Tariffs

[mrkelley23]

You are a cynic.

I am somehow simultaneously a cynic, and a babe in the woods who doesn't understand what propaganda is. In consecutive posts, no less.

That's okay. I'll take both. But it won't stop me from reminding you what we've done here.

"What we've done here" is hold an election which your side lost. Maybe give this one more than a few weeks.

I don't really have a choice, now do I?

As I said before, I will give it a few more weeks. And four years beyond that. But I'm done sitting on my hands. I will continue to point out the illegal, unConstitutional, and just plain reprehensible actions of this administration. I don't expect to change any minds. But I can't be silent any more.

[Beebs52]

Tada

[tlynn78]

I am somehow simultaneously a cynic, and a babe in the woods who doesn't understand what propaganda is. In consecutive posts, no less.

That's okay. I'll take both. But it won't stop me from reminding you what we've done here.

"What we've done here" is hold an election which your side lost. Maybe give this one more than a few weeks.

I don't really have a choice, now do I?

As I said before, I will give it a few more weeks. And four years beyond that. But I'm done sitting on my hands. I will continue to point out the illegal, unConstitutional, and just plain reprehensible actions of this administration. I don't expect to change any minds. But I can't be silent any more.

And how did you feel about the illegal, unConstitutional and just plain reprehensible actions of the previous administration? I guess sitting on your hands was comfy then. Potayto - Potahto.

[mrkelley23]

"What we've done here" is hold an election which your side lost. Maybe give this one more than a few weeks.

I don't really have a choice, now do I?

As I said before, I will give it a few more weeks. And four years beyond that. But I'm done sitting on my hands. I will continue to point out the illegal, unConstitutional, and just plain reprehensible actions of this administration. I don't expect to change any minds. But I can't be silent any more.

And how did you feel about the illegal, unConstitutional and just plain reprehensible actions of the previous administration? I guess sitting on your hands was comfy then. Potayto - Potahto.

Again, list, please? I can't respond if I don't know what you're talking about. And I really think you're thinking of things which dont' begin to compare in terms of scale. But maybe I'm wrong. Just cite the actions you think were like this, and maybe provide a source or an argument as to why you think so. I'll be happy to do the same.

I'm just trying to imagine if George Soros had come in with a team of engineers and locked everyone in the Department of Defense out of their computers and fired 3/4 of them.

[Beebs52]

Oh please. Soros has so many webs about...

[mrkelley23]

Proof? Did he walk into a government building with a team and lock federal employees out of their computers? Did he do anything other than donate money to political causes he agrees with, as guaranteed by the absolutely ludicrous SC decision known as Citizens United?

Still waiting for a direct answer to any of the questions I have asked. Some people here seem to be really good at deflecting or moving goalposts, but not so good at answering any direct questions.

[earendel]

"Tariffs won't work"
* Tariffs work
"Don't like that Tariffs work. Also, some people made money and some people lost money in the stock market, so Orange Man bad."

I think it would be fairer to say that the threat of tariffs works - depending, of course, upon what is meant by "works". During the campaign Trump said that tariffs would be used to help pay for child care and allow for lower taxes. But it all that is happening is that a threat is levied and then removed, I don't see how the tariffs "worked". Seems to me that what HAS been accomplished could easily have been done through other means.

But they never have. That's the difference.

Here's some of the things that HAVE been accomplished in, what? two weeks?

Mexico caved
Panama caved
Colombia caved
Venezuela caved
Canada panicking
Mass deportations
Hostages are home
DEI programs ended
Bureaucracy slashed
FBI purges are underway
USAID funding cancelled
Gender ideology eliminated
DOGE already saved billions
51 intel agents lost clearance
Border crossings drop by 93%
Reservoirs filled up in California

You may not agree with these things, but the vast majority of your fellow Americans voted for the guy who said very clearly that he was going to do these things. So I would advise you to sit back and see how it comes out in 4 years.
Unless your side decides to do a real insurrection.

