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Mueller has delivered his report
If it exonerates Donny, he’ll order it released, policy be damned. But that’s not what I’m expecting.
The House voted unanimously to call for its release. It was a nonbinding vote, though. —Bob
The House voted unanimously to call for its release. It was a nonbinding vote, though. —Bob
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There are supposedly no more indictments coming, so I can't imagine how damaging it will be.
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Adam Schiff. Bless his lil searching for validation heart.
Well, then
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It is a Prosecuter's report, bob-tel. It is not a Judge's or jury's decision. I know the MSM will never bother to explain that. If you are not too far off the deep end, can you dispassionately and objectively tell us what that really means?
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A bunch of f'ing kindergartners didn't win at kickball so they accused the other side of cheating, when in fact, they cheated and STILL lost.
There was no collusion, never was, no one (with any intelligence) thought there was. This shows how irresponsible and dangerous to the country the Democratic Party has become.
There was no collusion, never was, no one (with any intelligence) thought there was. This shows how irresponsible and dangerous to the country the Democratic Party has become.
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Hoe do you know what the report says? There’s no way Mueller could indict Donny no matter what he found. Justice Department policy prevents it.BackInTex wrote:A bunch of f'ing kindergartners didn't win at kickball so they accused the other side of cheating, when in fact, they cheated and STILL lost.
There was no collusion, never was, no one (with any intelligence) thought there was. This shows how irresponsible and dangerous to the country the Democratic Party has become.
If the whole report is released, I’ll believe it. Anything less and we’ll know that Donny’s refusal to order Attorney General Barr to release it means he has something to hide. —Bob
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I have to say I'm disappointed that there are apparently no new indictments coming out from Mueller's task force. But they had been giving off indications for months that they were ramping down and handing over investigations to other state and federal prosecutors. It didn't take the New York prosecutors to release a bunch of new indictments against Paul Manafort. So, we'll have to see what shakes out in the next few weeks.Bob78164 wrote: If the whole report is released, I’ll believe it. Anything less and we’ll know that Donny’s refusal to order Attorney General Barr to release it means he has something to hide. —Bob
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I'd expect a lay person to think such things, but someone who claims to be a pretty good lawyer should know better. There are (and if not, should be after two years of "investigations") lots of things in the report that should never be seen by the public in a country where due process is the law of the land. Just as in grand jury testimony, many things have not been subject to cross examination and released in its preliminary and one-sided stage would be misinterpreted by most as proof of guilt. Of course that is what you seem to want, but then you don't seem to really value the concepts of innocent until proven guilty or due process for those that have differing opinions from you (therefor I'll ad free speech to the things I don't think you don't really value).Bob78164 wrote: If the whole report is released, I’ll believe it. Anything less and we’ll know that Donny’s refusal to order Attorney General Barr to release it means he has something to hide. —Bob
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Trump has made this public by his incessant and repeated characterizations of this investigation as a "hoax" and a "witch hunt." Leaving this report confidential fosters that interpretation.BackInTex wrote: There are (and if not, should be after two years of "investigations") lots of things in the report that should never be seen by the public in a country where due process is the law of the land. Just as in grand jury testimony, many things have not been subject to cross examination and released in its preliminary and one-sided stage would be misinterpreted by most as proof of guilt.
The public does have a right to know the extent to which the Trump campaign collaborated with the Russian government. They certainly have a right to know the full extent to which Russian interference went on.
Innocent until proven guilty is a standard applied in a criminal trial. Having information necessary to judge the conduct of a political administration in order to make an informed decision is a different matter. The Republicans certainly had no qualms about dragging Hillary Clinton through multiple public hearings on her conduct in regard to Benghazi.
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Just as I suspected from an 'ethical' lawyer. You are so blinded by your trump hatred that you can't even entertain the question I put to you. Mueller acted as a prosecuter. He was trying to gather facts to be used to prosecute whomever he determined broke the law. If he decided there were enough facts to actually prosecute someone, he would indict them, and then the accused would be entitled to go through the legal process to defend themselves.Bob78164 wrote:Hoe do you know what the report says? There’s no way Mueller could indict Donny no matter what he found. Justice Department policy prevents it.BackInTex wrote:A bunch of f'ing kindergartners didn't win at kickball so they accused the other side of cheating, when in fact, they cheated and STILL lost.
There was no collusion, never was, no one (with any intelligence) thought there was. This shows how irresponsible and dangerous to the country the Democratic Party has become.
