Changes in 'Stating the obvious'

[BackInTex]

A bear still shits in the woods but no longer so sure the Pope is Catholic.

I wonder what Wintergreen thinks of all the things the new Pope is saying and doing.

[Bob Juch]

A bear still shits in the woods but no longer so sure the Pope is Catholic.

I wonder what Wintergreen thinks of all the things the new Pope is saying and doing.

It looks like, unlike most folks who call themselves Christians, he's actually following the teachings of Jesus.

[BackInTex]

A bear still shits in the woods but no longer so sure the Pope is Catholic.

I wonder what Wintergreen thinks of all the things the new Pope is saying and doing.

It looks like, unlike most folks who call themselves Christians, he's actually following the teachings of Jesus.

Once again you prove you don't have a clue.

John 14:6. Jesus answered "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Pope Francis (paraphrasing)"Do good and follow your conscious and you can get to heaven, even without believing in heaven."

Bob, believe in the Bible or not, but clearly what Francis is teaching is not what, according to the Bible, Jesus taught.

[silverscreenselect]

Bob, believe in the Bible or not, but clearly what Francis is teaching is not what, according to the Bible, Jesus taught.

Perhaps Francis got on the hot line with his boss to get some clarification.

On a more serious note, it's my understanding that a lot of Christian belief today is based on the teachings of Paul, who never met Jesus' during Jesus' life. Now, if Paul can have visions of a meeting with Jesus which lead him to writing some of the Gospels Christians believe in today, why can't Francis have similar visions (or insights) which lead him to his own interpretation of Christianity?

[Hale Bopper]

Bob, believe in the Bible or not, but clearly what Francis is teaching is not what, according to the Bible, Jesus taught.

Perhaps Francis got on the hot line with his boss to get some clarification.

On a more serious note, it's my understanding that a lot of Christian belief today is based on the teachings of Paul, who never met Jesus' during Jesus' life. Now, if Paul can have visions of a meeting with Jesus which lead him to writing some of the Gospels Christians believe in today, why can't Francis have similar visions (or insights) which lead him to his own interpretation of Christianity?

I've had visions from Above, too! Glad to see I finally get some credibility....

[PontiffPolycarpPengo]

Now those cardinals are going to regret not choosing a more qualified candidate....

[SportsFan68]

A bear still shits in the woods but no longer so sure the Pope is Catholic.

I wonder what Wintergreen thinks of all the things the new Pope is saying and doing.

It looks like, unlike most folks who call themselves Christians, he's actually following the teachings of Jesus.

Once again you prove you don't have a clue.

John 14:6. Jesus answered "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Pope Francis (paraphrasing)"Do good and follow your conscious and you can get to heaven, even without believing in heaven."

Bob, believe in the Bible or not, but clearly what Francis is teaching is not what, according to the Bible, Jesus taught.

I read through a couple summaries of the extensive Jesuit journal La Civilta Cattolica interview, and I can't find anything that would paraphrase into the above statement, BiT. If he had said anything like that, I bet the Cardinals would be scrambling for some way to throw the bum out.

I too would appreciate Wintergreen's take on Pope Francis's recent statements.

[DevilKitty100]

I'm just always in awe that people argue about stuff like this. Boggles my mind.

[SportsFan68]

I'm just always in awe that people argue about stuff like this. Boggles my mind.

I believe that's Pope Francis's point. I think he's saying something like, we've talked this over until we're shriveled. Let's get to work.

[franktangredi]

It looks like, unlike most folks who call themselves Christians, he's actually following the teachings of Jesus.

Once again you prove you don't have a clue.

John 14:6. Jesus answered "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Pope Francis (paraphrasing)"Do good and follow your conscious and you can get to heaven, even without believing in heaven."

Bob, believe in the Bible or not, but clearly what Francis is teaching is not what, according to the Bible, Jesus taught.

I read through a couple summaries of the extensive Jesuit journal La Civilta Cattolica interview, and I can't find anything that would paraphrase into the above statement, BiT.

You don't have the patented Strawman Translator App.

[jarnon]

A bear still shits in the woods but no longer so sure the Pope is Catholic.

I wonder what Wintergreen thinks of all the things the new Pope is saying and doing.