Only a few of these are related to tariffs, which was the subject of this thread. And of those that are, I don't think alienating our closest neighbors is a wise thing to do.

[mrkelley23]

So who backed down in the Canada tariffs? Trudeau didn't agree to anything he hadn't already announced publicly.

Although I'm sure some folks will say that's just another example of Trump's amazing powers of persuasion.

[Beebs52]

The massive coming together of the majority of Canadians is heartening. We are so united as a country right now.

Groups on FB sharing Canadian made products vs US products. Blue sky posts supporting our actions, even some Twitter support.

Most premiers support retaliatory tariffs. My premier is targeting energy exports, liquor (from specifically red states), opening talks with other countries about our lumber and minerals. All government entities are to immediately stop buying anything from the US.

I care about and respect most of you here, and will interact on the main page, but for those die-hard supporters of Maga isolationism and cruelty, I pity you. Targeting your allies is so STUPID.

Other countries will cut the US off soon too, and it will take a lot to get any trade back. There is really no respect for the US in the world.

"Canada and Mexico, President Donald Trump agreed to delay them for one month after leaders from Canada and Mexico announced moves to ramp up security at their borders — averting, at least for now, tariffs that could have driven up prices for U.S. consumers and stalled the countries' economies.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wrote on social media Monday afternoon that Canada would be spending $1.3 billion on a plan to reinforce its border with new helicopters, technology and personnel, as well as additional resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Canada had announced its $1.3 billion border and immigration investment at the end of last year."

Dude. Ya gotta read up on shit.

[mrkelley23]

"Tariffs won't work"
* Tariffs work
"Don't like that Tariffs work. Also, some people made money and some people lost money in the stock market, so Orange Man bad."

I think it would be fairer to say that the threat of tariffs works - depending, of course, upon what is meant by "works". During the campaign Trump said that tariffs would be used to help pay for child care and allow for lower taxes. But it all that is happening is that a threat is levied and then removed, I don't see how the tariffs "worked". Seems to me that what HAS been accomplished could easily have been done through other means.

But they never have. That's the difference.

Here's some of the things that HAVE been accomplished in, what? two weeks?

Mexico caved
Panama caved
Colombia caved
Venezuela caved
Canada panicking
Mass deportations
Hostages are home
DEI programs ended
Bureaucracy slashed
FBI purges are underway
USAID funding cancelled
Gender ideology eliminated
DOGE already saved billions
51 intel agents lost clearance
Border crossings drop by 93%
Reservoirs filled up in California

You may not agree with these things, but the vast majority of your fellow Americans voted for the guy who said very clearly that he was going to do these things. So I would advise you to sit back and see how it comes out in 4 years.
Unless your side decides to do a real insurrection.

In summary, as I have pointed out, using your list above:

Mexico agreed to something they had already done.

Panama agreed to do something "in a year or two," with no written agreement.

Colombia accepted some migrants which they had done weekly under the Biden administration, as well. They just objected to the military flights.

Not sure how Venezuela caved. They appear to be committing to less than they did under the Biden administration. I'm open to sources proving me wrong, though.

Strangely, Canada doesn't seem to be panicking, at all. They do seem to be mightily pissed off at America, though.

Deportations are actually less for these two weeks than they were for several weeks in the Biden administration. And deportations under Biden were higher than Trump's first term.

One American hostage has been released from Gaza. The cease-fire is holding, and Trump deserves a lot of credit for the deal.

DEI programs have not been ended. A bunch of websites have had their wording changed. Trump doesn't even know that he is the one who allowed the most recent change to air traffic control policy to proceed.

Bureaucracy has not been slashed. An oligarch has locked a bunch of people out of their jobs, and taken way too much control of US governmental systems. But the amount of money that is going to be spent defending lawsuits against unlawful firings is going to dwarf any savings.

FBI purges? Ah, yes, I remember the good old days when Republicans were the party of law and order. Good luck with that, by the way. See my comment immediately above.