If the whole report is released, I’ll believe it. Anything less and we’ll know that Donny’s refusal to order Attorney General Barr to release it means he has something to hide. —Bob
The Mueller report is what the PROSECUTION has found. None of the determinations, witnesses or anything else have been put through any cross examination, and any testimony to the grand jury was made under the assumption that it would remain confidential until when or if the process moved forward into indictment.
You know all this. So do the 'ethical' lawyers in congress and in the press that are calling for the full release of the prosecution's side. The main point that we know at this point is that no one is to be indicted for anything to do with the original reason that Comey forced the creation of this fiasco in the first place: the vague notion of 'Russian Collusion by the trump campaign'. That should be the end of it. But the whole reason we have paid for almost 2 years of this investigation is political. And the politics will go on. There are too many people like you that have your kind of 'ethics' that have somehow have been given power. And propaganda works.
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You don’t get to play the waste-of-time card, the politically-motivated investigation card, or the no-charges-were-filed-against-Donny-and-that-should-be-good-enough-for-the-public-card. Rhetorical question alert: Would you have been okay with the following story? Or would you have thought Congressional Republicans were overstepping?
FBI Director Comey announced today that the FBI had concluded its investigation of Secretary Clinton’s e-mail practices and that he was recommending no charges be filed. He said that, in accordance with Justice Department policy, he would report his findings and the basis for his conclusions to Attorney General Lynch in a confidential report. Director Comey stated that he would have no further comment on the matter.
Attorney General Lynch declined to make the report public and President Obama declined to order her to do so, both stating that with the investigation’s closure with no charges being filed against anyone, the public knew everything it needed to know. The President and the Attorney General also noted that the reason for this policy was to protect the reputation of individuals who would have no opportunity to defend themselves in court because no charges were being filed. Congressional leaders would be offered a classified briefing.
Congressional Republicans vowed to obtain the report and make it public. However, President Obama stated that he would invoke privilege to resist ny such attempts, ensuring a protracted legal battle. He also stated that on the advice of Attorney General Lynch, he would instruct Director Comey to refuse to answer questions concerning the investigation on the basis of privilege. In the absence of yet another in a series of seemingly interminable leaks from the FBI, the resulting legal battle was not expected to be resolved before the election. —Bob
FBI Director Comey announced today that the FBI had concluded its investigation of Secretary Clinton’s e-mail practices and that he was recommending no charges be filed. He said that, in accordance with Justice Department policy, he would report his findings and the basis for his conclusions to Attorney General Lynch in a confidential report. Director Comey stated that he would have no further comment on the matter.
Attorney General Lynch declined to make the report public and President Obama declined to order her to do so, both stating that with the investigation’s closure with no charges being filed against anyone, the public knew everything it needed to know. The President and the Attorney General also noted that the reason for this policy was to protect the reputation of individuals who would have no opportunity to defend themselves in court because no charges were being filed. Congressional leaders would be offered a classified briefing.
Congressional Republicans vowed to obtain the report and make it public. However, President Obama stated that he would invoke privilege to resist ny such attempts, ensuring a protracted legal battle. He also stated that on the advice of Attorney General Lynch, he would instruct Director Comey to refuse to answer questions concerning the investigation on the basis of privilege. In the absence of yet another in a series of seemingly interminable leaks from the FBI, the resulting legal battle was not expected to be resolved before the election. —Bob
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You do realize that the House UNANIMOUSLY voted for the report’s release, don’t you? What is Donny afraid of? —Bobflockofseagulls104 wrote:Just as I suspected from an 'ethical' lawyer. You are so blinded by your trump hatred that you can't even entertain the question I put to you. Mueller acted as a prosecuter. He was trying to gather facts to be used to prosecute whomever he determined broke the law. If he decided there were enough facts to actually prosecute someone, he would indict them, and then the accused would be entitled to go through the legal process to defend themselves.Bob78164 wrote:Hoe do you know what the report says? There’s no way Mueller could indict Donny no matter what he found. Justice Department policy prevents it.BackInTex wrote:A bunch of f'ing kindergartners didn't win at kickball so they accused the other side of cheating, when in fact, they cheated and STILL lost.
There was no collusion, never was, no one (with any intelligence) thought there was. This shows how irresponsible and dangerous to the country the Democratic Party has become.
If the whole report is released, I’ll believe it. Anything less and we’ll know that Donny’s refusal to order Attorney General Barr to release it means he has something to hide. —Bob
The Mueller report is what the PROSECUTION has found. None of the determinations, witnesses or anything else have been put through any cross examination, and any testimony to the grand jury was made under the assumption that it would remain confidential until when or if the process moved forward into indictment.
