New GroganGame: Films Not Starring Jerzy Trela

[smilergrogan]

Maybe not, but Shelley Winters was not just Rosanne's grandmother, she was Estelle Parsons's mother, so she still counts.

But I don't think Estelle Parsons was ever a regular cast member, was she?

[KillerTomato]

Brian Cox (ZODIAC) was Daphne's father on "Frasier", so that's the connection to Jane Leeves. Dunno who played the mother, tho.
I still think FORREST GUMP is here because of Sally Field, but "Brothers and Sisters" doesn't seem to fit. She did play Maura Tierney's mother on "E.R." I think.
Frances Sternhagen (MISERY) played John Ratzenberger's (FINDING NEMO) mother on "Cheers," but I don't remember if his father was ever shown.
Ned Beatty (DELIVERANCE) was the father of John Goodman (THE BIG LEBOWSKI) on "Roseanne".

[franktangredi]

I may have tried a little too hard to get Melly's line into the puzzle!

I am thinking, then, that we have a movie with the wrong Deschannel sister.

Because, while Zoe Deschannel is in The Happening, Ryan O'Neal (B41. Paper Moon) plays the father of "Bones" on Bones. But that's Emily Deschannel, not Zoe.

I appreciate the effort, smiler.

Also, Paul Dooley was Sherry Stringfield's dad on ER.

Smiler has confirmed that we already have the right 20 tv shows. So Bones can't figure in. We have to work with the 20 we have.

He's also confirmed that Ice Age isn't on here twice. So we need a different ER star besides Anthony Edwards.

And since Ordinary People seems certain to be the one that's on here twice, that means that Finding Nemo can't be.

[franktangredi]

Maybe not, but Shelley Winters was not just Rosanne's grandmother, she was Estelle Parsons's mother, so she still counts.

But I don't think Estelle Parsons was ever a regular cast member, was she?

According to IMDB, she was on 59 episodes. That seems semi-regular, at least.

And since there are no restrictions on how many times the B movies can be used, there's no harm in including her anyway.

[smilergrogan]

Maybe not, but Shelley Winters was not just Rosanne's grandmother, she was Estelle Parsons's mother, so she still counts.

But I don't think Estelle Parsons was ever a regular cast member, was she?

According to IMDB, she was on 59 episodes. That seems semi-regular, at least.

And since there are no restrictions on how many times the B movies can be used, there's no harm in including her anyway.

Maybe she was a regular during the godawful last season, when the show was totally unwatchable.

[mellytu74]

I may have tried a little too hard to get Melly's line into the puzzle!

I am thinking, then, that we have a movie with the wrong Deschannel sister.

Because, while Zoe Deschannel is in The Happening, Ryan O'Neal (B41. Paper Moon) plays the father of "Bones" on Bones. But that's Emily Deschannel, not Zoe.

I appreciate the effort, smiler.

Also, Paul Dooley was Sherry Stringfield's dad on ER.

Smiler has confirmed that we already have the right 20 tv shows. So Bones can't figure in. We have to work with the 20 we have.

He's also confirmed that Ice Age isn't on here twice. So we need a different ER star besides Anthony Edwards.

And since Ordinary People seems certain to be the one that's on here twice, that means that Finding Nemo can't be.

I went back and re-read the comment about the TV shows. As soon as he said he tried to get my line i n, I thought immediately of Emily Deschannel. But, yeah, we have the tV shows, so I don't know.

[franktangredi]

I am thinking, then, that we have a movie with the wrong Deschannel sister.

Because, while Zoe Deschannel is in The Happening, Ryan O'Neal (B41. Paper Moon) plays the father of "Bones" on Bones. But that's Emily Deschannel, not Zoe.

I appreciate the effort, smiler.

Also, Paul Dooley was Sherry Stringfield's dad on ER.

Smiler has confirmed that we already have the right 20 tv shows. So Bones can't figure in. We have to work with the 20 we have.

