Question re war

[flockofseagulls104]

Trump sides with Putin as Biden tries to stop a war

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/23/politics ... index.html

(CNN)It took only 24 hours for Donald Trump to hail Russian President Vladimir Putin's dismembering of independent, democratic, sovereign Ukraine as an act of "genius."

The former President often accuses his enemies falsely of treason, but his own giddy rush to side with a foreign leader who is proving to be an enemy of the United States and the West is shocking even by Trump's self-serving standards.

As President Joe Biden reprises the fabled presidential role of leading the free world, the predecessor who wants to succeed him is showing Putin that impunity, dictator-coddling and hero worship will return if he wins back the White House. Trump's remarks on a conservative radio show on Tuesday will not only find a warm welcome in the Kremlin. They also will concern allies standing alongside the US against Russia who fear for NATO's future if Trump returns.

Trump also sent an unmistakable message to Republicans, who are already playing into Putin's hands by branding the current President as weak, that siding with a US foe is the way into the ex-President's affections ahead of this year's midterm primaries.

Trump didn't take long to make sure Putin knew he approved of his movement of troops into parts of eastern Ukraine, knowing that his comments would be picked up and beamed around the world.

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine, of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful," Trump said in an interview on "The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show."

The ex-President added: "So Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That's the strongest peace force," Trump said. "We could use that on our southern border. That's the strongest peace force I've ever seen. ... Here's a guy who's very savvy. ... I know him very well. Very, very well."

Trump was referring to Putin's declaration on Monday that he would regard two rebel regions of eastern Ukraine, where he has been fostering separatism, as independent and his order for Russian troops, which Putin misleadingly called "peacekeeping" forces, to reinforce the enclaves. The move was a flagrant violation of international law, was resonant of the tyrannical territorial aggrandizement of the 1930s that led to World War II and was, as Biden said on Tuesday, tantamount to "the beginning of a Russian invasion."

In effect, the ex-President is trying to undermine US foreign policy as the current President tries to stop a war that could kill thousands of people and threaten the post-Cold War peace.

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A total misrepresentation. Of course it came from CNN. These people are either as brain dead as Biden, or they're purposefully misrepresenting what he said. In the case of CNN it is both. And look what they send out for their syncophant audience to digest. If you actually listen to what he said and pay attention to the tone and context of what he said, there is NO QUESTION that he is against what Putin did and was only impressed with the audacity and hypocrisy that Putin used to justify it.
Although any thinking person knows what Trump was communicating, I wish he would learn to speak more plainly and concisely and not give the assholes and liars in the media the opportunity to do what they did. There's a lot of non-thinking, hateful sheep that inhabit the MSM, the dem party and here on this bored, apparently. He needs to ditch his NY sarcasm and speak more plainly for the people who can't understand anything that's not literal.

Those are direct quotes from TFG. Are you saying he didn't mean what he said?

Don't read it. LISTEN to everything he actually said and HOW he said it!!!!!!
Then, if you have a brain in your head, look at how CNN presented it and you'll see why people who do have brains in their head believe CNN is the enemy of the people, as Trump said it is.
But you won't.

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Hey I got two stalkings this time. One right after another! Less than a minute after I posted this!
He's right on the job!!!!!!

[silverscreenselect]

Okay, genius, what would you do?

I guess I would do whatever the Trump team did. For some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-year vacation.

The "some reason" was Putin's efforts to destabilize the Ukrainian government and install a puppet regime while Trump helped out by trying to strongarm that same government into endless Hunter Biden investigations and delay arms shipments to the Ukrainians. It's always preferable to take over a country with no loss of life or weaponry. That's what Hitler did in Austria and Czechoslovakia.

That "soft effort" failed because Zelensky proved to be a tougher cookie than Putin imagined. (He probably thought he was getting the Ukrainian version of Trump, a lightweight, egotistical funnyman.)

[silverscreenselect]

Trump showed strength, resolve, logic, awareness, shrewdness, confidence, and a general love for this country and freedom.

I must have missed when Trump displayed any of those characteristics other than extreme confidence in himself.

[Spock]

Okay, genius, what would you do?

I guess I would do whatever the Trump team did. For some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-year vacation.

