Connecticut joins the fold

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#1 Post by **Bob78164** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:27 pm

The Connecticut Supreme Court has just made Connecticut the third state in the nation, after Massachusetts and California, to legalize same-sex marriage. Three down, 47 to go. --Bob

WheresFanny · #2 Post by **WheresFanny** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:52 pm

Yay, Connecticut!!!11

bondguy007 · #3 Post by **bondguy007** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:00 am

Yay, indeed. I support this decision. Wow, something good about my state for once.

Weyoun · #4 Post by **Weyoun** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:18 pm

Bob78164 wrote:The Connecticut Supreme Court has just made Connecticut the third state in the nation, after Massachusetts and California, to legalize same-sex marriage. Three down, 47 to go. --Bob

Is this actually supported by their Consitution, or are they just making up stuff as they go along?

Bob Juch · #5 Post by **Bob Juch** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:07 pm

Weyoun wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:The Connecticut Supreme Court has just made Connecticut the third state in the nation, after Massachusetts and California, to legalize same-sex marriage. Three down, 47 to go. --Bob
Is this actually supported by their Consitution, or are they just making up stuff as they go along?

Yeah, they're making up equal rights.

Weyoun · #6 Post by **Weyoun** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:17 pm

Bob Juch wrote:
Weyoun wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:The Connecticut Supreme Court has just made Connecticut the third state in the nation, after Massachusetts and California, to legalize same-sex marriage. Three down, 47 to go. --Bob
Is this actually supported by their Consitution, or are they just making up stuff as they go along?
Yeah, they're making up equal rights.

Does their Constitution even mention equal rights? I'm being completely serious. Just because it's a good idea doesn't mean it is in a constitution.

gotribego26 · #7 Post by **gotribego26** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:33 pm

Weyoun wrote:Does their Constitution even mention equal rights? I'm being completely serious. Just because it's a good idea doesn't mean it is in a constitution.

It is pretty easy to find state Supreme Court decisions - not as easy to read them, but not overwhelming.

I have not read this, but it is easy to find. I did read most of the CA decision.

#8 Post by **Bob78164** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:33 pm

Weyoun wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:The Connecticut Supreme Court has just made Connecticut the third state in the nation, after Massachusetts and California, to legalize same-sex marriage. Three down, 47 to go. --Bob
Is this actually supported by their Consitution, or are they just making up stuff as they go along?

I haven't specifically checked Connecticut, but I think that most state constitutions have an equal protection provision. --Bob

#9 Post by **Bob78164** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:39 pm

gotribego26 wrote:
Weyoun wrote:Does their Constitution even mention equal rights? I'm being completely serious. Just because it's a good idea doesn't mean it is in a constitution.
It is pretty easy to find state Supreme Court decisions - not as easy to read them, but not overwhelming.

I have not read this, but it is easy to find. I did read most of the CA decision.

It's an interesting decision. The Court concludes that restricting marriage to opposite-sex couple fails to survive intermediate scrutiny, and therefore does not reach the questions decided by the California Supreme Court in its analysis -- (1) whether sexual orientation is a suspect classification subject to strict scrutiny, and (2) whether laws restricting marriage impinge on a fundamental right, and for that reason are subject to strict scrutiny. --Bob

frogman042 · #10 Post by **frogman042** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:29 pm

Oh crap. We lived in Connecticut for a number of years. Now that same-sex marriage has been introduced there, it has called into question the legitimacy of my marrage. Clearly having two people who love each other and having their commitment legally recognized by CT has destroyed the sanctity of my marriage - so I will have to break it to the two of my children that were born in CT that their are now bastard children and I have to tell my wife that our marriage is meaningless and for all practical purposes, worthless.

And I was so looking forward to our next anniversary.

---Jay

#11 Post by **Bob78164** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:37 pm

frogman042 wrote:Oh crap. We lived in Connecticut for a number of years. Now that same-sex marriage has been introduced there, it has called into question the legitimacy of my marrage. Clearly having two people who love each other and having their commitment legally recognized by CT has destroyed the sanctity of my marriage - so I will have to break it to the two of my children that were born in CT that their are now bastard children and I have to tell my wife that our marriage is meaningless and for all practical purposes, worthless.

And I was so looking forward to our next anniversary.

Good news, Jay! Upon close reading of the decision, I learn that same-sex marriage is permissive, but not mandatory. Thus, those who chose to wed a member of the opposite sex in Connecticut may do so after the decision, just as they could before.

I just wanted to clear that up so that there was no confusion.

--Bob

elwoodblues · #12 Post by **elwoodblues** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:37 pm

Allowing some adults to marry who they want while not allowing others to do so should not stand up in any court. Our laws are not supposed to be based on anyone's religious beliefs. Our laws are supposed to benefit society, and I fail to see how society benefits from creating a second class of citizens based on a circumstance they did not choose.

One day gay marriage will be legal everywhere, and everyone will wonder what the big deal was.

#13 Post by **Bob78164** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:42 pm

elwoodblues wrote:One day gay marriage will be legal everywhere, and everyone will wonder what the big deal was.

I'm afraid you're an idealistic dreamer. That's what they used to say about interracial marriage . . . . --Bob

elwoodblues · #14 Post by **elwoodblues** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:52 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
elwoodblues wrote:One day gay marriage will be legal everywhere, and everyone will wonder what the big deal was.
I'm afraid you're an idealistic dreamer. That's what they used to say about interracial marriage . . . . --Bob

We are still not where we should be, but today interracial marriage raises far fewer eyebrows than it once did.

frogman042 · #15 Post by **frogman042** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:53 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
frogman042 wrote:Oh crap. We lived in Connecticut for a number of years. Now that same-sex marriage has been introduced there, it has called into question the legitimacy of my marrage. Clearly having two people who love each other and having their commitment legally recognized by CT has destroyed the sanctity of my marriage - so I will have to break it to the two of my children that were born in CT that their are now bastard children and I have to tell my wife that our marriage is meaningless and for all practical purposes, worthless.

And I was so looking forward to our next anniversary.
Good news, Jay! Upon close reading of the decision, I learn that same-sex marriage is permissive, but not mandatory. Thus, those who chose to wed a member of the opposite sex in Connecticut may do so after the decision, just as they could before.

I just wanted to clear that up so that there was no confusion. --Bob

Still it cheapens the whole institution - it is no longer the special and the exclusive club I feel I have the rights to (and a right to exculde others from as well).

OK - removing my tongue from my cheek for a moment. My son Jesse is being Bar Mitzvah'ed this coming Nov. 1st. He his having a joint Bar Mitzvah with the daughter of friends of ours (since there are more B'nei Mitzvah's then there are slots in the calendar for our congregation, it is not uncommon for families to do a joint one with a joint party). Her parents are a same-sex couple. I truly find it horrendous that they can't have the same full legal protection that my wife and I enjoy here in Texas. I can't wait for the day to come that we look back at this period in our history with the same emotions that we reserve for the time when seperate drinking fountains for colored and white were once accepted as the norm. This shameful chapter in our country's history cannot end soon enough, IMO.

---Jay

#16 Post by **Bob78164** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:32 pm

elwoodblues wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
elwoodblues wrote:One day gay marriage will be legal everywhere, and everyone will wonder what the big deal was.
I'm afraid you're an idealistic dreamer. That's what they used to say about interracial marriage . . . . --Bob
We are still not where we should be, but today interracial marriage raises far fewer eyebrows than it once did.

I'm sorry -- I was looking for an icon indicating that my tongue was firmly wedged in my cheek. I guess that hasn't made tubadave's list of updates, yet. --Bob

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