Charlie Kirk has been shot

[elwoodblues]

LOT OF SMOKE that the kid was a Groyper

Do Groypers (whatever that is) live with their transgender boyfriends?

No, and neither did he.

[Weyoun]

LOT OF SMOKE that the kid was a Groyper

Do Groypers (whatever that is) live with their transgender boyfriends?

Guess we’ll find out at trial.

[flockofseagulls104]

This is the difference

I don’t defend the George Floyd riots - if you break the private property of other people, you should be prosecuted - but it’s a little dense and perhaps a racist of you to think that these situations are immediately comparable.

In case of Floyd, it wasn’t just that one episode, but many episodes where African-American have been targeted by police and killed for a questionable reasons. In that case, it happened on camera, and it remains, despite the thoughts of one person here in particular, difficult to understand why Floyd needed to die for passing off a counterfeit bill.

It was also done by several people acting on behalf of the government, so when you are mad about what the government does, what do you do? For some reason, I think if Joe Biden had instructed a military sniper to kill Kirk, there probably would not be peaceful protests.

You know that fervent sense that you have that people are always trying to get you, even though they aren’t? That constantly being targeted is a reality for African-Americans in this country.

HTH

You're a racist. You hate "brown peop...<click>You're a racist. You hate "brown peop... <click> You're a racist. You hate "brown peop... Slimy,
annoying broken record. The worst enemy of black Americans is the white liberal.

Trump had two assassination attempts. Anybody killed, beaten up? Any buildings burned down? Charlie Kirk was gunned down in broad daylight. Nothing but prayer vigils, which continue.

People like you are the haters and dividers.

[flockofseagulls104]

Keep on saying you deplore political violence, doc. (or should I start calling you ifonly again)

YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

[BackInTex]

LOT OF SMOKE that the kid was a Groyper

Do Groypers (whatever that is) live with their transgender boyfriends?

No, and neither did he.

Why the “no”? Language technicality? The shooter’s romantic partner/roommate has not transitioned so not transgender, or you consider the roommate a girlfriend, though not fully transitioned?

Because they were living together.

[elwoodblues]

Do Groypers (whatever that is) live with their transgender boyfriends?

No, and neither did he.

Why the “no”? Language technicality? The shooter’s romantic partner/roommate has not transitioned so not transgender, or you consider the roommate a girlfriend, though not fully transitioned?

Because they were living together.

I don't know their status, and I don't see what it has to do with what happened.

[Beebs52]

With all the discord, weird shit attributed to the shooter, etc etc....I think he's just another nutjob looking for fame.
I don't think canonizing Kirk is productive.

[flockofseagulls104]

I think Gutfeld expresses what a lot of us are feeling. I am sick to death with the whataboutism. There is no "what about" to this.

"Canonizing" Charlie Kirk? Excuse me? We have been called nazis, fascists, white supremicists, threats to 'their democracy' and whatever other bullshit the left could dream up for years, just inviting one of their mentally unbalanced lunatics to take one of us out. They tried to take out Trump twice. They tried to take out Kavanaugh. They tried Scalese. They use their unlimited funding (mostly funded by taxpayers) and lawyers to tie up everyone they oppose in a courtroom, trying to stop, delay or bankrupt them. They rioted, killed people and burned down cars and buildings in the name of a career criminal and drug addict who also was wrongfully killed. They canonized George Floyd! And you're complaining that Charlie Kirk is being praised as a great human being?

I agree with the VP. There can be no unity with people who will not recognize the evil they support.

[Beebs52]

"They rioted, killed people and burned down cars and buildings in the name of a career criminal and drug addict who also was wrongfully killed. They canonized George Floyd! And you're complaining that Charlie Kirk is being praised as a great human being?"

Settle the fuck down. I'm not saying he isn't a good man.

This is another nutjob who killed him. Just because no one has burned down neighborhoods doesn't make it less. Just saying that the asshole who did it is a FUCKING NUTJOB. For whatever reason.

[flockofseagulls104]

"They rioted, killed people and burned down cars and buildings in the name of a career criminal and drug addict who also was wrongfully killed. They canonized George Floyd! And you're complaining that Charlie Kirk is being praised as a great human being?"