He's also confirmed that Ice Age isn't on here twice. So we need a different ER star besides Anthony Edwards.

And since Ordinary People seems certain to be the one that's on here twice, that means that Finding Nemo can't be.

I went back and re-read the comment about the TV shows. As soon as he said he tried to get my line i n, I thought immediately of Emily Deschannel. But, yeah, we have the tV shows, so I don't know.

The only currently unmatched movies are The Happening and What's Up, Doc?

In addition, Finding Nemo and Ordinary People are currently each used twice, and only one of them should be.

And only ER is missing a cast member. (Assuming that the correct match for Ice Age was indeed Ray Romano, which seems logical.)

So somebody from either The Happening or What's Up, Doc? is here to fill in the missing cast member of ER.

And the other person from either The Happening or What's Up, Doc? is here to fill in the redundant Finding Nemo or Ordinary People slot -- which means either The Mary Tyler Moore Show (unlikely), Taxi, Malcolm in the Middle, or Everybody Loves Raymond.

[smilergrogan]

Checking IMDB, it appears the ER person was in 47 fewer episodes of ER than Estelle Parsons was in episodes of Roseanne.

Sorry. I blame Melly. Why did she have to have such a quotable line?

[mellytu74]

Checking IMDB, it appears the ER person was in 47 fewer episodes of ER than Estelle Parsons was in episodes of Roseanne.

Sorry. I blame Melly. Why did she have to have such a quotable line?

I think John Leguizamo was in ER.

[franktangredi]

Checking IMDB, it appears the ER person was in 47 fewer episodes of ER than Estelle Parsons was in episodes of Roseanne.

Sorry. I blame Melly. Why did she have to have such a quotable line?

I think John Leguizamo was in ER.

Robert Prosky of Broadcast News played Kirstie Alley's father on Cheers.

[mellytu74]

I must to bed.

Have fun, kids.

[Weyoun]

Glad to see progress on this. Nothing to add off the top of my head - but I'll dwell on it.

[NellyLunatic1980]

Checking IMDB, it appears the ER person was in 47 fewer episodes of ER than Estelle Parsons was in episodes of Roseanne.

Sorry. I blame Melly. Why did she have to have such a quotable line?

I think John Leguizamo was in ER.

Yes, he was. He played Dr. Clemente for one season a couple of years ago.

[franktangredi]

The only currently unmatched movie from List A is What's Up, Doc?

In addition, Finding Nemo and Ordinary People are currently each used twice, and only one of them should be.

So somebody from What's Up, Doc? is here to fill in the redundant Finding Nemo or Ordinary People slot -- which means either The Mary Tyler Moore Show , Taxi, Malcolm in the Middle, or Everybody Loves Raymond. Most likely one of the latter two. Kenneth Mars? Sorrell Booke? Mabel Albertson? Austin Pendleton?

Each of the shows below needs at least two parents from List B. There is no limit on how many parents one show can get, or how many times any movie on List B can be used.

ER
Anthony Edwards (A26. Revenge Of The Nerds) and John Leguizamo (A1. The Happening)
Parents: Paul Dooley (B27. Breaking Away); Sally Field (B39. Forrest Gump); John Cullum (B38. 1776)

EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND
Ray Romano (A24. Ice Age) and Brad Garrett (A36. Finding Nemo)
Parents: Peter Boyle (B2. Young Frankenstein); Doris Roberts (B23. The Taking Of Pelham One Two Three)

TAXI
Judd Hirsch (A4. Ordinary People) and Danny DeVito (A16. Ruthless People)
Parents: Jack Gilford (B46. A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum); Victor Buono (B8. Whatever Happened To Baby Jane)

BEWITCHED
Elizabeth Montgomery (A28. The Court Martial Of Billy Mitchell) and Dick York (A21. Inherit The Wind)
Parents: Agnes Moorehead (B22. Johnny Belinda); Maurice Evans (B30. Planet Of The Apes)