The "some reason" was Putin's efforts to destabilize the Ukrainian government and install a puppet regime while Trump helped out by trying to strongarm that same government into endless Hunter Biden investigations and delay arms shipments to the Ukrainians. It's always preferable to take over a country with no loss of life or weaponry. That's what Hitler did in Austria and Czechoslovakia.

That "soft effort" failed because Zelensky proved to be a tougher cookie than Putin imagined. (He probably thought he was getting the Ukrainian version of Trump, a lightweight, egotistical funnyman.)

Oh, I see we are playing the "Putin imagined" and "Putin probably thought" counter-factual game.

[silverscreenselect]

Don't read it. LISTEN to everything he actually said and HOW he said it!!!!!!
Then, if you have a brain in your head, look at how CNN presented it and you'll see why people who do have brains in their head believe CNN is the enemy of the people, as Trump said it is. But you won't.

Well, I listened to it. The reference to a "peacekeeping" force was intended as sarcasm, as everyone understood. I didn't detect any trace of sarcasm in any of the other comments about Putin being a genius and very savvy, any more than there was sarcasm in the dozens of other times Trump has praised Putin over the years. And his comment that Biden had no response was very short sighted. Both the US and its NATO allies responded with a list of sanctions and imposed more sanctions today, including on the company that operates the Nort Stream project.

Flock, you should avoid making references about "people who do have brains in their head," because that's a group of which you clearly are not a member.

[Bob78164]

With these idiots in control, and so very many more idiots swallowing the bullshit they're pushing.

Okay, genius, what would you do?

I guess I would do whatever the Trump team did. For some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-year vacation.

That reason was he was waiting for Donny to pull the United States out of NATO and further destabilize the European Union. Only when that plan failed (thanks to the election of President Biden) did Putin need to risk using actual troops and sanctions to achieve his goals. He was hoping Donny would win a second term, and then he could just waltz in.

So you would have (a) abandoned more allies on the battlefield, as Donny did with the Kurds, (b) pulled us out of NATO, and Donny would have done in a second term, and (c) expressed open disdain for our democratic European allies, (d) ignored legal requirements that we provide aid to the Ukraine, (e) openly cheered Russia's authoritarian actions, and the authoritarian actions of other governments, and (f) outed an undercover spy directly to the Russian government. --Bob

[tlynn78]

Okay, genius, what would you do?

I guess I would do whatever the Trump team did. For some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-year vacation.

That reason was he was waiting for Donny to pull the United States out of NATO and further destabilize the European Union. Only when that plan failed (thanks to the election of President Biden) did Putin need to risk using actual troops and sanctions to achieve his goals. He was hoping Donny would win a second term, and then he could just waltz in.

So you would have (a) abandoned more allies on the battlefield, as Donny did with the Kurds, (b) pulled us out of NATO, and Donny would have done in a second term, and (c) expressed open disdain for our democratic European allies, (d) ignored legal requirements that we provide aid to the Ukraine, (e) openly cheered Russia's authoritarian actions, and the authoritarian actions of other governments, and (f) outed an undercover spy directly to the Russian government. --Bob

You get more laughable every day.

[Bob Juch]

Okay, genius, what would you do?

I guess I would do whatever the Trump team did. For some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-year vacation.

Biden can't. Trump showed strength, resolve, logic, awareness, shrewdness, confidence, and a general love for this country and freedom.

[silverscreenselect]

You get more laughable every day.

T-girl's version of Flock's sarcasm when he can't respond to a comment by one of the Bobs or me is to call us laughable.

[Spock]

Okay, genius, what would you do?

I guess I would do whatever the Trump team did. For some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-year vacation.

That reason was he was waiting for Donny to pull the United States out of NATO and further destabilize the European Union. Only when that plan failed (thanks to the election of President Biden) did Putin need to risk using actual troops and sanctions to achieve his goals. He was hoping Donny would win a second term, and then he could just waltz in.

So you would have (a) abandoned more allies on the battlefield, as Donny did with the Kurds, (b) pulled us out of NATO, and Donny would have done in a second term, and (c) expressed open disdain for our democratic European allies, (d) ignored legal requirements that we provide aid to the Ukraine, (e) openly cheered Russia's authoritarian actions, and the authoritarian actions of other governments, and (f) outed an undercover spy directly to the Russian government. --Bob

How did Obama's great plan work out when Putin took Crimea?

