Why Isn't the NRA Defending Ferguson’s Blacks?

[Bob78164]

Brown may have committed strong arm robbery but the store owner never called the cops so there was never anything about that over the police radio.

Changing the story now. Brown did not steal....oh wait, O.K. there IS video showing he did, O.K. maybe he did, but the store owner says (now) that he didn't call the police.

Strange how the police knew about the robbery and was looking for the suspect if the store owner didn't call.

I'll bet what happened is the store ownere DID call, but now, because of the allowed lawlessness is afraid for his life (and rightly so) and denying he did so the remaining thugs in Ferguson and from elsewhere don't try to kill him and his family for trying to run a business and reporting a crime against themseleves. This is how folks live in 3rd world countries because the rule of law is not enforced and thugs are allowed to continue their influence on the weak. That is the only thing that makes sense, giving the "facts" that we've heard.

What I find distrubing is that so many here, the news, Facebook, etc. seem to ALWAYS take the "victim's" side of a story rather than the police. To those, it is almost always the police in the wrong IF the "victim" is black. The fact that the cop was beaten prior to shooting Brown is ignored. Brown is presented as this lovable inocent boy just walking and minding his own business when this cop for no reason executes him. That story doesn't fly. But that's what folks want to believe. Who beat the cop? When? How? And that is disturbing in and of itself....that folks WANT to believe the cops did this. They WANT the crisis that comes from a situation like this. Disturbing.

Maybe too many people have had experiences like this one, taken not very far from Ferguson (warning -- graphic violence starts about 1:30):



The facts cited in this story paint a picture of a police department and justice system that has been harassing citizens for years. As the author of this piece put it, "You don’t get $321 in fines and fees and 3 warrants per household from an about-average crime rate. You get numbers like this from bullshit arrests for jaywalking and constant 'low level harassment involving traffic stops, court appearances, high fines, and the threat of jail for failure to pay.'”

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles ... assistant/

Deputies shot Winkler four times and the other man was shot once. Winkler died from his injuries at a hospital. The other man survived.
Investigators now say Winkler and the man who was bleeding were actually victims of a third man, Alexander McDonald, who lived inside the apartment building, reports the station.
Winkler, who lived in the apartment above McDonald, got unwittingly involved in the violence when he came down to visit two friends at McDonald's apartment. The suspect crawled onto his own balcony from outside and held the three men hostage with a butcher knife. Witnesses reportedly told police McDonald was acting delusional and crazed.
At some point, Winkler and the victim who had been stabbed managed to escape, only to be shot when they exited the building.

[BackInTex]

Maybe too many people have had experiences like this one

How about the story to go with the video

The video shows that police told Powell to remove his hand from his pocket, which he did. Police said Powell held a knife in his hand, though it is unclear from the video if Powell actually brandished the knife at the officers. The owner of the convenience store from which Powell allegedly shoplifted told police he had a weapon, a claim corroborated by the owner of a nearby barber shop who called 911 about Powell, according to 911 calls obtained by St. Louis Public Radio.

Powell approached them, shouting, "Shoot me! Shoot me, already!" As Powell continued to approach them, the officers shot and killed him.

Did you watch the video? I see a suspect, known to be armed, being commanded by the police to stop and get on the ground, but instead he moves to a superior position above them, taunts them, then continues towards them.

Should the police have turned and run?

I see nothing wrong with the actions of the police here.

[Bob Juch]

Brown may have committed strong arm robbery but the store owner never called the cops so there was never anything about that over the police radio.

Changing the story now. Brown did not steal....oh wait, O.K. there IS video showing he did, O.K. maybe he did, but the store owner says (now) that he didn't call the police.

Strange how the police knew about the robbery and was looking for the suspect if the store owner didn't call.

I'll bet what happened is the store ownere DID call, but now, because of the allowed lawlessness is afraid for his life (and rightly so) and denying he did so the remaining thugs in Ferguson and from elsewhere don't try to kill him and his family for trying to run a business and reporting a crime against themseleves. This is how folks live in 3rd world countries because the rule of law is not enforced and thugs are allowed to continue their influence on the weak. That is the only thing that makes sense, giving the "facts" that we've heard.

What I find distrubing is that so many here, the news, Facebook, etc. seem to ALWAYS take the "victim's" side of a story rather than the police. To those, it is almost always the police in the wrong IF the "victim" is black. The fact that the cop was beaten prior to shooting Brown is ignored. Brown is presented as this lovable inocent boy just walking and minding his own business when this cop for no reason executes him. That story doesn't fly. But that's what folks want to believe. Who beat the cop? When? How? And that is disturbing in and of itself....that folks WANT to believe the cops did this. They WANT the crisis that comes from a situation like this. Disturbing.

From what "news" source did you get that the cops knew about the robbery and that the cop was beaten?

[Bob78164]

Maybe too many people have had experiences like this one

How about the story to go with the video

The video shows that police told Powell to remove his hand from his pocket, which he did. Police said Powell held a knife in his hand, though it is unclear from the video if Powell actually brandished the knife at the officers. The owner of the convenience store from which Powell allegedly shoplifted told police he had a weapon, a claim corroborated by the owner of a nearby barber shop who called 911 about Powell, according to 911 calls obtained by St. Louis Public Radio.