You know all this. So do the 'ethical' lawyers in congress and in the press that are calling for the full release of the prosecution's side. The main point that we know at this point is that no one is to be indicted for anything to do with the original reason that Comey forced the creation of this fiasco in the first place: the vague notion of 'Russian Collusion by the trump campaign'. That should be the end of it. But the whole reason we have paid for almost 2 years of this investigation is political. And the politics will go on. There are too many people like you that have your kind of 'ethics' that have somehow have been given power. And propaganda works.
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Aside from the fact that it is the law that the report is submitted to the Attorney General and that person decides what gets released to the public, I have no problem with everything being released to the public and to congress.Bob78164 wrote:You do realize that the House UNANIMOUSLY voted for the report’s release, don’t you? What is Donny afraid of? —Bobflockofseagulls104 wrote:Just as I suspected from an 'ethical' lawyer. You are so blinded by your trump hatred that you can't even entertain the question I put to you. Mueller acted as a prosecuter. He was trying to gather facts to be used to prosecute whomever he determined broke the law. If he decided there were enough facts to actually prosecute someone, he would indict them, and then the accused would be entitled to go through the legal process to defend themselves.Bob78164 wrote:Hoe do you know what the report says? There’s no way Mueller could indict Donny no matter what he found. Justice Department policy prevents it.
If the whole report is released, I’ll believe it. Anything less and we’ll know that Donny’s refusal to order Attorney General Barr to release it means he has something to hide. —Bob
The Mueller report is what the PROSECUTION has found. None of the determinations, witnesses or anything else have been put through any cross examination, and any testimony to the grand jury was made under the assumption that it would remain confidential until when or if the process moved forward into indictment.
You know all this. So do the 'ethical' lawyers in congress and in the press that are calling for the full release of the prosecution's side. The main point that we know at this point is that no one is to be indicted for anything to do with the original reason that Comey forced the creation of this fiasco in the first place: the vague notion of 'Russian Collusion by the trump campaign'. That should be the end of it. But the whole reason we have paid for almost 2 years of this investigation is political. And the politics will go on. There are too many people like you that have your kind of 'ethics' that have somehow have been given power. And propaganda works.
However, any reasonable observer of congress and the MSM will know that they will use and abuse anything they find in that report that they can to advance their agenda. That is the ONLY reason they want it. I hope the AG has that in mind, but whatever he does, it is not done. If he releases it all, the dems and the press will have a field day in cherry picking. If he doesn't, the dems and the press will accuse him of withholding evidence of whatever delusional conspiracy they can concoct.
That is why it's a no win situation. All that time and money was for nothing.
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Well, if you don't count the numerous indictments and convictions or guilty pleas and the pretty much incontrovertible evidence of Russian tampering in a presidential election, which we know so far, then I guess you could say it was all for nothing.flockofseagulls104 wrote:
That is why it's a no win situation. All that time and money was for nothing.
Not counting whatever else comes out over the next months.
It's also interesting that the king of "Fake News" proclamations on this Bored is now beating the drum for a claim of wasted time and full vindication based solely on an anonymous source in the Justice Department. If that same anonymous source said all kinds of bad things about Trump, you'd be screaming fake news at the top of your lungs.
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Here is the gist of Barr's letter to Congress:
(1) There are no more sealed indictments from the Special Counsel.
(2) There is no specific mention of what matters were referred to other offices for further action or what, if any, indictments may have been issued or will be issued by those other offices.
(3) Direct quote from the Report: "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
(4) There were two main Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election, first through the Internet Research Agency to conduct a disinformation campaign. The investigation did not find that any U.S. person or Trump campaign official or associate conspired or knowingly coordinated with the IRA.
(5) The second Russian effort was computer hacking of the Clinton campaign and Democratic committee. The Special Counsel did not that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with the Russian government despite "multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."
(6) The Special Counsel did not draw a conclusion whether Trump's activities constituted obstruction of justice. Instead, the report sets forth the evidence on both sides of the issue on the various activities that might constitute obstruction and leaves unresolved whether these did or did not constitute obstruction. From the Report: "while this Report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
(7) Mueller referred the decision whether to prosecute for obstruction to Barr and Rosenstein. Those two determined that the evidence was not sufficient to establish that the President committed obstruction of justice. They based this on the evidence and not any constitutional considerations of whether the President could in fact be charged with such a crime.