USAID funding does appear to be canceled, although we can disagree on the lawfulness of it, and whether that's a good thing or not. As has been noted by others, it's a major blow to US soft power.

Gender ideology is not a thing. And as far as eliminating it, see my comment on DEI above.

DOGE has not saved billions (I assume you mean dollars). We can argue this further when the balance sheets are finally available in a year or two. My guess is that average citizens like you and me won't be able to access them, though, given the lack of transparency so far.

intel agents may have lost clearance, and there's no doubt that Trump can do this legally. How it's a good thing without evidence of malfeasance, I'm not sure.

93% Where the heck are you getting your information? Maybe you're talking about from December 2023 to now? But most of that time is Biden's time, not Trump's. And I can't find any more recent information than August 2024. And all of those numbers are down the same or more than your own self-reported 93%.

The reservoirs in California. You're joking, right? Trump ordered the Army Corps of Engineers to release water from two reservoirs that don't come anywhere close to servicing Los Angeles County (that's where the fires actually were.) Instead, that water will likely be wasted when farmers were depending on it.

Got anything else?

[mrkelley23]

The massive coming together of the majority of Canadians is heartening. We are so united as a country right now.

Groups on FB sharing Canadian made products vs US products. Blue sky posts supporting our actions, even some Twitter support.

Most premiers support retaliatory tariffs. My premier is targeting energy exports, liquor (from specifically red states), opening talks with other countries about our lumber and minerals. All government entities are to immediately stop buying anything from the US.

I care about and respect most of you here, and will interact on the main page, but for those die-hard supporters of Maga isolationism and cruelty, I pity you. Targeting your allies is so STUPID.

Other countries will cut the US off soon too, and it will take a lot to get any trade back. There is really no respect for the US in the world.

"Canada and Mexico, President Donald Trump agreed to delay them for one month after leaders from Canada and Mexico announced moves to ramp up security at their borders — averting, at least for now, tariffs that could have driven up prices for U.S. consumers and stalled the countries' economies.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wrote on social media Monday afternoon that Canada would be spending $1.3 billion on a plan to reinforce its border with new helicopters, technology and personnel, as well as additional resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Canada had announced its $1.3 billion border and immigration investment at the end of last year."

Dude. Ya gotta read up on shit.

Dude. Trudeau announced this plan in December. You gotta read up on shit.

[tlynn78]

I don't really have a choice, now do I?

As I said before, I will give it a few more weeks. And four years beyond that. But I'm done sitting on my hands. I will continue to point out the illegal, unConstitutional, and just plain reprehensible actions of this administration. I don't expect to change any minds. But I can't be silent any more.

And how did you feel about the illegal, unConstitutional and just plain reprehensible actions of the previous administration? I guess sitting on your hands was comfy then. Potayto - Potahto.

Again, list, please? I can't respond if I don't know what you're talking about. And I really think you're thinking of things which dont' begin to compare in terms of scale. But maybe I'm wrong. Just cite the actions you think were like this, and maybe provide a source or an argument as to why you think so. I'll be happy to do the same.

I'm just trying to imagine if George Soros had come in with a team of engineers and locked everyone in the Department of Defense out of their computers and fired 3/4 of them.

Dammit - I swear I posted a list and it's not here. Redux:

Weaponizing the Justice Department.
51 "security experts" claiming the laptop was Russian disinformation
The laptop "hoax"
Biden's stack of documents, taken when he had no right to take them, found in his garage; it's all good, he's 'not mentally fit to be charged' but fine to be Prez
The Afghanistan withdrawal

Let's go back a bit further: I don't recall you having a problem sitting on your hands when it was discovered Hilz paid, with campaign contributions, a foreign agent to phony up a dossier on her political opponent, then used the fake dossier to illegally obtain warrants used to spy on her political opponent.

[Beebs52]

The massive coming together of the majority of Canadians is heartening. We are so united as a country right now.