Settle the fuck down. I'm not saying he isn't a good man.

This is another nutjob who killed him. Just because no one has burned down neighborhoods doesn't make it less. Just saying that the asshole who did it is a FUCKING NUTJOB. For whatever reason.

Sorry, beebs. But this isn't about the nutjob. It is about the leaders of the democrats who have manufactured this construct for years and continue it as we speak. They know it's all lies but they spout it in order to get power and to keep it by enflaming their crazies and to make more of them..
There is NO WHAT ABOUT THIS/WHAT ABOUT THAT? WE ARE NOT THE SAME.

[tlynn78]

Other than the MSNBC host, who has already been canceled, can anyone cite any responsible Democrat who has expressed anything but sadness and regret over this shooting? I see a lot of people posting online about how terrible "the left" is because they are rejoicing in this shooting, but I don't see any evidence other than anonymous trolls -- ironically, the same kind of trolls who come out of the woodwork after violence against Democrats rejoicing about those victims.

I honestly don't know too much about Charlie Kirk, other than he recently told Taylor Swift she should submit to her husband, but he didn't deserve to die, his young family is unfortunately in ruins, and our society's propensity toward violence continues apace.

It's just random folks on the internet, which is going to happen when you have millions of people saying things. Those types of comments should be condemned and hypersensitive fascist snowflake bellyaching ignored.

I think there is a useful comparison between this and Paul Pelosi - the latter was the source of jokes and all sorts of cheering. I don't recall a lot of hand wringing about Trump's retard son making jokes about the Pelosi assault on here.

Now that we're a few days in, I wonder how many of the teachers and healthcare workers who've become unemployed thanks to their disgusting celebrations of Kirk's death could be considered "responsible democrats"

[BackInTex]

No, and neither did he.

Why the “no”? Language technicality? The shooter’s romantic partner/roommate has not transitioned so not transgender, or you consider the roommate a girlfriend, though not fully transitioned?

Because they were living together.

I don't know their status, and I don't see what it has to do with what happened.

So not knowing anything you just post a contrary post because.......?

[Beebs52]

I do agree that endorsement of a political or other murder is heinous. It's really that simple.

[Spock]

Do Groypers (whatever that is) live with their transgender boyfriends?

No, and neither did he.

Why the “no”? Language technicality? The shooter’s romantic partner/roommate has not transitioned so not transgender, or you consider the roommate a girlfriend, though not fully transitioned?

Because they were living together.

Language technicalities aside-

ABC News reporter Matthew Gutman was gushing on-air over the love story between the 2.

https://www.steynonline.com/15584/live- ... ember-17th

[Weyoun]

No, and neither did he.

Why the “no”? Language technicality? The shooter’s romantic partner/roommate has not transitioned so not transgender, or you consider the roommate a girlfriend, though not fully transitioned?

Because they were living together.

Language technicalities aside-

ABC News reporter Matthew Gutman was gushing on-air over the love story between the 2.

https://www.steynonline.com/15584/live- ... ember-17th

Unsurprising to see brokeback looking extra “hard” at this matter. There are some things you saw in the barn as a child that you’ll never unsee, no doubt.

[Beebs52]

A question, we're in a sort of reverse or new cancelling thing now. Except for those who condone murder there are others just disagreeing with kirk.

[jarnon]

A question, we're in a sort of reverse or new cancelling thing now. Except for those who condone murder there are others just disagreeing with Kirk.

Certainly true in Pennsylvania ...

They talked about Charlie Kirk’s death on social media. Now, they’re getting death threats.

Spoiler

In Pennsylvania and New Jersey, local officials, lawyers and other professionals, teachers, and even teens have been targeted.

by Ximena Conde and Brett Sholtis

Tanisha Long does not think conservative icon Charlie Kirk deserved to be killed, but as a Black woman, she doesn’t mourn him. She said as much in a Facebook post.

“We don’t owe him sympathy,” Long wrote after Kirk was fatally shot while speaking at Utah Valley University. “We don’t owe his supporters thoughts and prayers. We don’t have to empathize with agents of our oppressors.”