Like I said, for some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-yr vacation under Trump and SSS responds with "Putin imagined" and "Putin probably thought."

[Bob78164]

With these idiots in control, and so very many more idiots swallowing the bullshit they're pushing.

Okay, genius, what would you do?

I guess I would do whatever the Trump team did. For some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-year vacation.

By the way, this, right here, is how you know the Republican Party has devolved into a cult of personality. Whatever Dear Leader Donny wants is just a-okay with Spock (and what has become a clear majority of what's left of the Republican Party), and he feels no need to investigate further, even enough to understand just what Donny supposedly did that supposedly deterred Putin. Kind of reminds me of the 2020 Republican Party platform: "Give Donny whatever he wants." --Bob

[Spock]

Okay, genius, what would you do?

I guess I would do whatever the Trump team did. For some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-year vacation.

By the way, this, right here, is how you know the Republican Party has devolved into a cult of personality. Whatever Dear Leader Donny wants is just a-okay with Spock (and what has become a clear majority of what's left of the Republican Party), and he feels no need to investigate further, even enough to understand just what Donny supposedly did that supposedly deterred Putin. Kind of reminds me of the 2020 Republican Party platform: "Give Donny whatever he wants." --Bob
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I do know one thing that I would not have done. I would not have done everything in my power from the first moments of my administration (as the Biden Admin did)to shut down domestic oil and gas production thus raising oil prices and enriching a Petro-state (Russia) and giving Putin more foreign power flexibility.

[tlynn78]

You get more laughable every day.

T-girl's version of Flock's sarcasm when he can't respond to a comment by one of the Bobs or me is to call us laughable.

LMAO! Couldn't possibly be because you two are, simply put, utterly hysterical, right? Little Pavlov puppies whenever Trump's name comes up. Bless your heart.

[Spock]

I guess I would do whatever the Trump team did. For some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-year vacation.

By the way, this, right here, is how you know the Republican Party has devolved into a cult of personality. Whatever Dear Leader Donny wants is just a-okay with Spock (and what has become a clear majority of what's left of the Republican Party), and he feels no need to investigate further, even enough to understand just what Donny supposedly did that supposedly deterred Putin. Kind of reminds me of the 2020 Republican Party platform: "Give Donny whatever he wants." --Bob

I do know one thing that I would not have done. I would not have done everything in my power from the first moments of my administration (as the Biden Admin did)to shut down domestic oil and gas production thus raising oil prices and enriching a Petro-state (Russia) and giving Putin more foreign power flexibility.

[Spock]

This got all funky with quoting and stuff so I tried to post by itself.

I do know one thing that I would not have done. I would not have done everything in my power from the first moments of my administration (as the Biden Admin did)to shut down domestic oil and gas production thus raising oil prices and enriching a Petro-state (Russia) and giving Putin more foreign power flexibility.

[Beebs52]

Here's my conspiracy theory. And, since I started this god forsaken thread.

I think summa this shit is bullshit.
"Imminent."
It's always imminent. Not disregarding incompetence just...

[Beebs52]

This got all funky with quoting and stuff so I tried to post by itself.

I do know one thing that I would not have done. I would not have done everything in my power from the first moments of my administration (as the Biden Admin did)to shut down domestic oil and gas production thus raising oil prices and enriching a Petro-state (Russia) and giving Putin more foreign power flexibility.

Rec

[Bob78164]

I guess I would do whatever the Trump team did. For some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-year vacation.

By the way, this, right here, is how you know the Republican Party has devolved into a cult of personality. Whatever Dear Leader Donny wants is just a-okay with Spock (and what has become a clear majority of what's left of the Republican Party), and he feels no need to investigate further, even enough to understand just what Donny supposedly did that supposedly deterred Putin. Kind of reminds me of the 2020 Republican Party platform: "Give Donny whatever he wants." --Bob

I do know one thing that I would not have done. I would not have done everything in my power from the first moments of my administration (as the Biden Admin did)to shut down domestic oil and gas production thus raising oil prices and enriching a Petro-state (Russia) and giving Putin more foreign power flexibility.