SEINFELD
Michael Richards (A39. Unstrung Heroes) and Jason Alexander (A38. Shallow Hal)
Parents: Jerry Stiller (B23 The Taking Of Pelham One Two Three)

HOME IMPROVEMENT
Tim Allen (A9. Galaxy Quest) and Jonathan Taylor Thomas (A33. Tom and Huck)
Parents: M. Emmet Walsh (B35. The Jerk); Polly Holliday (B6. Gremlins)

LOST
Naveen Andrews (A15. The English Patient) and Dominic Monaghan (A32. The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring)
Parents:

THE BOB NEWHART SHOW
Bob Newhart (A23. Catch-22) and Suzanne Pleshette (A7. The Birds)
Parents: John Randolph (B7. Prizzi's Honor); Martha Scott (B42. Our Town)

MAD ABOUT YOU
Paul Reiser (A6. Diner) and Helen Hunt (A11. As Good As It Gets)
Parents: Carroll O’Connor (B40. Kelly's Heroes); Carol Burnett (B15. Annie)

FRASIER
David Hyde Pierce (A13. Nixon) and Jane Leeves (A8. James And The Giant Peach)
Parents: John Mahoney (B48. Eight Men Out); Brian Cox (B44. Zodiac)

CHEERS
Shelley Long (A25. The Brady Bunch Movie) and Woody Harrelson (A14. The People Vs Larry Flynt)
Parents: Frances Sternhagen (B31. Misery); Robert Prosky (B1. Broadcast News)

THREE’S COMPANY
John Ritter (A19. Sling Blade) and Don Knotts (A30. It's A Mad Mad Mad Mad World)
Parents:

DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES
Teri Hatcher (A12. Tomorrow Never Dies) and Kyle MacLachlan (A27. Blue Velvet)
Parents:

WILL & GRACE
Debra Messing (A18. The Wedding Date) and Megan Mullally (A2. Stealing Harvard)
Parents: Debbie Reynolds (B47. Singin' In The Rain); Sydney Pollack (B16. Michael Clayton)

THE SOPRANOS
James Gandolfini (A3. The Man Who Wasn't There) and Lorraine Bracco (A34. Goodfellas)
Parents: Joseph Siravo (B13. Carlito's Way); Nancy Marchand (B36. The Naked Gun: From The Files Of Police Squad)

FRIENDS
Courteney Cox (A17. Scream) and David Schwimmer (A29. Six Days, Seven Nights)
Parents: Elliott Gould (B26. Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice)

ROSEANNE
John Goodman (A22. The Big Lebowski) and Laurie Metcalf (A35. Desperately Seeking Susan)
Parents: Estelle Parsons (B12. Bonnie And Clyde); Shelley Winters (B49. Alfie); Ned Beatty (B10. Deliverance)

THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW"
Mary Tyler Moore (A4. Ordinary People) and Edward Asner (A31. JFK)
Parents: Nanette Fabray (B50. The Band Wagon); Harold Gould (B3. The Sting); Nancy Walker (B32. Murder By Death)

MALCOLM IN THE MIDDLE
Frankie Muniz (A5. My Dog Skip) and Erik Per Sullivan (A36. Finding Nemo)
Parents:

MURPHY BROWN
Candice Bergen (A37. Carnal Knowledge) and Lily Tomlin (A20. Nashville)
Parents: Colleen Dewhurst (B34. Annie Hall); Darren McGavin (B37. A Christmas Story)

