Game #149: Hollywood Hookers

[mellytu74]

Here's a picture of Jackie with his pimp:

Gee, thanks, Frank.

[smilergrogan]

I'm waiting for someone to notice something.

It must be significant that all the actors are male.

I keep thinking about co-stars.

There has to be something there -- co-stars who were prostitutes?

But how do you account for Skippy and Dumbo - unless there's a Jackie Cooper role I missed someplace.

I don't know about prostitutes, but with all the actors being male it seems likely that we'll be matching them with women from the movies list in some way. So maybe we should focus on movies that only had one significant female role - that's true of Breaking Away, Goodfellas, Topkapi (I think), The China Syndrome, Moneyball, and probably some others. Apocalypse Now didn't have any significant female roles (unless you count Miss January or whatever), but maybe Apocalypse Now isn't right.

[mellytu74]

Not only have Walter Catlett, Dumbo and Jackie Cooper been bothering me ....

We got Raoul Walsh.

I can think of two movies Raoul Walsh made as an actor. One is Birth of a Nation, where he was John Wilkes Booth.

The other is Sadie Thompson, where Gloria Swanson most definitely is a prostitute.

Now. I don't see a Gloria Swanson movie on this list BUT Lionel Barrymore played the Rev. Davidson in Sadie Thompson and there are a couple of Lionel Barrymore movies on this list.

It can't be all coincidence.

But I am so confused.

[Catfish]

I'm waiting for someone to notice something.

It must be significant that all the actors are male.

I keep thinking about co-stars.

There has to be something there -- co-stars who were prostitutes?

But how do you account for Skippy and Dumbo - unless there's a Jackie Cooper role I missed someplace.

I think Dumbo's mother was a prostitute.

[mellytu74]

But how do you account for Skippy and Dumbo - unless there's a Jackie Cooper role I missed someplace.

I think Dumbo's mother was a prostitute.

I just snorted water through my nose! ROTFLMAO!

[mellytu74]

Could we looking at something besides prostitutes for hooker?

Like pirates or General Hooker. Or something?

[franktangredi]

Could we looking at something besides prostitutes for hooker?

Like pirates or General Hooker. Or something?

Don't obsess too much about the title. It will make sense when you know the Tangredi, but it probably won't help you figure out the Tangredi.

And, yes, the fact that all the actors are male is what I was waiting for someone to notice.

[frogman042]

mellytu74 wrote:
B-20. “Alright, alright. Think of it like this: jump ahead, ten, twenty years, okay, and you're married. Only your marriage doesn't have that same energy that it used to have, y'know. You start to blame your husband. You start to think about all those guys you've met in your life and what might have happened if you'd picked up with one of them, right? Well, I'm one of those guys. That's me y'know, so think of this as time travel, from then, to now, to find out what you're missing out on. See, what this really could be is a gigantic favor to both you and your future husband to find out that you're not missing out on anything. I'm just as big a loser as he is, totally unmotivated, totally boring, and, uh, you made the right choice, and you're really happy.”

BEFORE SUNRISE

Duh - of course - I should have gotten it - as I knew I heard it before - Linkletter's Before Trilogy is one of my favorite trilogy movies.

Given that it is basically a 2 person movie (yes there are other minor characters, it is really just Ethan Hawke (Jesse) and Julie Deply (Celine) that leaves us with a limited options (IMHO) on the Tangredi

The actors in list A have numerous roles and potential co-stars. If we start with the movies in list B, take the leading lady and match them with a movie that they appeared in with someone in list A - maybe - for example, Judy Garland in Babes in Arms would go with Robert Walker (if he is correct in the Criss-Cross clue) where he marries Judy in 'The Clock' - i.e they hooked up in that movie.

Any other ideas or possibilities?

[mrkelley23]

Seems to me there's a slight difference in the instructions for this puzzle. Don't know if it's significant, but Frank usually says how many pairs, triples, etc. will be made under the Tangredi. This time, he says pair one actor with one movie, and says there could be alternate solutions, which certainly seems to be the case with all the alternate movies that will still allow for a solution.

