Lipstick on a Pig

[danielh41]

Amie Parnes reports from Lebanon, VA:

Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin's new "change" mantra.

"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said as the crowd cheered. "It's still a pig."

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."

"We've had enough of the same old thing."

The crowd apparently took the "lipstick" line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: "lipstick."

This will probably win even more support for Palin and less for Obama if peole do take the "lipstick on a pig" as a reference to Palin. Obama and his campaign are imploding, which is a good thing for our country...

[Beebs52]

Amie Parnes reports from Lebanon, VA:

Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin's new "change" mantra.

"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said as the crowd cheered. "It's still a pig."

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."

"We've had enough of the same old thing."

The crowd apparently took the "lipstick" line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: "lipstick."

Besides, if this quote is all on the up and up reveals a certain lack of originality in speechifying metaphors.

This will probably win even more support for Palin and less for Obama if peole do take the "lipstick on a pig" as a reference to Palin. Obama and his campaign are imploding, which is a good thing for our country...

[mrkelley23]

Let me see if I've got this straight. Gov. Palin can explicitly compare herself to a pit bull, in fact compare herself and presumably a whole bunch of other women to pit bulls, with the only difference being lipstick, and that's okay, even admirable. Let Sen. Obama make a comment which is a well-known aphorism, at least to us rednecks, and he's obviously making a personal attack, even though a quick reading of the words in context make it clear that he's talking about the Republican platform of "change." This smacks of the same kind of hypocrisy which says it is okay for certain racial groups to refer to each other by racial epithets, but nobody outside the circle is allowed to.

"He must be speaking in code."

Isn't this exactly the kind of hypersensitivity SSS and others were accusing Sen. Obama of during the campaign?

[Beebs52]

Let me see if I've got this straight. Gov. Palin can explicitly compare herself to a pit bull, in fact compare herself and presumably a whole bunch of other women to pit bulls, with the only difference being lipstick, and that's okay, even admirable. Let Sen. Obama make a comment which is a well-known aphorism, at least to us rednecks, and he's obviously making a personal attack, even though a quick reading of the words in context make it clear that he's talking about the Republican platform of "change." This smacks of the same kind of hypocrisy which says it is okay for certain racial groups to refer to each other by racial epithets, but nobody outside the circle is allowed to.

"He must be speaking in code."

Isn't this exactly the kind of hypersensitivity SSS and others were accusing Sen. Obama of during the campaign?

I keep getting my comments mixed in with quotes. I'm an idiot.

Actually, the lipstick on a pig thing is sort of overused. It's a trite takeoff on something funny, lipstick/pit bull. My only complaint was that it wasn't particularly entrancing as an attention getter. It has nothing to do with whether or not he's "dissing" anyone at all. He should have used some sort of pitbull analogy then. Or boxstore bought lipstick. Stuff like that.

[mrkelley23]

Let me see if I've got this straight. Gov. Palin can explicitly compare herself to a pit bull, in fact compare herself and presumably a whole bunch of other women to pit bulls, with the only difference being lipstick, and that's okay, even admirable. Let Sen. Obama make a comment which is a well-known aphorism, at least to us rednecks, and he's obviously making a personal attack, even though a quick reading of the words in context make it clear that he's talking about the Republican platform of "change." This smacks of the same kind of hypocrisy which says it is okay for certain racial groups to refer to each other by racial epithets, but nobody outside the circle is allowed to.

"He must be speaking in code."

Isn't this exactly the kind of hypersensitivity SSS and others were accusing Sen. Obama of during the campaign?

I keep getting my comments mixed in with quotes. I'm an idiot.

Actually, the lipstick on a pig thing is sort of overused. It's a trite takeoff on something funny, lipstick/pit bull. My only complaint was that it wasn't particularly entrancing as an attention getter. It has nothing to do with whether or not he's "dissing" anyone at all. He should have used some sort of pitbull analogy then. Or boxstore bought lipstick. Stuff like that.

I didn't even see your comment. I just saw the quote ended the same way the previous message did, so I ASSumed you hit post too soon and were busily typing a devastating diatribe of one sort or another (I can never predict which side you're going to humiliate) so I quickly typed something out in response to the first message, to try to beat you to the punch.....

[Bob Juch]

I've heard McCain use the same phrase in his speeches.