It’s a stance the Pittsburgh-based community organizer didn’t think would be hard to understand. Kirk had called the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. awful and the Civil Rights Act a mistake.

But within hours, her phone was lighting up with notifications: people trying to hack her Instagram, calling her racial slurs, and wishing her dead. This all happened after conservative activist Scott Presler, who has 2.3 million followers on X, shared her post, a screenshot of her liking a joke regarding Kirk’s death, and a screenshot of her LinkedIn.

“They’re calling my friends, they’re calling my directors, they’re texting me pictures of people who have been bloodied,” Long said. “They’re sending me pictures of my address. They’re sending me photos of my [place of] work.”

With 4,600 Facebook followers on her public page, Long does not see herself as a prominent figure. Yet she finds herself one of the many targets in a nationwide push to punish those perceived to have spoken ill of Kirk.

In Pennsylvania and New Jersey, local officials, lawyers, teachers, and even teens have been targeted. Several said they have received threats to their physical safety.

What people said to spark this fury has varied widely: Many disavowed violence, while also pointing to divisive comments Kirk had made. Others cheered his death.

While doxing and efforts to get people fired are not new, Kirk’s killing has kicked the practice into overdrive. Websites were created to collect tips and share information on those who commented on the activist’s death. Prominent Republicans have called for people to face consequences.

University of Notre Dame professor Tim Weninger, who studies artificial intelligence and social media, called it a moment of social contagion. Except in this instance, “the rhetoric is more violent in this case and more pointed.”

That rhetoric soon led to real-world consequences and confusion. People were incorrectly identified. Philadelphia businesses were mistakenly targeted with bad reviews. And for Long, the threats extended to her workplace at the Pittsburgh Abolitionist Law Center, which took heightened security measures to protect staff following a death threat against colleagues.

“Everybody’s like, Charlie didn’t deserve this because he was just using free speech, but you feel I deserve violent consequences because I’m using free speech,” Long said. “That doesn’t make sense. It’s like free speech is now only speech that you like.”

‘Charlie’s Murderers’

Presler, who says he moved to Pennsylvania last year, first responded to Kirk’s assassination with a call to prayer on X. Then, a call against violence.

Then, Presler called out the chair of the Crawford County Democrats after she made a comment that condemned violence but also criticized lax gun laws and policies of President Donald Trump’s administration.

From there, Presler launched a campaign targeting people he said were celebrating Kirk’s death. A well-known doxing account, Libs of TikTok, which has 4.4 million followers on X, joined the effort.

Though not even a day had passed, and at that point nobody knew who had shot Kirk, a website called “Charlie’s Murderers” was launched. The site listed people’s names, social media profiles, and employers, and promised to become a “searchable database.”

Social media only fueled tensions further, Weninger said.

“Their algorithms are looking for provocative things to show people,” Weninger said.
‘I don’t think a lot of research was done’

The Charlie’s Murderers website showed a photo of a Philadelphia woman, listing her employer as a company called Fresh Prints — a somewhat common business name.

The woman who was doxed declined an interview, afraid she would open herself up to more death threats. She shared images of the threats she had already received.

At the same time, Fresh Prints of West Philly, a pet-sitting company that has never employed the person in question, was bombarded with calls, messages, and bad reviews.

“I don’t think a lot of research was done,” the owner said, asking that her name not be published, citing privacy concerns.

She worried about the reputational damage Fresh Prints of West Philly would sustain. “People were just saying, ‘You’re disgusting, we’re going to ruin your business.’”

The owner limited comments on its Facebook page and changed the company’s voicemail message, letting people know that if they were calling about the woman’s comments, they had the wrong small business. Printfresh LLC, a small Philadelphia fashion company, was also wrongly accused of being the woman’s employer, receiving a handful of one-star Google reviews.

The owner of Fresh Prints of West Philly said harassment had dropped off by Monday. By then, Yelp and Google had removed the one-star reviews, and the Charlie’s Murderers website had been taken down after people reported the site to its domain host, Squarespace, for violating the company’s terms and conditions.