So what if it's not a set of 30 discrete pairs, but pairs that are interrelated somehow, like Actor A pairs with movie B, which pairs back with actor C, who pairs to a different movie D, and so on. This kind of daisy chain is an idea I"ve toyed with trying to do before, but could never come up with a way to make it work. But I wouldn't put it past Frank to be able to pull it off. The reason there could be only one complete solution is the movie or movies with a very narrow cast, as frogman pointed out. They would provide the chokepoints that would allow for only one correct solution.

[franktangredi]

Seems to me there's a slight difference in the instructions for this puzzle. Don't know if it's significant, but Frank usually says how many pairs, triples, etc. will be made under the Tangredi. This time, he says pair one actor with one movie, and says there could be alternate solutions, which certainly seems to be the case with all the alternate movies that will still allow for a solution.

So what if it's not a set of 30 discrete pairs, but pairs that are interrelated somehow, like Actor A pairs with movie B, which pairs back with actor C, who pairs to a different movie D, and so on. This kind of daisy chain is an idea I"ve toyed with trying to do before, but could never come up with a way to make it work. But I wouldn't put it past Frank to be able to pull it off. The reason there could be only one complete solution is the movie or movies with a very narrow cast, as frogman pointed out. They would provide the chokepoints that would allow for only one correct solution.

If there's a change in the instructions, that was quite inadvertent. I usually specify the number when it doesn't strictly conform to the number of clues because of answers used more than once. In this case, there are exactly 60 pairs.

[mellytu74]

Seems to me there's a slight difference in the instructions for this puzzle. Don't know if it's significant, but Frank usually says how many pairs, triples, etc. will be made under the Tangredi. This time, he says pair one actor with one movie, and says there could be alternate solutions, which certainly seems to be the case with all the alternate movies that will still allow for a solution.

So what if it's not a set of 30 discrete pairs, but pairs that are interrelated somehow, like Actor A pairs with movie B, which pairs back with actor C, who pairs to a different movie D, and so on. This kind of daisy chain is an idea I"ve toyed with trying to do before, but could never come up with a way to make it work. But I wouldn't put it past Frank to be able to pull it off. The reason there could be only one complete solution is the movie or movies with a very narrow cast, as frogman pointed out. They would provide the chokepoints that would allow for only one correct solution.

If there's a change in the instructions, that was quite inadvertent. I usually specify the number when it doesn't strictly conform to the number of clues because of answers used more than once. In this case, there are exactly 60 pairs.

Rats, because I was doodling with the daisy chain, too.

[franktangredi]

The most important statement relating to the Tangredi was made by Melly in an earlier post.

[Bob Juch]

The most important statement relating to the Tangredi was made by Melly in an earlier post.

Could we looking at something besides prostitutes for hooker?

[mrkelley23]

The phrase "doodling with the daisy chain," read to me by me in melly's "supposed" voice, made me laugh out loud.

I agree that prostitutes is too obvious, and Frank has already said as much. I wonder if melly's comments about Raoul Walsh are even more revealing, however.

A-33 must be DUSTIN DIAMOND, aka Screech from Saved by the Bell. I didn't really think of those guys as "child actors," but Diamond was only in 5th grade when he began playing Screech. And he has certainly had many run-ins with the law, and claims to be broke.

B-23 is THE MUMMY, Brendan Fraser version.

B-35 is SUCKER PUNCH

B-47 is indeed a car movie, but it turns out to be GONE IN 60 SECONDS


One item of interest I found while researching these last few answers: Ben Whishaw made a movie called Bright Star, about the last romance of John Keats, in which his co-star was Abby Cornish, who was billed highly in Sucker Punch.

[Pastor Fireball]

A-33 must be DUSTIN DIAMOND, aka Screech from Saved by the Bell. I didn't really think of those guys as "child actors," but Diamond was only in 5th grade when he began playing Screech. And he has certainly had many run-ins with the law, and claims to be broke.