[hf_jai]

The first time I ever hear the "lipstick on a pig" line was from Charlie Rangel back while the Republicans still controlled the House. I literally laughed out loud.

But when I heard Palin's line about hockey moms and pit bulls, I thought that was pretty damned funny too.

I don't think one has anything to do with the other.

[Beebs52]

I've heard McCain use the same phrase in his speeches.

Then he needs to get a better speech writer, too.

[Beebs52]

Let me see if I've got this straight. Gov. Palin can explicitly compare herself to a pit bull, in fact compare herself and presumably a whole bunch of other women to pit bulls, with the only difference being lipstick, and that's okay, even admirable. Let Sen. Obama make a comment which is a well-known aphorism, at least to us rednecks, and he's obviously making a personal attack, even though a quick reading of the words in context make it clear that he's talking about the Republican platform of "change." This smacks of the same kind of hypocrisy which says it is okay for certain racial groups to refer to each other by racial epithets, but nobody outside the circle is allowed to.

"He must be speaking in code."

Isn't this exactly the kind of hypersensitivity SSS and others were accusing Sen. Obama of during the campaign?

I keep getting my comments mixed in with quotes. I'm an idiot.

Actually, the lipstick on a pig thing is sort of overused. It's a trite takeoff on something funny, lipstick/pit bull. My only complaint was that it wasn't particularly entrancing as an attention getter. It has nothing to do with whether or not he's "dissing" anyone at all. He should have used some sort of pitbull analogy then. Or boxstore bought lipstick. Stuff like that.

I didn't even see your comment. I just saw the quote ended the same way the previous message did, so I ASSumed you hit post too soon and were busily typing a devastating diatribe of one sort or another (I can never predict which side you're going to humiliate) so I quickly typed something out in response to the first message, to try to beat you to the punch.....

Cool! You don't which side I'm going to beat up on? That works for me! I'm hoping this comment presents as it's supposed to.

[ShamelessWeasel]

I've heard McCain use the same phrase in his speeches.

You mean like this from October 2007 talking about Hillary Clinton

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/polit ... lan_a.html

McCain criticized Democratic contenders for offering what he called costly universal health care proposals that require too much government regulation. While he said he had not studied Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton's health-care plan, he said it was "eerily reminiscent" of the failed plan she offered as first lady in the early 1990s.

"I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," he said of her proposal.

[franktangredi]

The first time I ever hear the "lipstick on a pig" line was from Charlie Rangel back while the Republicans still controlled the House. I literally laughed out loud.

But when I heard Palin's line about hockey moms and pit bulls, I thought that was pretty damned funny too.

I don't think one has anything to do with the other.

No, this is just another example of somebody who's mind is already made up jumping on anything that can be interpreted in the exact way that want it to be.

Nobody need feel self-righteous. Both sides are adept at this.

In fact, it's amazing how often I've read in the past few days that both candidates have pretty much lost the election through the latest thing they've said/latest poll/latest whatever. By the strangest coincidence, each prediction always expresses exactly the wishes of the person making the prediction.

Here's my prediction: even though I favor Obama, NEITHER CANDIDATE, IF THEY WIN, IS GOING TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!

[Beebs52]

The first time I ever hear the "lipstick on a pig" line was from Charlie Rangel back while the Republicans still controlled the House. I literally laughed out loud.

But when I heard Palin's line about hockey moms and pit bulls, I thought that was pretty damned funny too.

I don't think one has anything to do with the other.

No, this is just another example of somebody who's mind is already made up jumping on anything that can be interpreted in the exact way that want it to be.

Nobody need feel self-righteous. Both sides are adept at this.

In fact, it's amazing how often I've read in the past few days that both candidates have pretty much lost the election through the latest thing they've said/latest poll/latest whatever. By the strangest coincidence, each prediction always expresses exactly the wishes of the person making the prediction.

Here's my prediction: even though I favor Obama, NEITHER CANDIDATE, IF THEY WIN, IS GOING TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!

Dude, you should have participated in the "say something nice" thread a few days ago. I happen to agree with you.

[geoffil]

In Tennessee, the expression is "That's like putting lipstick on a corpse." I never heard of the pig expression.

A person has to have a thick skin to run for office.

[hf_jai]

[snip]In fact, it's amazing how often I've read in the past few days that both candidates have pretty much lost the election through the latest thing they've said/latest poll/latest whatever. By the strangest coincidence, each prediction always expresses exactly the wishes of the person making the prediction.