A similar site, however, has already popped up elsewhere.

Teachers and teens

Public school teachers in particular were often the focus of these online posts — including teachers in Crawford, Lancaster, and York Counties.

Members of the Pennsylvania State Education Association, a teachers union, have been frequent targets of harassment since Kirk’s murder, spokesperson Chris Lilienthal said.

“I think, as we’ve seen social media become more of a ubiquitous part of our lives, we’ve seen more of this,” Lilienthal said.

The attacks also extended to students.

Thursday morning, a Haddonfield Memorial High School student received a text with a screenshot of Chris Maynes, a classmate’s father and a local business owner, naming her and three other classmates on his public Facebook page. He said his daughter saw the teens watching Kirk’s shooting and “passing a phone around in glee,” a characterization disputed by the teens.

Maynes did not respond to requests for comment.

In his post, Maynes said he named the girls because he considered the teens to be misguided and other parents whose children associate with them “might want to have them keep some distance.” He edited the post to remove the teens’ names the day he made it.

A doxed teen’s mother agreed to speak to The Inquirer on the condition of anonymity. While her family has not received threats, she said, she does not want to subject her daughter to additional public scrutiny.

The teen’s mother said she wishes Maynes had raised whatever concerns he had with the four teens’ parents instead of putting children’s names on the internet. The teens watched the video, she said, but there was no cheering.

“They’re kids, they’re all kids,” the mother said. “Everyone’s entitled to their differences of opinion. I just feel bad for all the children involved. No grown man should put that out there.”

Apologies and resignations

In Montgomery County, Ambler Borough Tax Collector Jennifer Wexler Stomsky faced calls for her resignation after she criticized her fellow Democrats for being “weak,” “righteous,” and “squeamish,” adding “history is filled with blood,” according to screenshots of a Facebook post attributed to her.

“Let’s make some more martyrs,” one comment attributed to Stomsky said.

Edwin Steinmetz of Gloucester County read that post with disgust.

“I actually was so upset, I called the tax collector’s office,” Steinmetz said, though he didn’t get through to anyone.

The 69-year old security consultant said free speech is a complex topic: You shouldn’t be allowed to yell “fire” in a crowded theater. However, he said that he would not want the United States to have stricter laws against speech.

Perhaps people who celebrated Kirk’s death should not be fired from their jobs, Steinmetz said. “But if you’re saying we should have more assassinations, well, I wouldn’t want a doctor working on me who says that.”

Stomsky has since publicly apologized and resigned her local Democratic committee position. She remains Ambler’s tax collector.

“The comments were written in a moment of frustration and were hyperbolic, never intended for public view, and in no way meant as a call for violence,” Stomsky said. “Still, I understand that words have power. Political violence has no place in our community or in our discourse, and I regret that my words suggested I would ever believe anything to the contrary. For that, I am truly sorry.”

Like the earlier left-wing cancel culture, this is getting out of hand.

I heard about the Ambler tax collector earlier and was appalled. Good thing she came to her senses and apologised.

[jarnon]

ABC suspends Jimmy Kimmel’s late-night show indefinitely over his remarks about Charlie Kirk’s death

According to the article, Kimmel didn’t applaud Kirk’s murder. He just poked fun at the reactions of some conservatives. For that he’s suspended?

[tlynn78]

ABC suspends Jimmy Kimmel’s late-night show indefinitely over his remarks about Charlie Kirk’s death

According to the article, Kimmel didn’t applaud Kirk’s murder. He just poked fun at the reactions of some conservatives. For that he’s suspended?

Take it up with the show-ruuners

[flockofseagulls104]

ABC suspends Jimmy Kimmel’s late-night show indefinitely over his remarks about Charlie Kirk’s death

According to the article, Kimmel didn’t applaud Kirk’s murder. He just poked fun at the reactions of some conservatives. For that he’s suspended?

Of course, 'according to the article'. Written by the Associated Press (AP). You should know better and do some further research before you rely on one source. Especially the AP.

