Wal-Mart shuts Cleveland-area store, cites safety

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Bob Juch · #1 Post by **Bob Juch** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:21 pm

NEW YORK, Sept 15 (Reuters) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc said on Monday that it closed a Cleveland-area discount store after determining the building posed safety issues, including a slipping foundation, raw sewage backing up into the store and unstable methane gas levels.

The world's largest retailer said it decided to shutter its two-year-old Garfield Heights location, which was built on the site of a former landfill, after an independent review found the store's building systems posed a safety hazard.

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Sounds like they need to trap and use the methane.

dimmzy · #2 Post by **dimmzy** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:31 pm

I was just in Cleveland a few hours ago (Cleveland to Rochester NY in 4 HOURS! Woo hoo)

I wondered why Cleveland smelled funny.

I thought that was how it always smelled

Gimme A Squiggly · #3 Post by **Gimme A Squiggly** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:34 pm

dimmzy wrote:I was just in Cleveland a few hours ago (Cleveland to Rochester NY in 4 HOURS! Woo hoo)

I wondered why Cleveland smelled funny.

I thought that was how it always smelled

When in Cleveland, smell as Cleveland does....

ghostjmf · #4 Post by **ghostjmf** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:23 pm

Its funny; I recently told my sister, who doesn't go into them because of their atrocious treatment of employees & habit of driving all other businesses out of town by undercutting prices, that I would use those as my reasons too but in reality I don't go into them mainly because I hate loud noisy huuuuuuge places & I'm afraid of huuuuuuge stuff falling from a high shelf & killing me (somehow, I am sure I will be hearing from lb about this one. These 2. Whatever.).

Of course, the same hatred of noisy places & fear of huge objects falling from on high also applies to Costco, a company with marvelous employee treatment as compared to Walmart; heck, they even give employees health insurance! Also impressive is that the CEO of Costco is cited as one of the few in America who has vowed to not take excessive pay, & has stuck to it. (I bought my tires at Costco when my now-retired boss's spouse had a members' card; they technically bought the tires, & I paid them back.)

I never did fear sewage pit slippage, but I guess I can add that to my list.

Locally, a Walmart is planning to build near a friend, wrecking the view from all the houses in the area (its what you'll see, when its built, unless against all odds the residents can fleeping STOP IT, when gazing across a bay), & completely clogging up the driving patterns; access roads will be a horror. And there's another big box store within about 16 miles, so there isn't exactly a crying area need. This one is being built on landfill of ash; something no-one else wants to build on, but which has been held down from blowing into the environment for many years, so isn't harming anyone.

#5 Post by **littlebeast13** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:28 pm

ghostjmf wrote:(somehow, I am sure I will be hearing from lb about this one. These 2. Whatever.).

Now why do you think you'd hear from me after you did such a wonderful job of smearing the company I've worked for for 10 years through the mud?

And to think, I had nothing but good things to say about Rich University.....

lb13

ulysses5019 · #6 Post by **ulysses5019** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:42 pm

......and unstable methane gas levels.

I wonder what stable methane smell like?

elwoodblues · #7 Post by **elwoodblues** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:58 pm

ulysses5019 wrote:
......and unstable methane gas levels.

I wonder what stable methane smell like?

Just eat a few bean burritos.

ghostjmf · #8 Post by **ghostjmf** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:04 pm

lb: Say anything bad you can about RichUniversity. As long as its you that is on record as saying it, & not me.

As for "smearing Walmart with mud": Do you have health insurance through them? I'm happy for you if you do, but I didn't think you were that high up on the Walmart food chain, because you keep refering to yourself as not being so. The regular "floor of the store" employees in the USA do not get insurance. (In Canada they do, but they get it from their country; I think Walmart is forced to pay in because otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to do business in Canada.)

And as for being huuuuge, & noisy, & having scarily big stuff on high shelves; like I said, so does Costco, & despite their much-more-wonderfulness to employees & almost-saintly-by-comparison-with-Walmart's-&-about-a-zillion-other-companies' CEO, I'm not inclined to go into there either (unless my much-missed retired boss comes back & lends me the card for some more tires when I need them).

#9 Post by **littlebeast13** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:11 pm

ghostjmf wrote:lb: Say anything bad you can about RichUniversity. As long as its you that is on record as saying it, & not me.

As for "smearing Walmart with mud": Do you have health insurance through them? I'm happy for you if you do, but I didn't think you were that high up on the Walmart food chain, because you keep refering to yourself as not being so. The regular "floor of the store" employees in the USA do not get insurance. (In Canada they do, but they get it from their country; I think Walmart is forced to pay in because otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to do business in Canada.)

Ghost, Ghost, Ghost! You need to quit listening to all the anti Wal~Mart propaganda put out by the unions who are pissed that they can't get a piece of our salaries.

Yes, I have health insurance. I have had health insurance for 10 years, since I passed my 90 day probational period. I am a measly overnight stocker, and always have been just a measly overnight stocker.