It looks like, unlike most folks who call themselves Christians, he's actually following the teachings of Jesus.

Once again you prove you don't have a clue.

John 14:6. Jesus answered "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Pope Francis (paraphrasing)"Do good and follow your conscious and you can get to heaven, even without believing in heaven."

Bob, believe in the Bible or not, but clearly what Francis is teaching is not what, according to the Bible, Jesus taught.

BiT, I think you're paraphrasing newspaper accounts rather than Pope Francis's actual words. Whenever a Pope mentions atheists, the press tries to read into it something about them going to heaven. (Guess what: the atheists don't care). Here's what he really said about atheists:

The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! "Father, the atheists?” Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class! We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all! And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, if we do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: we need that so much. We must meet one another doing good. "But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!” But do good: we will meet one another there.

He encourages atheists to do good deeds, here on earth, and Catholics to join them. Nothing about heaven. I can't find what Pope Francis said about who gets to heaven, but I think he's said that Jesus make those decisions, based on information that we can't know fully.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect works as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward-reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

[Bob Juch]

Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect works as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward-reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

Thanks, I had been thinking it was forgetting the name of the producer of Kelly Ripa's show.

[BackInTex]

BiT, I think you're paraphrasing newspaper accounts rather than Pope Francis's actual words. Whenever a Pope mentions atheists, the press tries to read into it something about them going to heaven.

You are correct. I was paraphrasing an inaccurate reporting of his words. I read the actual quote from the Pope and agree with others here that he was not saying what was misinterpreted by the press accounts (and repeated by me). Thanks for posting.

[jarnon]

I'm sure Wintergreen has read what the Pope's said too, and I'd like to know what he thinks.

[mrkelley23]

BiT, I think you're paraphrasing newspaper accounts rather than Pope Francis's actual words. Whenever a Pope mentions atheists, the press tries to read into it something about them going to heaven.

You are correct. I was paraphrasing an inaccurate reporting of his words. I read the actual quote from the Pope and agree with others here that he was not saying what was misinterpreted by the press accounts (and repeated by me). Thanks for posting.

But....wait.....that's not how the internet works. You're supposed to get all defensive, and then quote of bunch of other tertiary sources you've Googled that support your original message, then refuse to post any more in this thread. This whole graceful acceptance that you might have been mistaken stuff is just, just wrong.

[jarnon]

The Archbishop of Philadelphia, Charles Chaput, regarded as a conservative, has stated that he has no problem with Pope Francis's leadership.

Chaput to Catholics: Don't use Francis to 'further own agendas'

The list of Church leaders who will be promoted to Cardinal in 2014 will be released next month. Archbishops of Philadelphia have always become Cardinals. Pope Francis is expected to attend the World Conference of Families in Philadelphia in 2015.

[a1mamacat]

BiT, I think you're paraphrasing newspaper accounts rather than Pope Francis's actual words. Whenever a Pope mentions atheists, the press tries to read into it something about them going to heaven.

You are correct. I was paraphrasing an inaccurate reporting of his words. I read the actual quote from the Pope and agree with others here that he was not saying what was misinterpreted by the press accounts (and repeated by me). Thanks for posting.

But....wait.....that's not how the internet works. You're supposed to get all defensive, and then quote of bunch of other tertiary sources you've Googled that support your original message, then refuse to post any more in this thread. This whole graceful acceptance that you might have been mistaken stuff is just, just wrong.

FOMENTER!!!

[jarnon]

Another surprising pronouncement. Pope Francis's disapproval of gay marriage is well-known and long-standing. But he has told Catholic educators to take care with children of relationships that the Church opposes (such as divorced and gay couples), so as not to alienate them.

Pope calls for new approach to kids of gay, divorced parents

[jarnon]

The Archbishop of Philadelphia, Charles Chaput, regarded as a conservative, has stated that he has no problem with Pope Francis's leadership.

Chaput to Catholics: Don't use Francis to 'further own agendas'

The list of Church leaders who will be promoted to Cardinal in 2014 will be released next month. Archbishops of Philadelphia have always become Cardinals. Pope Francis is expected to attend the World Conference of Families in Philadelphia in 2015.

Archbishop Chaput didn't make the list. No American archbishops did. Better luck in 2015.