(8) Barr indicates that he intends to make the report public as soon as he determines what material is based on grand jury evidence that cannot be made public or what evidence impacts other investigations that have been referred to other offices for further investigation.
https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democ ... ittees.pdf
I admit I was wrong about what Mueller would find if allowed to pursue his investigation, and everything indicates he has investigated this thoroughly.
Whether or not there's material that will come out as these "other matters" come into play has yet to be determined. My personal feeling is that some of them may be made public very soon, as other prosecutors have been waiting for the Mueller report before going public. It took the Manhattan DA one day to release sealed charages against Manafort after his last sentencing.
(1) There are no more sealed indictments from the Special Counsel.
(2) There is no specific mention of what matters were referred to other offices for further action or what, if any, indictments may have been issued or will be issued by those other offices.
(3) Direct quote from the Report: "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
(4) There were two main Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election, first through the Internet Research Agency to conduct a disinformation campaign. The investigation did not find that any U.S. person or Trump campaign official or associate conspired or knowingly coordinated with the IRA.
(5) The second Russian effort was computer hacking of the Clinton campaign and Democratic committee. The Special Counsel did not that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with the Russian government despite "multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."
(6) The Special Counsel did not draw a conclusion whether Trump's activities constituted obstruction of justice. Instead, the report sets forth the evidence on both sides of the issue on the various activities that might constitute obstruction and leaves unresolved whether these did or did not constitute obstruction. From the Report: "while this Report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
(7) Mueller referred the decision whether to prosecute for obstruction to Barr and Rosenstein. Those two determined that the evidence was not sufficient to establish that the President committed obstruction of justice. They based this on the evidence and not any constitutional considerations of whether the President could in fact be charged with such a crime.
(8) Barr indicates that he intends to make the report public as soon as he determines what material is based on grand jury evidence that cannot be made public or what evidence impacts other investigations that have been referred to other offices for further investigation.
https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democ ... ittees.pdf
I admit I was wrong about what Mueller would find if allowed to pursue his investigation, and everything indicates he has investigated this thoroughly.
Whether or not there's material that will come out as these "other matters" come into play has yet to be determined. My personal feeling is that some of them may be made public very soon, as other prosecutors have been waiting for the Mueller report before going public. It took the Manhattan DA one day to release sealed charages against Manafort after his last sentencing.
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And in the same thread the King of Whataboutism pens a 241 word fantasy Whatabout story.silverscreenselect wrote: It's also interesting that the king of "Fake News" proclamations on this Bored is now beating the drum for a claim of wasted time and full vindication based solely on an anonymous source in the Justice Department. If that same anonymous source said all kinds of bad things about Trump, you'd be screaming fake news at the top of your lungs.
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It was widely reported by every source that there were no more indictments forthcoming. I felt safe going with that.BackInTex wrote:And in the same thread the King of Whataboutism pens a 241 word fantasy Whatabout story.silverscreenselect wrote: It's also interesting that the king of "Fake News" proclamations on this Bored is now beating the drum for a claim of wasted time and full vindication based solely on an anonymous source in the Justice Department. If that same anonymous source said all kinds of bad things about Trump, you'd be screaming fake news at the top of your lungs.
It is so nice of you to admit you were wrong, especially after the innumerable times you told us 'just wait for Mueller the Magnificent. He's going to indict everyone'.
You parroted every left leaning idiot out there. How many times did they tell us Mueller or Rosenstein were going to be fired. Now you're hanging your hopes that somehow you can use Comey's firing as obstruction, when everyone of your ilk was yelling for him to be fired and it was Rosenstein who recommended it. You need to stop while you're behind , but you won't. Anyone who's disappointed the President was not indicted is a jerk. All of you.
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You quoted me. I don't think you were talking to or about me.flockofseagulls104 wrote:It was widely reported by every source that there were no more indictments forthcoming. I felt safe going with that.BackInTex wrote:And in the same thread the King of Whataboutism pens a 241 word fantasy Whatabout story.silverscreenselect wrote: It's also interesting that the king of "Fake News" proclamations on this Bored is now beating the drum for a claim of wasted time and full vindication based solely on an anonymous source in the Justice Department. If that same anonymous source said all kinds of bad things about Trump, you'd be screaming fake news at the top of your lungs.
It is so nice of you to admit you were wrong, especially after the innumerable times you told us 'just wait for Mueller the Magnificent. He's going to indict everyone'.