The age in the clue fits with him, although he just turned 38 yesterday.

His inclusion in this game is also interesting, because he hasn't been in many films where he wasn't playing either himself or Screech.

[mellytu74]

I'm at the hairdresser.

I mentioned we were stuck on this.

They suggested EDWARD FURLONGS as the domestic violence guy.

[mrkelley23]

EDWARD FURLONG is indeed correct. The hairdresser clients know their domestic violence perps.

That opens up a few more big-name movies than Screech does, for sure.

[mellytu74]

EDWARD FURLONG is indeed correct. The hairdresser clients know their domestic violence perps.

Have InTouch, People, OK magazines, will travel.

I threw it out there. My cousin Lisa's daughter, Melanie, does my hair. The daughter of a friend from grade school (Eileen) has the chair next to her on one side and a young hairdresser is on the other side.

I said, "Do you know any former child stars who have had repeated rehabs and domestic violence arrests? We're working on a puzzle on the Millionaire Message Bored and we're kinda stumped."

Corey Feldman was the first name. I said he was wrong. Then, Eileen says, "I bet it's the Terminator kid. He's always in trouble."

And, indeed, it is.

[mellytu74]

With Edward Furlong, I think we have all the actors (although did we decide Robert Walker vs. Danny DeVito?)

Even with Mr. K's contributions, we are missing a few movies.

Game #149: Hollywood Hookers

Identify the 60 actors in List A and the 60 movies in List B. (Every other clue is a quotation.) Then, pair one actor with one movie according to a Tangredi, or principle you must discover for yourself. No name or movie will be used twice.

Alternate matches are probable, but only one solution will complete the game.

LIST A: ACTORS

A-1. RONALD REAGAN
A-2. ORSON WELLES
A-3. JOHN HURT
A-4. BRAD PITT
A-5. RAYMOND MASSEY
A-6. HARRISON FORD
A-7. SIDNEY POITIER
A-8. DANIEL DAY-LEWIS
A-9. NIGEL BRUCE
A-10. VAL KILMER
A-11. RAOUL WALSH
A-12. ALAN ARKIN
A-13. JOHN BELUSHI
A-14. MEL GIBSON
A-15. JOEL MCCREA
A-16. KEVIN SPACEY
A-17. WALTER CATLETT
A-18. DENZEL WASHINGTON
A-19. RICHARD ATTENBOROUGH
A-20. BRUCE WILLIS
A-21. BEN WHITSHAW
A-22. ROBERT STACK
A-23. CLIFF ROBERTSON
A-24. DUSTIN HOFFMAN
A-25. REX HARRISON
A-26. RUSSELL CROWE
A-27. WALLACE BEERY
A-28. SYLVESTER STALLONE
A-29. ELLIOTT GOULD
A-30. ANTHONY HOPKINS
A-31. TOM DRAKE
A-32. CARY GRANT
A-33. EDWARD FURLONG
A-34. CLIFTON WEBB
A-35. JOHN MALKOVICH
A-36. PHIL HARRIS
A-37. BILLY CONNOLLY
A-38. ED HARRIS
A-39. MICHAEL CLARKE DUNCAN
A-40. ROBIN WILLIAMS
A-41. NIGEL TERRY
A-42. GREGORY PECK
A-43. PAUL LEMAT
A-44. WARREN OATES
A-45. E.G. MARSHALL
A-46. DONALD SUTHERLAND
A-47. WILLIAM DANIELS
A-48. AL PACINO
A-49. BRANDON DEWILDE
A-50. KENAU REEVES
A-51. ERROL FLYNN
A-52. RALPH FINNES
A-53. RICHARD ROUNTREE
A-54. JACK LEMMON
A-55. WARREN BEATTY
A-56. GARY COOPER
A-57. BRUCE DERN
A-58. ROBERT WALKER (did we determine this is Walker vs DeVito – real Strangers on a Train or its homage?)
A-59. CHARLTON HESTON
A-60. SPENCER TRACY

LIST B: MOVIES

B-1. Two thousand actual soldiers were paid $3.50 apiece to shave their heads for their appearance as extras in this Oscar-winning film.