New hires have to wait longer for insurance now than when I started, but it's still there and available for all. The statistics cited about WM employees not having insurance forget that the key demographics that make up a majority of WM workers (housewives, teens, retirees) don't haev insurance through WM because they don't NEED health insurance because they have it through their husbands/parents/pension plans/government, etc....

ghostjmf wrote:And as for being huuuuge, & noisy, & having scarily big stuff on high shelves; like I said, so does Costco, & despite their much-more-wonderfulness to employees, I'm not inclined to go into there either (unless my much-missed retired boss comes back & lends me the card for some more tires when I need them).

I'm not gonna argue with you on this one....

lb13

ghostjmf · #10 Post by **ghostjmf** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:19 pm

lb says:

Yes, I have health insurance. I have had health insurance for 10 years, since I passed my 90 day probational period. I am a measly overnight stocker, and always have been just a measly overnight stocker.

New hires have to wait longer for insurance now than when I started, but it's still there and available for all. The statistics cited about WM employees not having insurance forget that the key demographics that make up a majority of WM workers (housewives, teens, retirees) don't haev insurance through WM because they don't NEED health insurance because they have it through their husbands/parents/pension plans/government, etc....

Tell me about your health insurance, monthly premium included, & I'll tell you mine. (I'd tell you mine [union mandated] right now except its so small I have to look it up.)

The majority of workers need insurance. Claiming that "our workers don't need insurance because they're all married to people who have insurance, are retirees, are teens whose parents insure them" is just so b-o-o-o--gus. People get divorced. Or their mates lose their jobs. Teens grow up. Retirees find their pensions have gone down the drain when their former employers go belly-up. Etc. And aren't there some kind of statutes against discriminating against unmarried unretired adults who apply for jobs? I'm sure Walmart would like all their employees to be married to insured people, retired from companies with good retirement health plans, teens whose parents have insurance, etc. Even Walmart can't manage this.

#11 Post by **littlebeast13** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:48 pm

ghostjmf wrote:lb says:

Yes, I have health insurance. I have had health insurance for 10 years, since I passed my 90 day probational period. I am a measly overnight stocker, and always have been just a measly overnight stocker.

New hires have to wait longer for insurance now than when I started, but it's still there and available for all. The statistics cited about WM employees not having insurance forget that the key demographics that make up a majority of WM workers (housewives, teens, retirees) don't haev insurance through WM because they don't NEED health insurance because they have it through their husbands/parents/pension plans/government, etc....
Tell me about your health insurance, monthly premium included, & I'll tell you mine. (I'd tell you mine [union mandated] right now except its so small I have to look it up.)

The majority of workers need insurance. Claiming that "our workers don't need insurance because they're all married to people who have insurance, are retirees, are teens whose parents insure them" is just so b-o-o-o--gus. People get divorced. Or their mates lose their jobs. Teens grow up. Retirees find their pensions have gone down the drain when their former employers go belly-up. Etc. And aren't there some kind of statutes against discriminating against unmarried unretired adults who apply for jobs? I'm sure Walmart would like all their employees to be married to insured people, retired from companies with good retirement health plans, teens whose parents have insurance, etc. Even Walmart can't manage this.

For the record, that is my defense based on my observation of the typical WM worker. I've never heard the company use that in response to attacks before. But nevertheless, it is true, adn whether you think workers need insurance or not, the fact is, it is their choice. It's not like Wal mart's leaving them no choice as you seem to believe....

Since you asked, my premium is $40 per paycheck, or $20 a week. I'm sure that's not as good as yours, but I have reasonable expectations of what kind of insurance a company that employs about half a million people in the US alone is going to be able to offer and stay competetive. How many workers is Rich U. mandated to provide insurance to.....?

lb13

AlphaDummy · #12 Post by **AlphaDummy** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:54 pm

ulysses5019 wrote:
......and unstable methane gas levels.

I wonder what stable methane smell like?

Step behind that horse.........

ghostjmf · #13 Post by **ghostjmf** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:18 pm

lb:

RichU is mandated by the union to provide insurance to about 3,000 union members. Because it doesn't want the thinks-are-hot-stuff & professorial (who really are hot stuff, for the most part) staff to unionize too, it profers everything the union negotiates for its members to these groups also. I don't have a count on them.

Very locally, the thinks-are-hot-stuff group is beginning to outnumber the union-eligible employees. Its that thing about "whole lotta chiefs, where are the Indians".

We used to get a choice of Blue Cross, several HMOs & RichU's infirmary. Now we only get one HMO & RichU's infirmary. The HMO covers all office visits (but with a $15.00 "copayment"), tests the Drs order, all hospitalization, emergency room visits. There are some things excepted, like dental (a seperate plan covers dental but excludes adult orthodonture; boo, I need some).

Can RichU afford plan? Despite its perpetual whining that it can't afford oh so many things, & cutting out my perferred HMO, it has an endowment recently given as $35 billion. Need I say more.

kayrharris · #14 Post by **kayrharris** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:55 pm

An interesting late night read.

MarleysGh0st · #15 Post by **MarleysGh0st** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:00 am

kayrharris wrote:An interesting late night read.

You mean beast and ghost fighting about insurance coverage?

It did make for a refreshing change from the eternal political squabbles.

WWTBAM Bored

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