Apparently you've missed the news that the United States has achieved energy independence. In other words, you have your facts wrong. Again. --Bob

[Bob Juch]

This got all funky with quoting and stuff so I tried to post by itself.

I do know one thing that I would not have done. I would not have done everything in my power from the first moments of my administration (as the Biden Admin did)to shut down domestic oil and gas production thus raising oil prices and enriching a Petro-state (Russia) and giving Putin more foreign power flexibility.

Which one of your handlers told you that fairy story?

[Spock]

This got all funky with quoting and stuff so I tried to post by itself.

I do know one thing that I would not have done. I would not have done everything in my power from the first moments of my administration (as the Biden Admin did)to shut down domestic oil and gas production thus raising oil prices and enriching a Petro-state (Russia) and giving Putin more foreign power flexibility.

Which one of your handlers told you that fairy story?

Note this is just one example from the first days of the Biden Admin that I found in a few seconds of Googling. There are many more.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/biden-s ... es-of.html

>>>"Biden’s orders direct the secretary of the Interior Department to halt new oil and natural gas leases on public lands and waters, and begin a thorough review of existing permits for fossil fuel development."<<<<<<

Plus, just seeing what is going on in Minnesota lately-the Biden Admin has put a major priority on stopping mining. It is funny, because the mines in question would have produced the minerals needed for a so-called "Green" economy.

[Bob Juch]

I guess I would do whatever the Trump team did. For some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-year vacation.

That reason was he was waiting for Donny to pull the United States out of NATO and further destabilize the European Union. Only when that plan failed (thanks to the election of President Biden) did Putin need to risk using actual troops and sanctions to achieve his goals. He was hoping Donny would win a second term, and then he could just waltz in.

So you would have (a) abandoned more allies on the battlefield, as Donny did with the Kurds, (b) pulled us out of NATO, and Donny would have done in a second term, and (c) expressed open disdain for our democratic European allies, (d) ignored legal requirements that we provide aid to the Ukraine, (e) openly cheered Russia's authoritarian actions, and the authoritarian actions of other governments, and (f) outed an undercover spy directly to the Russian government. --Bob

How did Obama's great plan work out when Putin took Crimea?

Like I said, for some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-yr vacation under Trump and SSS responds with "Putin imagined" and "Putin probably thought."

Could it be that this was timed to affect the midterm elections? Putin knows TFG and his sycophants will be cozier with Russia than the Democrats.

[Spock]

That reason was he was waiting for Donny to pull the United States out of NATO and further destabilize the European Union. Only when that plan failed (thanks to the election of President Biden) did Putin need to risk using actual troops and sanctions to achieve his goals. He was hoping Donny would win a second term, and then he could just waltz in.

So you would have (a) abandoned more allies on the battlefield, as Donny did with the Kurds, (b) pulled us out of NATO, and Donny would have done in a second term, and (c) expressed open disdain for our democratic European allies, (d) ignored legal requirements that we provide aid to the Ukraine, (e) openly cheered Russia's authoritarian actions, and the authoritarian actions of other governments, and (f) outed an undercover spy directly to the Russian government. --Bob

How did Obama's great plan work out when Putin took Crimea?

Like I said, for some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-yr vacation under Trump and SSS responds with "Putin imagined" and "Putin probably thought."

Could it be that this was timed to affect the midterm elections? Putin knows TFG and his sycophants will be cozier with Russia than the Democrats.

And BobJ enters the sweepstakes with "Could it be" followed by some fantasies about Republicans.

[Bob Juch]

[flockofseagulls104]

My guess is that none of the libs here have bothered to listen to Trump's interview. They are content with having it spoonfed to them by their comrades. But I suspect even if they do listen to it, their brains have been so degraded they would deny the truth even when it is right in their face. SAD. Why do we even bother to argue with them? As many have said: Truth is not a value of the left. They won't see the truth because they don't want to.

[tlynn78]

My guess is that none of the libs here have bothered to listen to Trump's interview. They are content with having it spoonfed to them by their comrades. But I suspect even if they do listen to it, their brains have been so degraded they would deny the truth even when it is right in their face. SAD. Why do we even bother to argue with them? As many have said: Truth is not a value of the left. They won't see the truth because they don't want to.

Like I said, pissing in the wind.