APOCALYPSE NOW? THE TEN COMMANDMENTS?

B-2. PSYCHO

B-3. A prominent composer/lyricist went on record as saying that this was the only screen adaptation of one of his stage musicals that he liked. (Whether that’s still true, we don’t know yet.)

A LITTLE NIGHT MUSIC? SWEENEY TODD?

B-4. DOUBLE INDEMNITY
B-5. THE VIRGIN SPRING
B-6. DALLAS BUYERS CLUB

B-7. Based on a novel by Graham Greene, it was Lieutenant Columbo’s favorite movie.

THE THIRD MAN?

B-8. LOCAL HERO
B-9. THE CHINA SYNDROME
B-10. DUMBO
B-11. CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND
B-12. THE PINK PANTHER
B-13. TOPKAPI
B-14. BABES IN ARMS
B-15. THE COLLECTOR
B-16. THE NEVERENDING STORY
B-17. THE GETAWAY
B-18. GOODFELLAS

B-19. The original ads for this satirical comedy invited us to “consider the possibilities.”
BOB & CAROL & TED & ALICE? LORD LOVE A DUCK?

B-20. BEFORE SUNRISE
B-21. WRITTEN ON THE WIND
B-22. ALIEN
B-23 is THE MUMMY
B-24. BILL AND TED’S EXCELLENT ADVENTURE

B-25. The brothers who played the title roles in this movie died a little over a year apart, at the ages of 85 and 86.

B-26. HUD
B-27. WAIT UNTIL DARK
B-28. BEST EXOTIC MARIGOLD HOTEL
B-29. PINKY
B-30. LABYRINTH
B-31. LA NOTTE
B-32. MARTY
B-33. WAY DOWN EAST
B-34. BLUE VELVET
B-35. SUCKER PUNCH
B-36. SAVING MR. BANKS

B-37. This Oscar winner was the first movie to include scenes shot on location at Bellevue Hospital.

LOST WEEKEND? THE GODFATHER?

B-38. FURY
B-39. THE ACCUSED
B-40. LOVE AND DEATH
B-41. DAVID COPPERFIELD
B-42. BREAKING AWAY
B-43. YEAR OF LIVING DANGEROUSLY
B-44. WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT
B-45. SKIPPY
B-46. KILL BILL (VOLUME 1)
B-47. GONE IN 60 SECONDS
B-48. TRUE LIES
B-49. SUPERMAN RETURNS
B-50. THE GRADUATE
B-51. SINCE YOU WENT AWAY
B-52. QUIZ SHOW

B-53. This film was based on the only novel by the first American to win the Nobel Prize for Literature to win the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction. Got that?

ARROWSMITH? DODWORTH? ELMER GANTRY? BABBITT?

B-54. SAY ANYTHING
B-55. HELLO, DOLLY!
B-56. REAR WINDOW
B-57. ROSEMARY’S BABY
B-58. MONEYBALL
B-59. DAY FOR NIGHT
B-60. CASABLANCA

[mellytu74]

B-7. Based on a novel by Graham Greene, it was Lieutenant Columbo’s favorite movie.

THE THIRD MAN?

I didn't know this. But Boonie did.

THIS GUN FOR HIRE.

Which I either didn't know or completely forgot that Greene wrote it.

[franktangredi]

Yes, you have all the actors. You can leave the Walker/DeVito issue for now, although I would definitely be more likely to use that quote for one of them than the other.

Only one of the movies with alternates doesn't include the correct answer. (Lieutenant Columbo's favorite movie has been identified since this consolidation.)

Two things have now been pointed out that should lead to the Tangredi. When you spot that connection, you'll see how the title of the game works.

Good going!

