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I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:42 pm
by wbtravis007
has handled this very well so far.
I haven't really heard any convincing assertions about things that they've done that they shouldn't have or haven't done that they should have.
Makes me all the more thankful that Trump is not president.
Sure am glad that they were smart enough to figure out how to steal the election.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:47 pm
by Beebs52
I tried to say stuff non political just because this is so fucking momentous. But, you, et al, had to insert old news, old shit.
As others would say, bless ur heart. And I don't mean it in the good way
No personal animus, just, fucking sigh.
Sorry for my attempt at detente.
Detente. Remember that? Snicker
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 4:40 pm
by wbtravis007
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:47 pm
I tried to say stuff non political just because this is so fucking momentous. But, you, et al, had to insert old news, old shit.
As others would say, bless ur heart. And I don't mean it in the good way
No personal animus, just, fucking sigh.
Sorry for my attempt at detente.
Detente. Remember that? Snicker
You come to this thread to jump my ass about being pissed that your thread was hijacked? And call me out in particular ... no one else (that I've seen at least)? Good grief. I commented maybe 5-6 times at most in that thread of 109 posts, and am pretty sure that they were all pretty innocuous, mostly pointing out maybe a flaw or inconsistency in other comments made. I wasn't in that thread trying to comment on who would have done a better job, etc., and didn't. You're wrong to try to lay that crap on me. Why not go back to that thread and bitch at the Trump fan-boys (and girl), and the other Trump-haters, who really did the hijacking, instead of coming here and unjustifiably singling me out?
I started this thread because I wanted to express my view that I think things have been handled well. It's the most dominant thing that I've been thinking about. It's what I would say (and have said) to people who are friends. And I would also tell them that I'm glad that Trump isn't president, whether they like him or, like me, hate him. I'm not asking you or anyone else to agree with me, and I'm not trying to start an argument or persuade anybody. Started a new thread to express those thoughts, thinking that it would be more appropriate to do that instead of doing it in "your thread."
And if you don't like my post because I added that last line about being smart enough to steal the election, I really think you should just chill a little.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 4:42 pm
by BackInTex
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:42 pm
has handled this very well so far.
I haven't really heard any convincing assertions about things that they've done that they shouldn't have or haven't done that they should have.
Makes me all the more thankful that Trump is not president.
Putin agrees.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 4:49 pm
by wbtravis007
BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 4:42 pm
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:42 pm
has handled this very well so far.
I haven't really heard any convincing assertions about things that they've done that they shouldn't have or haven't done that they should have.
Makes me all the more thankful that Trump is not president.
Putin agrees.
I imagine that he does agree that the Biden administration has handled things well. And I'm hoping that he'll be more and more convinced of that as more time passes.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:06 pm
by Bob78164
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:42 pm
has handled this very well so far.
I haven't really heard any convincing assertions about things that they've done that they shouldn't have or haven't done that they should have.
Makes me all the more thankful that Trump is not president.
Sure am glad that they were smart enough to figure out how to steal the election.
One smart decision the Biden Administration made was to call out Russia's strategy before Russia actually executed its tactics. Doing so completely undercut Russia's efforts to use a pretext as an excuse for the invasion. It didn't stop the invasion, but it helped keep the West's response (at the levels of both government at public opinion) unified, and that, in turn, will help keep the sanctions effective because no one will be undermining them on the ground that Russia's actions were somehow justified. --Bob
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:01 pm
by Spock
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:06 pm
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:42 pm
has handled this very well so far.
I haven't really heard any convincing assertions about things that they've done that they shouldn't have or haven't done that they should have.
Makes me all the more thankful that Trump is not president.
Sure am glad that they were smart enough to figure out how to steal the election.
One smart decision the Biden Administration made was to call out Russia's strategy before Russia actually executed its tactics. Doing so completely undercut Russia's efforts to use a pretext as an excuse for the invasion. It didn't stop the invasion, but it helped keep the West's response (at the levels of both government at public opinion) unified, and that, in turn, will help keep the sanctions effective because no one will be undermining them on the ground that Russia's actions were somehow justified. --Bob
Well, Bob#'s did say that if I voted for Trump that Putin would be in Kyiv. Well, I voted for Trump and I have to say that Bob appears to be right.