You parroted every left leaning idiot out there. How many times did they tell us Mueller or Rosenstein were going to be fired. Now you're hanging your hopes that somehow you can use Comey's firing as obstruction, when everyone of your ilk was yelling for him to be fired and it was Rosenstein who recommended it. You need to stop while you're behind , but you won't. Anyone who's disappointed the President was not indicted is a jerk. All of you.
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No, I was addressing aSSShole directly and all the trump haters generally. They have driven this 'Russian Collusion' thing from the start, not out of any real concern that trump worked with putin to get elected. They knew that didn't happen. They continued on with it for purely political reasons. They drone on and on about trump dividing the country. But it is them that cause and continue driving division. And we all know they won't stop. It is they who are accomplishing what putin was after.BackInTex wrote:You quoted me. I don't think you were talking to or about me.flockofseagulls104 wrote:It was widely reported by every source that there were no more indictments forthcoming. I felt safe going with that.BackInTex wrote:
And in the same thread the King of Whataboutism pens a 241 word fantasy Whatabout story.
It is so nice of you to admit you were wrong, especially after the innumerable times you told us 'just wait for Mueller the Magnificent. He's going to indict everyone'.
You parroted every left leaning idiot out there. How many times did they tell us Mueller or Rosenstein were going to be fired. Now you're hanging your hopes that somehow you can use Comey's firing as obstruction, when everyone of your ilk was yelling for him to be fired and it was Rosenstein who recommended it. You need to stop while you're behind , but you won't. Anyone who's disappointed the President was not indicted is a jerk. All of you.
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Oh dear, poor boos.
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I'm glad you have insight into the minds of millions of people. I sure didn't "know" that there was no collusion with Russia, especially after the evidence of the various meetings that took place between the Trump people and Russians and the rather interesting dovetailing between Trump statements and hacking efforts. And Trump's kowtowing to Putin still doesn't set right.flockofseagulls104 wrote: They have driven this 'Russian Collusion' thing from the start, not out of any real concern that trump worked with putin to get elected. They knew that didn't happen.
The FBI didn't "know" there was no collusion either. They had started their own investigation into the Trump campaign well before Mueller took over and before Trump was ever elected. This started in July 2016 and was completely under the radar for months. Trump blew the whole thing up when he fired Comey. That led to the appointment of the special prosecutor.
That's one reason most of us want this report to be made public... to see what contacts were actually made and how Mueller eventually interpreted them.
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Oh, you're glad again. Surprise.silverscreenselect wrote:I'm glad you have insight into the minds of millions of people. I sure didn't "know" that there was no collusion with Russia, especially after the evidence of the various meetings that took place between the Trump people and Russians and the rather interesting dovetailing between Trump statements and hacking efforts. And Trump's kowtowing to Putin still doesn't set right.flockofseagulls104 wrote: They have driven this 'Russian Collusion' thing from the start, not out of any real concern that trump worked with putin to get elected. They knew that didn't happen.
The FBI didn't "know" there was no collusion either. They had started their own investigation into the Trump campaign well before Mueller took over and before Trump was ever elected. This started in July 2016 and was completely under the radar for months. Trump blew the whole thing up when he fired Comey. That led to the appointment of the special prosecutor.
That's one reason most of us want this report to be made public... to see what contacts were actually made and how Mueller eventually interpreted them.
Let's all go back and repost some of the things you said in the past couple years. You sure acted like you knew! Adam Schiff knew. He said he had incontrovertible evidence of it. So did many other of your 'leaders'.
All of you, all of you. You clamored for Comey to be fired long before trump acted on Rosenstein's recommendation. And Comey himself admitted he deliberately leaked to his friend in order to get a special prosecutor. And the team he put together was full of democrat sympathizers. And STILL, after 2 years, millions of taxpayer dollars, hundreds of witnesses, badgering and witness bullying, they found NO EVIDENCE of anything to prosecute. You should stop. But you won't, no matter what further damage you do. Because you don't care about your country, only your party. Just like the old USSR. In a just country, there should be consequences for some people. But the swamp is still entrenched, so it won't happen.
Well, let's just do a brief search:
This indicates that Mueller has been keeping a very tight lid on his investigation, and there's no telling what other bombshells he's going to be trotting out in the not too distant future.
It's still too early for a BINGO, but keep your cards. There will be more coming.
I'm eagerly awaiting to see how Flock, Pat Buchanan (I'm giving Flock a break but not mentioning his usual fellow traveler here), and the other Trump water carriers will turn this into part of the Mueller/Hillary Deep State conspiracy against Trump.