With Edward Furlong, I think we have all the actors (although did we decide Robert Walker vs. Danny DeVito?)

Even with Mr. K's contributions, we are missing a few movies.

Game #149: Hollywood Hookers

Identify the 60 actors in List A and the 60 movies in List B. (Every other clue is a quotation.) Then, pair one actor with one movie according to a Tangredi, or principle you must discover for yourself. No name or movie will be used twice.

Alternate matches are probable, but only one solution will complete the game.

LIST A: ACTORS

A-1. RONALD REAGAN
A-2. ORSON WELLES
A-3. JOHN HURT
A-4. BRAD PITT
A-5. RAYMOND MASSEY
A-6. HARRISON FORD
A-7. SIDNEY POITIER
A-8. DANIEL DAY-LEWIS
A-9. NIGEL BRUCE
A-10. VAL KILMER
A-11. RAOUL WALSH
A-12. ALAN ARKIN
A-13. JOHN BELUSHI
A-14. MEL GIBSON
A-15. JOEL MCCREA
A-16. KEVIN SPACEY
A-17. WALTER CATLETT
A-18. DENZEL WASHINGTON
A-19. RICHARD ATTENBOROUGH
A-20. BRUCE WILLIS
A-21. BEN WHITSHAW
A-22. ROBERT STACK
A-23. CLIFF ROBERTSON
A-24. DUSTIN HOFFMAN
A-25. REX HARRISON
A-26. RUSSELL CROWE
A-27. WALLACE BEERY
A-28. SYLVESTER STALLONE
A-29. ELLIOTT GOULD
A-30. ANTHONY HOPKINS
A-31. TOM DRAKE
A-32. CARY GRANT
A-33. EDWARD FURLONG
A-34. CLIFTON WEBB
A-35. JOHN MALKOVICH
A-36. PHIL HARRIS
A-37. BILLY CONNOLLY
A-38. ED HARRIS
A-39. MICHAEL CLARKE DUNCAN
A-40. ROBIN WILLIAMS
A-41. NIGEL TERRY
A-42. GREGORY PECK
A-43. PAUL LEMAT
A-44. WARREN OATES
A-45. E.G. MARSHALL
A-46. DONALD SUTHERLAND
A-47. WILLIAM DANIELS
A-48. AL PACINO
A-49. BRANDON DEWILDE
A-50. KENAU REEVES
A-51. ERROL FLYNN
A-52. RALPH FINNES
A-53. RICHARD ROUNTREE
A-54. JACK LEMMON
A-55. WARREN BEATTY
A-56. GARY COOPER
A-57. BRUCE DERN
A-58. ROBERT WALKER (did we determine this is Walker vs DeVito – real Strangers on a Train or its homage?)
A-59. CHARLTON HESTON
A-60. SPENCER TRACY

LIST B: MOVIES

B-1. Two thousand actual soldiers were paid $3.50 apiece to shave their heads for their appearance as extras in this Oscar-winning film.

APOCALYPSE NOW? THE TEN COMMANDMENTS?

B-2. PSYCHO

B-3. A prominent composer/lyricist went on record as saying that this was the only screen adaptation of one of his stage musicals that he liked. (Whether that’s still true, we don’t know yet.)

A LITTLE NIGHT MUSIC? SWEENEY TODD?

B-4. DOUBLE INDEMNITY
B-5. THE VIRGIN SPRING
B-6. DALLAS BUYERS CLUB

B-7. Based on a novel by Graham Greene, it was Lieutenant Columbo’s favorite movie.

THE THIRD MAN?

B-8. LOCAL HERO
B-9. THE CHINA SYNDROME
B-10. DUMBO
B-11. CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND
B-12. THE PINK PANTHER
B-13. TOPKAPI
B-14. BABES IN ARMS
B-15. THE COLLECTOR
B-16. THE NEVERENDING STORY
B-17. THE GETAWAY
B-18. GOODFELLAS

B-19. The original ads for this satirical comedy invited us to “consider the possibilities.”
BOB & CAROL & TED & ALICE? LORD LOVE A DUCK?