Here's my prediction: even though I favor Obama, NEITHER CANDIDATE, IF THEY WIN, IS GOING TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!

Aw now, that's not completely true. I do NOT want Obama to lose. But I have been predicting he will lose and lose big since it became obvious he was going to be our nominee.

I will admit to a certain petty "I told you so" satisfaction now that his polls are beginning to go south, but I honestly still do not want him to lose.

I agree McCain will probably not destroy the country. It's too late. Bush has already done it. The worst McCain will probably do is cause more American soldiers and marines to die than would have otherwise.

I was hoping we would elect somebody who could put the country back together, but that doesn't seem likely. The longer we wait, the harder it will be. It may be impossible already. Maybe it was always to much to expect from one person.

[silverscreenselect]

As I indicated in another thread, this is another case of Obama's thinly veiled sexism that permeates his entire campaign, like flipping Hillary the bird during a campaign rally.

What would have happened if McCain had said "you can feed argula to a monkey but it's still a monkey."

Again, the overgrown adoloscents that form much of Obama's campaign will no doubt be thrilled by what their "hero" has done, but most of the country will not. It demonstrates a childish immaturity very similar to George W. Bush going around on his knees saying "No WMD's here."

I don't need a second immature juvenile in a row in the White House.

[Bob Juch]

What would have happened if McCain had said "you can feed argula to a monkey but it's still a monkey."

People would have laughed at him.

What McCain did say is, "I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," in reference to your darling Hillary's health-care plan.

[Political Carp]

Somebody lookin' for my pal here?

[VAdame]

The Wild Sow sez:



Oh my, that color is just dah-ling on you

[VAdame]

The Wild Sow sez:

So whaddya girlz think? Is it meeeee?

[Political Carp]

The Wild Sow sez:

So whaddya girlz think? Is it meeeee?

Just gorgeous, sweetie

[silverscreenselect]

What would have happened if McCain had said "you can feed argula to a monkey but it's still a monkey."

People would have laughed at him.

What McCain did say is, "I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," in reference to your darling Hillary's health-care plan.

McCain was referring to Hillary's health plan. Obama was referring to Palin and everyone knows it.

The broader question should be, what is the point of Obama saying that? Is there one single voter out there who wasn't already deep in the tank for Obama who is going to be so impressed by that "witticism" that they will vote for him?

On the other hand, are there independent, moderate voters who will either be offended by the sexism in that slur or by the juvenility of a amn who wants to be President of the United States telling a joke like that?

The more that Obama and company keep trying to pull stunts like this, the more voters they are going to offend. Look for McCain's lead to keep building as people realize that the Obama campaign is rapidly going off the rails.

[Estonut]

I don't need a second immature juvenile in a row in the White House.

He'd be the third.

[NellyLunatic1980]

In the case of Palin, it would've been more appropriate if Obama had said "You can put lipstick on a moose, but it's still a moose".

This is just more faux outrage from the Republicans to distract the "librul media" and the American people from the issues and McCain's plans (or lack thereof) for this country. They're just looking for any excuse to turn a legitimate calling-out of Palin's record into an accusation of sexism.

Except that this time, Obama wasn't even talking about Palin. Here is the full quote from Obama so that you McCain supporters can see (and hopefully understand) the context:

http://www.latimes.com/news/education/l ... ?track=rss

"John McCain says he's about change, too. So I guess his whole angle is: Watch out, George Bush--except for economic policy, healthcare policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics, we're really going to shake things up in Washington. That's not change. That's just calling the same thing something different. But you can put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, and it's still going to stink after eight years."

The pig is John McCain, not Sarah Palin.

Even Mike Huckabee knows that Obama wasn't talking about Palin. He said so himself on Fixed News, so it must be true... right, Republicans?

[earendel]

What would have happened if McCain had said "you can feed argula to a monkey but it's still a monkey."

People would have laughed at him.

What McCain did say is, "I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," in reference to your darling Hillary's health-care plan.

McCain was referring to Hillary's health plan. Obama was referring to Palin and everyone knows it.

No, everyone does not know it. I agree with those who remarked tht this was a known phrase (my mother back in Oklahoma used to use it) and in the context in which it was used it is clear that Obama was referring to the Republican emphasis on "change".

[VAdame]

Old, old expression!

Even the book was published 2 years ago