I know. Old but still good.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:43 pm
by Beebs52
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 4:40 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:47 pm
I tried to say stuff non political just because this is so fucking momentous. But, you, et al, had to insert old news, old shit.
As others would say, bless ur heart. And I don't mean it in the good way
No personal animus, just, fucking sigh.
Sorry for my attempt at detente.
Detente. Remember that? Snicker
You come to this thread to jump my ass about being pissed that your thread was hijacked? And call me out in particular ... no one else (that I've seen at least)? Good grief. I commented maybe 5-6 times at most in that thread of 109 posts, and am pretty sure that they were all pretty innocuous, mostly pointing out maybe a flaw or inconsistency in other comments made. I wasn't in that thread trying to comment on who would have done a better job, etc., and didn't. You're wrong to try to lay that crap on me. Why not go back to that thread and bitch at the Trump fan-boys (and girl), and the other Trump-haters, who really did the hijacking, instead of coming here and unjustifiably singling me out?
I started this thread because I wanted to express my view that I think things have been handled well. It's the most dominant thing that I've been thinking about. It's what I would say (and have said) to people who are friends. And I would also tell them that I'm glad that Trump isn't president, whether they like him or, like me, hate him. I'm not asking you or anyone else to agree with me, and I'm not trying to start an argument or persuade anybody. Started a new thread to express those thoughts, thinking that it would be more appropriate to do that instead of doing it in "your thread."
And if you don't like my post because I added that last line about being smart enough to steal the election, I really think you should just chill a little.
Tough shit.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:12 pm
by Bob Juch
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:32 pm
by tlynn78
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:48 pm
by wbtravis007
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:43 pm
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 4:40 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:47 pm
I tried to say stuff non political just because this is so fucking momentous. But, you, et al, had to insert old news, old shit.
As others would say, bless ur heart. And I don't mean it in the good way
No personal animus, just, fucking sigh.
Sorry for my attempt at detente.
Detente. Remember that? Snicker
You come to this thread to jump my ass about being pissed that your thread was hijacked? And call me out in particular ... no one else (that I've seen at least)? Good grief. I commented maybe 5-6 times at most in that thread of 109 posts, and am pretty sure that they were all pretty innocuous, mostly pointing out maybe a flaw or inconsistency in other comments made. I wasn't in that thread trying to comment on who would have done a better job, etc., and didn't. You're wrong to try to lay that crap on me. Why not go back to that thread and bitch at the Trump fan-boys (and girl), and the other Trump-haters, who really did the hijacking, instead of coming here and unjustifiably singling me out?
I started this thread because I wanted to express my view that I think things have been handled well. It's the most dominant thing that I've been thinking about. It's what I would say (and have said) to people who are friends. And I would also tell them that I'm glad that Trump isn't president, whether they like him or, like me, hate him. I'm not asking you or anyone else to agree with me, and I'm not trying to start an argument or persuade anybody. Started a new thread to express those thoughts, thinking that it would be more appropriate to do that instead of doing it in "your thread."
And if you don't like my post because I added that last line about being smart enough to steal the election, I really think you should just chill a little.
Tough shit.
Fuck off.
And you,too, Fauna.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:53 am
by Estonut
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:42 pm
has handled this very well so far.
I'm pretty sure most Ukrainians disagree with you, especially the hundreds already killed, if only they could.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 4:55 am
by silverscreenselect
Estonut wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:53 am
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:42 pm
has handled this very well so far.
I'm pretty sure most Ukrainians disagree with you, especially the hundreds already killed, if only they could.
I'm sure the Ukrainians were big fans of Trump's attempt to pressure Zelensky into investigating Hunter Biden.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:55 am
by BackInTex
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 4:55 am
Estonut wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:53 am
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:42 pm
has handled this very well so far.
I'm pretty sure most Ukrainians disagree with you, especially the hundreds already killed, if only they could.
I'm sure the Ukrainians were big fans of Trump's attempt to pressure Zelensky into investigating Hunter Biden.
Those that were paying the Bidens certainly weren't.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:06 am
by tlynn78
Estonut wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:53 am
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:42 pm
has handled this very well so far.
I'm pretty sure most Ukrainians disagree with you, especially the hundreds already killed, if only they could.