List A
*A1. The Happening
*A2. Stealing Harvard
*A3. The Man Who Wasn't There
**A4. Ordinary People
*A5. My Dog Skip
*A6. Diner
*A7. The Birds
*A8. James And The Giant Peach
*A9. Galaxy Quest
A10. What's Up, Doc?
*A11. As Good As It Gets
*A12. Tomorrow Never Dies
*A13. Nixon
*A14. The People Vs Larry Flynt
*A15. The English Patient
*A16. Ruthless People
*A17. Scream
*A18. The Wedding Date
*A19. Sling Blade
*A20. Nashville
*A21. Inherit The Wind
*A22. The Big Lebowski
*A23. Catch-22
*A24. Ice Age
*A25. The Brady Bunch Movie
*A26. Revenge Of The Nerds
*A27. Blue Velvet
*A28. The Court Martial Of Billy Mitchell
*A29. Six Days, Seven Nights
*A30. It's A Mad Mad Mad Mad World
*A31. JFK
*A32. The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring
*A33. Tom And Huck
*A34. Goodfellas
*A35. Desperately Seeking Susan
**A36. Finding Nemo
*A37. Carnal Knowledge
*A38. Shallow Hal
*A39. Unstrung Heroes

List B
*B1. Broadcast News
*B2. Young Frankenstein
*B3. The Sting
B4. On The Waterfront
B5. Brazil
*B6. Gremlins
*B7. Prizzi's Honor
*B8. Whatever Happened To Baby Jane
B9. The Running Man
*B10. Deliverance
B11. Dangerous Liaisons
*B12. Bonnie And Clyde
*B13. Carlito's Way
B14. Midnight Cowboy
*B15. Annie
*B16. Michael Clayton
B17. Tremors
B18. Cheech & Chong's Up In Smoke
B19. For my money, one of the most memorable movie war scenes is the one in this film showing a young soldier weeping while firing and reloading his rifle
B20. Matewan
B21. Reservoir Dogs
*B22. Johnny Belinda
**B23. The Taking Of Pelham One Two Three
B24. Victor/Victoria
B25. Cape Fear
*B26. Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice
*B27. Breaking Away
B28. 2010: Odyssey Two
B29. Best In Show
*B30. Planet Of The Apes
*B31. Misery
*B32. Murder By Death
B33. Meet The Parents
*B34. Annie Hall
*B35. The Jerk
*B36. The Naked Gun: From The Files Of Police Squad
*B37. A Christmas Story
*B38. 1776
*B39. Forrest Gump
*B40. Kelly's Heroes
B41. Paper Moon
*B42. Our Town
B43. Volunteers
*B44. Zodiac
B45. The Producers
*B46. A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum
*B47. Singin' In The Rain
*B48. Eight Men Out
*B49. Alfie
*B50. The Band Wagon

[NellyLunatic1980]

Kenneth Mars had a recurring role in "Malcolm in the Middle". So take out Erik Per Sullivan.

[franktangredi]

Kenneth Mars had a recurring role in "Malcolm in the Middle". So take out Erik Per Sullivan.

Great! That completes the top half of the puzzle!

[NellyLunatic1980]

Michael Gross played Noah Wyle's father on a few episodes of "ER", so we can add him and "Tremors" to that list.

[NellyLunatic1980]

Didn't Eva Marie Saint ("On the Waterfront") play Roz's mother on "Frasier"?

[NellyLunatic1980]

Going back to Katherine Helmond ("Brazil"), she played Debra's mother on "Everybody Loves Raymond". Robert Culp ("Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice") played Debra's father. I believe we could also include Fred Willard ("Best in Show") in the "Raymond" list because he played the father of Brad Garrett's wife.

[NellyLunatic1980]

A few more before I leave:

Blythe Danner ("Meet the Parents") played Will's mother on "W&G".

Dick Shawn ("The Producers") played Jack's father on "Three's Company".

Bob Balaban ("2010") played Phoebe's father on "Friends".

[plasticene]

Cheech Marin (B18) is Hurley's father on "Lost".

[plasticene]

Googling confirms that John Terry, who plays Jack's father Christian Shephard from "Lost", is the other answer. I won't spoil any more; someone will know what movie he was in.

[plasticene]

Teri Garr ("Young Frankenstein") played Phoebe's mother on "Friends".

[plasticene]

And Cloris Leachman ("Young Frankenstein") was Lois's mother on "Malcolm in the Middle".

[plasticene]

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