B-20. BEFORE SUNRISE
B-21. WRITTEN ON THE WIND
B-22. ALIEN
B-23 is THE MUMMY
B-24. BILL AND TED’S EXCELLENT ADVENTURE

B-25. The brothers who played the title roles in this movie died a little over a year apart, at the ages of 85 and 86.

B-26. HUD
B-27. WAIT UNTIL DARK
B-28. BEST EXOTIC MARIGOLD HOTEL
B-29. PINKY
B-30. LABYRINTH
B-31. LA NOTTE
B-32. MARTY
B-33. WAY DOWN EAST
B-34. BLUE VELVET
B-35. SUCKER PUNCH
B-36. SAVING MR. BANKS

B-37. This Oscar winner was the first movie to include scenes shot on location at Bellevue Hospital.

LOST WEEKEND? THE GODFATHER?

B-38. FURY
B-39. THE ACCUSED
B-40. LOVE AND DEATH
B-41. DAVID COPPERFIELD
B-42. BREAKING AWAY
B-43. YEAR OF LIVING DANGEROUSLY
B-44. WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT
B-45. SKIPPY
B-46. KILL BILL (VOLUME 1)
B-47. GONE IN 60 SECONDS
B-48. TRUE LIES
B-49. SUPERMAN RETURNS
B-50. THE GRADUATE
B-51. SINCE YOU WENT AWAY
B-52. QUIZ SHOW

B-53. This film was based on the only novel by the first American to win the Nobel Prize for Literature to win the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction. Got that?

ARROWSMITH? DODWORTH? ELMER GANTRY? BABBITT?

B-54. SAY ANYTHING
B-55. HELLO, DOLLY!
B-56. REAR WINDOW
B-57. ROSEMARY’S BABY
B-58. MONEYBALL
B-59. DAY FOR NIGHT
B-60. CASABLANCA

[franktangredi]

B-25. The brothers who played the title roles in this movie died a little over a year apart, at the ages of 85 and 86.

If I tell you that the brother who died at the age of 85 died first, that might tell you a little something more about these brothers. And that may give you the movie.

[frogman042]

B-25. The brothers who played the title roles in this movie died a little over a year apart, at the ages of 85 and 86.

After eliminating several brother pairs (The Barrymores, The Berrys, James Arness and Peter Graves, Charlie and Sidney Chaplin, the Marx Bros. and the Ritz Brothers) I started to think backwards about movies which most likely contained brothers whose characters would both be in the title (the Seven Little Foys didn't pan out) and then it dawned on me:

The Prince and the Pauper would fit the bill and low and behold in the Errol Flynn version, the title characters where played by Robert and Billy Mauch who died at ages 86 and 85.

So it must be the 1937 version of the Prince and the Pauper.

[frogman042]

Frank wrote: "Among the movies, only one of the definites is wrong, and that one doesn't matter because the wrong answer that's there works just as well as the right one."

This seems to me to indicate it can't be based on an anagram of the movie title in list B as well as a substring of the movies title (unless it is something like Aliens as opposed to Alien) if the two titles are different but either can work. If it is not a name connection then the two movies that would both work must have something else in common (cast member, director, producer, writer, etc.) so that either could work.

Frank, is it fair to ask if the wrong titled answer has been corrected or is it still wrong?

If it is not based on the title, which I'm guessing, then I would have to think we need to find someone associated with the movie in list B that somehow links with an actor in list A. I also think that given that all the actors in list A are male, that the connection is probably through a female associated with both the actor and the movie in list B.

That's all I've got for now.

[mellytu74]

I gave in and looked these up.

B-53. This film was based on the only novel by the first American to win the Nobel Prize for Literature to win the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction. Got that?

ARROWSMITH

B-19. The original ads for this satirical comedy invited us to “consider the possibilities.”

BOB & CAROL & TED & ALICE