My thoughts, exactly.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:07 am
by Bob Juch
BackInTex wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:55 am
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 4:55 am
Estonut wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:53 am
I'm pretty sure most Ukrainians disagree with you, especially the hundreds already killed, if only they could.
I'm sure the Ukrainians were big fans of Trump's attempt to pressure Zelensky into investigating Hunter Biden.
Those that were paying the Bidens certainly weren't.
Are you referring to information that was on Hunter's supposed laptop? Do you still believe that was real?
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:30 am
by Bob78164
Estonut wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:53 am
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:42 pm
has handled this very well so far.
I'm pretty sure most Ukrainians disagree with you, especially the hundreds already killed, if only they could.
I'm much more interested in President Biden's defense of American interests than in his defense of Ukrainian interests. And I can't see that it's in America's best interests to insert troops into a land war in Europe, which is what the Ukrainian people probably want. Perhaps you want American soldiers to fight and die in Ukraine, but if so, I disagree, as do the vast majority of the American people.
This is not our war to fight. Our job is to assist those who are fighting it, with supplies, economic sanctions, and (possibly) cyberattacks, and even that will require the willingness of the American people to accept a very real hit to our economy when Russia strikes back. I'll ask you the same question Spock ducked. Are you, personally, willing to bear that price, which will come in higher energy costs and higher inflation? Or do you want something for nothing?
This fight belongs to the Ukrainian people and those among the Russian people who oppose Putin's war. And President Biden's actions have made it much easier for the latter ranks to swell. --Bob
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:56 am
by silverscreenselect
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:30 am
And I can't see that it's in America's best interests to insert troops into a land war in Europe, which is what the Ukrainian people probably want. Perhaps you want American soldiers to fight and die in Ukraine, but if so, I disagree, as do the vast majority of the American people.
I can understand the sentiments of those Republicans (and a few Democrats) who wanted us to take a stronger stance in regard to moving troops in. What I can't stomach are those who continue to apologize for Putin and justify Trump's stance, even though they can't point to much of anything he did that would ever deter Putin other than sucking up to the Russian for four years. Donald Trump was a 21st century Eddie Haskell when it came to dictators like Putin.
But what the vast majority of these Biden-bashers want isn't more decisive action in Ukraine. They just want Biden to look bad (and Trump look good in comparison based on a highly oversimplified and inaccurate metric) and have no real suggestions about what to do in Ukraine. Even today, Biden has to move in conjunction with our NATO allies. He can't unilaterally boot the Russians out of SWIFT.
And here's what another Putin admirer, Steve Bannon had to say about Ukraine today: "Ukraine’s not even a country. It’s kind of a concept. It’s not even a country .. It’s just a corrupt area that the Clinton’s turned into a colony where they can steal money out of.”
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:39 pm
by wbtravis007
Estonut wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:53 am
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:42 pm
has handled this very well so far.
I'm pretty sure most Ukrainians disagree with you, especially the hundreds already killed, if only they could.
I see that you responded this morning to the inquiry that I made the other day in the other thread. I've just posted a response to that there, but I don't think that you really addressed what I was asking about. So, I'm pasting that same inquiry again here:
I’m curious about what you think Trump would be doing now or that Putin might have thought that he would do that would have deterred him. Conventional war? Nuclear? Or something else that I’m not thinking of? What would you be in favor of doing or threatening?
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 5:40 pm
by Bob Juch
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:39 pm
Estonut wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:53 am
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:42 pm
has handled this very well so far.
I'm pretty sure most Ukrainians disagree with you, especially the hundreds already killed, if only they could.
I see that you responded this morning to the inquiry that I made the other day in the other thread. I've just posted a response to that there, but I don't think that you really addressed what I was asking about. So, I'm pasting that same inquiry again here:
I’m curious about what you think Trump would be doing now or that Putin might have thought that he would do that would have deterred him. Conventional war? Nuclear? Or something else that I’m not thinking of? What would you be in favor of doing or threatening?
He'd probably do the same thing he did with Syria.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:09 pm
by a1mamacat
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:30 am
Estonut wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:53 am
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:42 pm
has handled this very well so far.
I'm pretty sure most Ukrainians disagree with you, especially the hundreds already killed, if only they could.