Groups on FB sharing Canadian made products vs US products. Blue sky posts supporting our actions, even some Twitter support.

Most premiers support retaliatory tariffs. My premier is targeting energy exports, liquor (from specifically red states), opening talks with other countries about our lumber and minerals. All government entities are to immediately stop buying anything from the US.

I care about and respect most of you here, and will interact on the main page, but for those die-hard supporters of Maga isolationism and cruelty, I pity you. Targeting your allies is so STUPID.

Other countries will cut the US off soon too, and it will take a lot to get any trade back. There is really no respect for the US in the world.

"Canada and Mexico, President Donald Trump agreed to delay them for one month after leaders from Canada and Mexico announced moves to ramp up security at their borders — averting, at least for now, tariffs that could have driven up prices for U.S. consumers and stalled the countries' economies.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wrote on social media Monday afternoon that Canada would be spending $1.3 billion on a plan to reinforce its border with new helicopters, technology and personnel, as well as additional resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Canada had announced its $1.3 billion border and immigration investment at the end of last year."

Dude. Ya gotta read up on shit.

Dude. Trudeau announced this plan in December. You gotta read up on shit.

And,?

[mrkelley23]

And how did you feel about the illegal, unConstitutional and just plain reprehensible actions of the previous administration? I guess sitting on your hands was comfy then. Potayto - Potahto.

Again, list, please? I can't respond if I don't know what you're talking about. And I really think you're thinking of things which dont' begin to compare in terms of scale. But maybe I'm wrong. Just cite the actions you think were like this, and maybe provide a source or an argument as to why you think so. I'll be happy to do the same.

I'm just trying to imagine if George Soros had come in with a team of engineers and locked everyone in the Department of Defense out of their computers and fired 3/4 of them.

Dammit - I swear I posted a list and it's not here. Redux:

Weaponizing the Justice Department.
51 "security experts" claiming the laptop was Russian disinformation
The laptop "hoax"
Biden's stack of documents, taken when he had no right to take them, found in his garage; it's all good, he's 'not mentally fit to be charged' but fine to be Prez
The Afghanistan withdrawal

Let's go back a bit further: I don't recall you having a problem sitting on your hands when it was discovered Hilz paid, with campaign contributions, a foreign agent to phony up a dossier on her political opponent, then used the fake dossier to illegally obtain warrants used to spy on her political opponent.

Thank you for this. I appreciate the time and thought that went into it.

First, where we agree: the Afghanistan withdrawal was an absolute clusterfuck. Biden and his team deserve major criticism for that, especially for trying to shift blame to Trump. Yes, Trump made (yet another) bad deal with a bunch of terrorists and then made sure it happened after he left office, but Biden had plenty of time to make sure it was done correctly and in order. He did not. That's on him, and only him. Nothing in that clusterfuck, however, was illegal or unconstitutional. Reprehensible, maybe, in that people died who didn't have to. But that would be a major can of worms to open. And the Supreme Court has now decided that it was perfectly okay, along with all the other items in your list.

Weaponizing the Justice department is an opinion, not a fact. I would be more inclined to agree with you if anyone could point to solid evidence that Trump was persecuted without evidence. But everything I saw that led into any prosecution, whether it was either of the two impeachments or the criminal prosecutions after he left office, there was sufficient evidence of a crime. The only weaponizing I have seen is what has been promised by the Retribution President, and what I'm afraid the next four years are going to consist of.

The 51 security experts were not an official part of the Biden administration, any more than Musk is a part of the Trump administration. That's kind of like saying that all the false stories on Fox Opinion are part of the Trump administration.

I'm still not sure what to think about Hunter Biden's laptop. So much conflicting information out there, and so many opportunities for mischief. But what I do know is that it was HUNTER Biden's laptop, not Joe's. And Hunter was not part of the administration.

Biden's stack of documents, as with Bush's, Obama's, Clinton's, and Bush's, were not prosecuted because they WERE RETURNED WHEN ASKED FOR. If Trump had just returned the documents when requested, he never would have been pursued.

