close proximity in time, and the similarity in theme. I find it persuasive. Others may not. --Bob

[jarnon]

NCGOP Chairman Robin Hayes, campaign donor indicted on corruption and bribery charges

[jarnon]

The four are alleged to have devised “a scheme and artifice to defraud” North Carolina Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey, according to the grand jury’s indictment.

This claim seems odd. How were they defrauding Causey? Were they offering him a bribe they didn't intend to pay? The actual indictment is here. It says the defendants conspired to defraud the citizens of North Carolina by offering Causey a bribe. The paper's copy editor should address this.

[silverscreenselect]

The four are alleged to have devised “a scheme and artifice to defraud” North Carolina Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey, according to the grand jury’s indictment.

This claim seems odd. How were they defrauding Causey? Were they offering him a bribe they didn't intend to pay? The actual indictment is here. It says the defendants conspired to defraud the citizens of North Carolina by offering Causey a bribe. The paper's copy editor should address this.

As I read it, the conspiracy was intended to defraud the people of North Carolina of Causey's honest services as Insurance Commissioner. There's another count which alleges the same scheme as being a crime because the NC Insurance Department received federal funds under various programs, and the third count is good old-fashioned lying to federal officers. It's an attempt to turn garden-variety bribery into a Federal crime, perhaps because the US attorney was concerned that the state wouldn't prosecute fully.

[silverscreenselect]

NCGOP Chairman Robin Hayes, campaign donor indicted on corruption and bribery charges

Is this a record for the longest repose period before reviving a thread on this Bored?

[Beebs52]

What a stupid thread revival. Reread it and apply. Start a new thread if you're worked up that much by whoever he is.