Kimmell used his 'comedy' show to maintain Kirk was killed by one of the 'MAGA Gang' when he either knew that wasn't the case or didn't know shit about it. Based on his past TDS, I suspect it was the former. So everyone in his audience came away from it with that piece of bullshit. Not the only one, but we'll take some accountability for heinous behavior when we can get it. He should be fired permanently.

[silverscreenselect]

Of course, 'according to the article'. Written by the Associated Press (AP). You should know better and do some further research before you rely on one source. Especially the AP.

Here's the actual monologue from Monday's show. The comments about the "MAGA gang" are about two minutes in. After this, he showed clips of Trump's reaction and a post from Marjorie Taylor Greene about the killing.

We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3YdxNSzTk

[Weyoun]

ABC suspends Jimmy Kimmel’s late-night show indefinitely over his remarks about Charlie Kirk’s death

According to the article, Kimmel didn’t applaud Kirk’s murder. He just poked fun at the reactions of some conservatives. For that he’s suspended?

Take it up with the show-ruuners

Or perhaps the network affiliates, who have an important merger that they didn’t wanna get killed.

Or maybe the FCC, who directed ABC to take this action.

Certainly knowing that the government was involved and told ABC to take someone off the air should be concerning to people who still have some belief in the free exchange of ideas.

It’s quickly getting to the point that anything we say is getting filtered by the government and by billionaires who need government support to keep the money coming in.

One day, and I fear this is approaching way too soon, will turn on the TV and we will know everything we see is untrue.

[flockofseagulls104]

ABC suspends Jimmy Kimmel’s late-night show indefinitely over his remarks about Charlie Kirk’s death

According to the article, Kimmel didn’t applaud Kirk’s murder. He just poked fun at the reactions of some conservatives. For that he’s suspended?

Take it up with the show-ruuners

Or perhaps the network affiliates, who have an important merger that they didn’t wanna get killed.

Or maybe the FCC, who directed ABC to take this action.

Certainly knowing that the government was involved and told ABC to take someone off the air should be concerning to people who still have some belief in the free exchange of ideas.

It’s quickly getting to the point that anything we say is getting filtered by the government and by billionaires who need government support to keep the money coming in.

One day, and I fear this is approaching way too soon, will turn on the TV and we will know everything we see is untrue.

Maybe Mark Elias can sue all of them.

[Weyoun]

Take it up with the show-ruuners

Or perhaps the network affiliates, who have an important merger that they didn’t wanna get killed.

Or maybe the FCC, who directed ABC to take this action.

Certainly knowing that the government was involved and told ABC to take someone off the air should be concerning to people who still have some belief in the free exchange of ideas.

It’s quickly getting to the point that anything we say is getting filtered by the government and by billionaires who need government support to keep the money coming in.

One day, and I fear this is approaching way too soon, will turn on the TV and we will know everything we see is untrue.

Maybe Mark Elias can sue all of them.

For someone who is so given to being mistrustful of everyone, you seem weirdly trusting of what the government is doing here.

[BackInTex]

ABC suspends Jimmy Kimmel’s late-night show indefinitely over his remarks about Charlie Kirk’s death

According to the article, Kimmel didn’t applaud Kirk’s murder. He just poked fun at the reactions of some conservatives. For that he’s suspended?

Take it up with the show-ruuners

Or perhaps the network affiliates, who have an important merger that they didn’t wanna get killed.

Or maybe the FCC, who directed ABC to take this action.

Certainly knowing that the government was involved and told ABC to take someone off the air should be concerning to people who still have some belief in the free exchange of ideas.

It’s quickly getting to the point that anything we say is getting filtered by the government and by billionaires who need government support to keep the money coming in.

One day, and I fear this is approaching way too soon, will turn on the TV and we will know everything we see is untrue.

I 100% agree with you here. <running off to take my temperature>

And those that wish to speak the truth will need to worry about being shot by some who disagree. That is why the Charlie Kirk assasination is so troubling to me.

I am glad Kimmel is off the air. I find him very unamusing and his stuff is all regurgitated rants about the right. I just wish the reason given was an economic decision based on ratings. I don't think anything he said the other night was any worse than what he's done the past 4 or 5 years.