I'm much more interested in President Biden's defense of American interests than in his defense of Ukrainian interests. And I can't see that it's in America's best interests to insert troops into a land war in Europe, which is what the Ukrainian people probably want. Perhaps you want American soldiers to fight and die in Ukraine, but if so, I disagree, as do the vast majority of the American people.
This is not our war to fight. Our job is to assist those who are fighting it, with supplies, economic sanctions, and (possibly) cyberattacks, and even that will require the willingness of the American people to accept a very real hit to our economy when Russia strikes back. I'll ask you the same question Spock ducked. Are you, personally, willing to bear that price, which will come in higher energy costs and higher inflation? Or do you want something for nothing?
This fight belongs to the Ukrainian people and those among the Russian people who oppose Putin's war. And President Biden's actions have made it much easier for the latter ranks to swell. --Bob
And when Putin decides he wants Alaska back too, I guess the US will be on its own, nobody else’s fight.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:13 pm
by Beebs52
a1mamacat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:09 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:30 am
Estonut wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:53 am
I'm pretty sure most Ukrainians disagree with you, especially the hundreds already killed, if only they could.
I'm much more interested in President Biden's defense of American interests than in his defense of Ukrainian interests. And I can't see that it's in America's best interests to insert troops into a land war in Europe, which is what the Ukrainian people probably want. Perhaps you want American soldiers to fight and die in Ukraine, but if so, I disagree, as do the vast majority of the American people.
This is not our war to fight. Our job is to assist those who are fighting it, with supplies, economic sanctions, and (possibly) cyberattacks, and even that will require the willingness of the American people to accept a very real hit to our economy when Russia strikes back. I'll ask you the same question Spock ducked. Are you, personally, willing to bear that price, which will come in higher energy costs and higher inflation? Or do you want something for nothing?
This fight belongs to the Ukrainian people and those among the Russian people who oppose Putin's war. And President Biden's actions have made it much easier for the latter ranks to swell. --Bob
And when Putin decides he wants Alaska back too, I guess the US will be on its own, nobody else’s fight.
You. Go. Girl. Yes
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:29 pm
by wbtravis007
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:13 pm
a1mamacat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:09 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:30 am
I'm much more interested in President Biden's defense of American interests than in his defense of Ukrainian interests. And I can't see that it's in America's best interests to insert troops into a land war in Europe, which is what the Ukrainian people probably want. Perhaps you want American soldiers to fight and die in Ukraine, but if so, I disagree, as do the vast majority of the American people.
This is not our war to fight. Our job is to assist those who are fighting it, with supplies, economic sanctions, and (possibly) cyberattacks, and even that will require the willingness of the American people to accept a very real hit to our economy when Russia strikes back. I'll ask you the same question Spock ducked. Are you, personally, willing to bear that price, which will come in higher energy costs and higher inflation? Or do you want something for nothing?
This fight belongs to the Ukrainian people and those among the Russian people who oppose Putin's war. And President Biden's actions have made it much easier for the latter ranks to swell. --Bob
And when Putin decides he wants Alaska back too, I guess the US will be on its own, nobody else’s fight.
You. Go. Girl. Yes
Sorry Saucey, but no go girl here from me.
Risking starting WW3 here would be insane.
I’m not totally comfortable with the assumption that Putin isn’t somewhat unhinged right now.
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:36 pm
by Beebs52
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:29 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:13 pm
a1mamacat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:09 pm
And when Putin decides he wants Alaska back too, I guess the US will be on its own, nobody else’s fight.
You. Go. Girl. Yes
Sorry Saucey, but no go girl here from me.
Risking starting WW3 here would be insane.
I’m not totally comfortable with the assumption that Putin isn’t somewhat unhinged right now.
You mean IS somewhat unhinged. Right? Like nutso?
Re: I think the Biden Administration
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:42 pm
by a1mamacat
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:36 pm
wbtravis007 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:29 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:13 pm
You. Go. Girl. Yes
Sorry Saucey, but no go girl here from me.
Risking starting WW3 here would be insane.
I’m not totally comfortable with the assumption that Putin isn’t somewhat unhinged right now.
You mean IS somewhat unhinged. Right? Like nutso?
Double negative usage Beebs. You lost yer grammar?