[mrkelley23]

And how did you feel about the illegal, unConstitutional and just plain reprehensible actions of the previous administration? I guess sitting on your hands was comfy then. Potayto - Potahto.

Again, list, please? I can't respond if I don't know what you're talking about. And I really think you're thinking of things which dont' begin to compare in terms of scale. But maybe I'm wrong. Just cite the actions you think were like this, and maybe provide a source or an argument as to why you think so. I'll be happy to do the same.

I'm just trying to imagine if George Soros had come in with a team of engineers and locked everyone in the Department of Defense out of their computers and fired 3/4 of them.

Dammit - I swear I posted a list and it's not here. Redux:

Weaponizing the Justice Department.
51 "security experts" claiming the laptop was Russian disinformation
The laptop "hoax"
Biden's stack of documents, taken when he had no right to take them, found in his garage; it's all good, he's 'not mentally fit to be charged' but fine to be Prez
The Afghanistan withdrawal

Let's go back a bit further: I don't recall you having a problem sitting on your hands when it was discovered Hilz paid, with campaign contributions, a foreign agent to phony up a dossier on her political opponent, then used the fake dossier to illegally obtain warrants used to spy on her political opponent.

Oh, and the Hillary Clinton thing? Your words are "phony up a dossier." Can you provide one assertion from the Steele dossier that has been conclusively disproven? Because I can provide several that have been supported with further evidence. This notion that the whole thing was just made up to harm Trump is just a false narrative. It should never have been published, that's true. The second half of your statement is not supported by any facts or evidence that I can find. If you have a source, I'd appreciate reading it.

[BackInTex]

Did someone mention the raid on Mar a Lago?

Oh, and Canada blinked.

[mrkelley23]

Did someone mention the raid on Mar a Lago?

Oh, and Canada blinked.

The "raid on Mar-a-Lago?" You mean that time that people realized Trump had retained a bunch of documents from his time as president and requested them back. And then he insisted he didn't have any? And then they got personal testimony and video evidence that not only did he have them, but he moved them around after the request? That "raid?" Nobody mentioned it yet. Was there a reason you wanted to?

And how in the world you can get that Canada blinked, when they did absolutely nothing that they hadn't already announced they would do, is being me.

[a1mamacat]

Did someone mention the raid on Mar a Lago?

Oh, and Canada blinked.

The "raid on Mar-a-Lago?" You mean that time that people realized Trump had retained a bunch of documents from his time as president and requested them back. And then he insisted he didn't have any? And then they got personal testimony and video evidence that not only did he have them, but he moved them around after the request? That "raid?" Nobody mentioned it yet. Was there a reason you wanted to?

And how in the world you can get that Canada blinked, when they did absolutely nothing that they hadn't already announced they would do, is being me.

Exactly mrkelley, the Prime Minister and President Biden had already set it in motion. The only change is the “fentanyl tzar” which is a trump is. Trump blinked shortly after the cancellation of the big Starlink contract with Ontario, and President Musk went crying to him about it. Also, there is a lot of energy resources that can be turned off, so he will keep blinking.

[a1mamacat]

Did someone mention the raid on Mar a Lago?

Oh, and Canada blinked.

The "raid on Mar-a-Lago?" You mean that time that people realized Trump had retained a bunch of documents from his time as president and requested them back. And then he insisted he didn't have any? And then they got personal testimony and video evidence that not only did he have them, but he moved them around after the request? That "raid?" Nobody mentioned it yet. Was there a reason you wanted to?

And how in the world you can get that Canada blinked, when they did absolutely nothing that they hadn't already announced they would do, is being me.

Exactly mrkelley, the Prime Minister and President Biden had already set it in motion. The only change is the “fentanyl tzar” which is a trumpism. Trump blinked shortly after the cancellation of the big Starlink contract with Ontario, and President Musk went crying to him about it. Also, there is a lot of energy resources that can be turned off, so he will keep blinking.