This just means that Mueller didn't want to tip his hand at this particular time. I'm not sure how many, if any, of these Russians can actually be brought to trial in the U.S., but my feeling is that any of them who are arrested won't have much compunction about flipping on Kushner, Trump Jr., or anyone else. The easiest way to prove that an "unwitting" member of the Trump campaign was in fact quite witting will be for one of them to flip.
This was just Mueller's first move (and, again, it's one that no one was predicting).
They won't flip because there is no one to flip on.
This is one post I'm definitely going to bookmark for future reference.
Well, Mueller is getting that much closer to the prize. Gates cops a plea today and agrees to cooperate.
I don't think it's just Manafort he's going to testify against either; you don't hit someone with a 32-count indictment in the hopes that a co-defendant will turn on him.
The big fish is the great orange whale.
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So the idea that the Russian government engaged in widespread and rather sophisticated efforts to influence the US presidential election doesn't bother you, and you say that all I care about is my party. Until Mueller brought that out into the open (and indicted a bunch of Russians), a lot of people dismissed that notion.flockofseagulls104 wrote: And STILL, after 2 years, millions of taxpayer dollars, hundreds of witnesses, badgering and witness bullying, they found NO EVIDENCE of anything to prosecute. You should stop. But you won't, no matter what further damage you do. Because you don't care about your country, only your party.
And it's your statement that there was "no evidence" of anything to prosecute. Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michael Cohen, and Roger Stone would disagree with you there. Leaving that aside, that's not what Barr's letter said. Directly quoting the Report, he said "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities." That's not the same thing as "no evidence"; that's the standard a prosecutor uses in determining whether to bring a prosecution, which I've read is that he believes there is an 85% chance of getting a conviction.
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silverscreenselect wrote:So the idea that the Russian government engaged in widespread and rather sophisticated efforts to influence the US presidential election doesn't bother you, and you say that all I care about is my party. Until Mueller brought that out into the open (and indicted a bunch of Russians), a lot of people dismissed that notion.flockofseagulls104 wrote: And STILL, after 2 years, millions of taxpayer dollars, hundreds of witnesses, badgering and witness bullying, they found NO EVIDENCE of anything to prosecute. You should stop. But you won't, no matter what further damage you do. Because you don't care about your country, only your party.
And it's your statement that there was "no evidence" of anything to prosecute. Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michael Cohen, and Roger Stone would disagree with you there. Leaving that aside, that's not what Barr's letter said. Directly quoting the Report, he said "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities." That's not the same thing as "no evidence"; that's the standard a prosecutor uses in determining whether to bring a prosecution, which I've read is that he believes there is an 85% chance of getting a conviction.
Yeah, that bothers me. It didn't seem to bother Obama, though. It didn't seem to bother the dems until they realized they could use it against trump. And this 2-year witch hunt has done nothing to prevent it from happening again. And what about Naomi? (I mean China). They have been doing it more and better than Russia.So the idea that the Russian government engaged in widespread and rather sophisticated efforts to influence the US presidential election doesn't bother you
Where did you read that? From the same place that had headlines saying "Rosenstein about to be fired"? "Trump to fire Mueller"?I've read is that he believes there is an 85% chance of getting a conviction.
Absolutely nothing to do with russian collusion.Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michael Cohen, and Roger Stone would disagree with you there.
See. You will not stop.
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You know, I am uncomfortable in addressing you as aSSShole. Even though you are one until you apologize for implying that I am guilty of racism by your stupid concept of what racism is. I will stop doing that. You are now Polly. Because all you do is learn and repeat the propaganda that is fed to you. You don't do any critical thinking, yet you accuse those that do of doing exactly what you do. That is your main and prevalent debating tactic.
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Re: Mueller has delivered his report
Attorney General Barr summarizes the Mueller Report by saying the “evidence does not establish” that Donny or his campaign committed the crime of conspiring with the Russian government. Of course, Director Comey could have summarized his findings by saying that the “evidence does not establish” that Secretary Clinton committed a crime with respect to her handling of classified information. And of course, Director Comey expressly stated that Secretary Clinton’s testimony was truthful whereas Mueller expressly refused to exonerate Donny of obstruction of justice.
We need to see the whole report. Relying on a political appointee’s summary is just bullshit. —Bob
We need to see the whole report. Relying on a political appointee’s summary is just bullshit. —Bob
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