[flockofseagulls104]

I am somehow simultaneously a cynic, and a babe in the woods who doesn't understand what propaganda is. In consecutive posts, no less.

That's okay. I'll take both. But it won't stop me from reminding you what we've done here.

"What we've done here" is hold an election which your side lost. Maybe give this one more than a few weeks.

I don't really have a choice, now do I?

As I said before, I will give it a few more weeks. And four years beyond that. But I'm done sitting on my hands. I will continue to point out the illegal, unConstitutional, and just plain reprehensible actions of this administration. I don't expect to change any minds. But I can't be silent any more.

Late onset TDS....

[Weyoun]

The massive coming together of the majority of Canadians is heartening. We are so united as a country right now.

Groups on FB sharing Canadian made products vs US products. Blue sky posts supporting our actions, even some Twitter support.

Most premiers support retaliatory tariffs. My premier is targeting energy exports, liquor (from specifically red states), opening talks with other countries about our lumber and minerals. All government entities are to immediately stop buying anything from the US.

I care about and respect most of you here, and will interact on the main page, but for those die-hard supporters of Maga isolationism and cruelty, I pity you. Targeting your allies is so STUPID.

Other countries will cut the US off soon too, and it will take a lot to get any trade back. There is really no respect for the US in the world.

"Canada and Mexico, President Donald Trump agreed to delay them for one month after leaders from Canada and Mexico announced moves to ramp up security at their borders — averting, at least for now, tariffs that could have driven up prices for U.S. consumers and stalled the countries' economies.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wrote on social media Monday afternoon that Canada would be spending $1.3 billion on a plan to reinforce its border with new helicopters, technology and personnel, as well as additional resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Canada had announced its $1.3 billion border and immigration investment at the end of last year."

Dude. Ya gotta read up on shit.

That’s great. He’s pissed off Canada to fix a nonexistent problem.

If I were Spock, I would lecture you about having WISDOM and understanding the long-term implications.

Of course, soon, Canada will have a different administration, probably a little bit more aligned with Trump. Things will settle down a bit, but the Canadiens will not forget.

In the meantime, outstanding work. We fixed the Canadian fentanyl problem that did not exist, and the simple folks will crow being some great win, because they are constantly let around by what Twitter says, even though they came to be above such manipulation

[Weyoun]

Here’s another Trump “victory.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/03/climate/ ... sNHeZqlZNA

Completely meaningless act given where we’re at with the fires. It’ll give farmers - his voters - problems this summer. But he’ll claim a win anyway, and his supporters will retweet

[BackInTex]

Also, there is a lot of energy resources that can be turned off, so he will keep blinking.

Really? Explain. Explain how they can shut down the oil sands. Because they can't. Explain where that very heavy crude will go to be refined? Who will buy it? The only path out of Alberta is to the US because your province refused to allow a pipeline to be built across it to the Pacific where it could be shipped to world markets. Nope, it's pretty much stuck there, until the storage capacity is filled. Then what?

[flockofseagulls104]

We’ll see who blinks first.

About what? What did Canada do that was so terrible?

Still waiting for the answer to this question, by the way

Well maybe this might give you some idea why the US needs Canada to cooperate with us. And why we had to use tariffs as a way to get their attention.

[Weyoun]

About what? What did Canada do that was so terrible?

Still waiting for the answer to this question, by the way

Well maybe this might give you some idea why the US needs Canada to cooperate with us. And why we had to use tariffs as a way to get their attention.

Except that lab bust happened at the beginning of November, even before the presidential election.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/canada ... anyl-guns/

The reason you’re seeing outlets like “The Maine Wire” report it now is that everyone else reported it when it happened.

It also means that tariffs apparently aren’t necessary for Canada to stop fentanyl.

And it also means you need to stop watching all these videos and get outside, whitefailure.

PS Visit Fucktown and go fuck yourself.