Powell approached them, shouting, "Shoot me! Shoot me, already!" As Powell continued to approach them, the officers shot and killed him.

Did you watch the video? I see a suspect, known to be armed, being commanded by the police to stop and get on the ground, but instead he moves to a superior position above them, taunts them, then continues towards them.

Should the police have turned and run?

I see nothing wrong with the actions of the police here.

I watched it. All six shots. Including the three or four after he was already on the ground. Including the decision to handcuff him, instead of attempting medical treatment, after he'd been shot six times. --Bob

[jarnon]

From what "news" source did you get that the cops knew about the robbery and that the cop was beaten?

Ferguson Cop Reports Called 'Character Assassination' by Slain Teen's Family

11:51 a.m. - Police receive a 911 call from a convenience store on W. Florissant Avenue that reported "stealing in progress."

Ferguson Cop Had 'Serious Facial Injury,' Source Tells ABC News

[BackInTex]

I watched it. All six shots. Including the three or four after he was already on the ground. Including the decision to handcuff him, instead of attempting medical treatment, after he'd been shot six times. --Bob

There have been police killed by suspects after they thought the suspect was incapacitated. There is likely a common protocol for handling such situations. Was it followed here? I don't know, do you?

Is it that hard for you to put yourself in a cops place? You seem to have no problem putting yourself in an armed thief's place. You seem to be of the mindset that of the two parties, it was the cops who should have behaved differently. If it weren't for the armed thief and other like him we wouldn't even need cops. If I had to rid the world of either thiefs or cops, I'd pick thiefs. But that's just me.

[Bob Juch]

I watched it. All six shots. Including the three or four after he was already on the ground. Including the decision to handcuff him, instead of attempting medical treatment, after he'd been shot six times. --Bob

There have been police killed by suspects after they thought the suspect was incapacitated. There is likely a common protocol for handling such situations. Was it followed here? I don't know, do you?

Is it that hard for you to put yourself in a cops place? You seem to have no problem putting yourself in an armed thief's place. You seem to be of the mindset that of the two parties, it was the cops who should have behaved differently. If it weren't for the armed thief and other like him we wouldn't even need cops. If I had to rid the world of either thiefs or cops, I'd pick thiefs. But that's just me.

Oh? Now Brown was armed?

[Bob Juch]

From what "news" source did you get that the cops knew about the robbery and that the cop was beaten?

Ferguson Cop Reports Called 'Character Assassination' by Slain Teen's Family

11:51 a.m. - Police receive a 911 call from a convenience store on W. Florissant Avenue that reported "stealing in progress."

That article says:

The chief made clear, however, that Wilson's confrontation with Brown was not prompted by the report of the store's robbery. Jackson said his officer's contact with Brown began because Brown "was walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic."

Ferguson Cop Had 'Serious Facial Injury,' Source Tells ABC News

That says:

The Ferguson police officer who shot and killed an unarmed teenager suffered “a serious facial injury” in the altercation before firing the fatal shots, according to a source close to the officer who spoke to ABC News today.

So that's from an unnamed source? Don't you think if that was the case the Ferguson police would have said that from day one?

[BackInTex]

I watched it. All six shots. Including the three or four after he was already on the ground. Including the decision to handcuff him, instead of attempting medical treatment, after he'd been shot six times. --Bob

There have been police killed by suspects after they thought the suspect was incapacitated. There is likely a common protocol for handling such situations. Was it followed here? I don't know, do you?

Is it that hard for you to put yourself in a cops place? You seem to have no problem putting yourself in an armed thief's place. You seem to be of the mindset that of the two parties, it was the cops who should have behaved differently. If it weren't for the armed thief and other like him we wouldn't even need cops. If I had to rid the world of either thiefs or cops, I'd pick thiefs. But that's just me.

Oh? Now Brown was armed?

Once again, that comprehension thing. Don't forget about context. That is important.

This post and Bob#s was not about the Brown shooting. This is about the Powell shooting. Try to keep up. We're not going to slow down for you.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement Possible

http://www.amazon.com/This-Nonviolent-S ... 0465033105

Visiting Martin Luther King Jr. at the peak of the Montgomery, Alabama bus boycott, journalist William Worthy almost sat on a loaded pistol. “Just for self defense,” King assured him. It was not the only weapon King kept for such a purpose; one of his advisors remembered the reverend’s Montgomery, Alabama home as “an arsenal.”

Like King, many ostensibly “nonviolent” civil rights activists embraced their constitutional right to selfprotection—yet this crucial dimension of the Afro-American freedom struggle has been long ignored by history

[BackInTex]

O.K. BJ, we're back on the Brown shooting.

Ferguson calm amid further evidence backing officer

I guess they aren't reporting this stuff on Huffingatonofpot.com

Many news media services already had begun packing tents and television transmission vehicles as word circulated through the Ferguson community of further evidence that the black teen shot and killed by a police officer was the aggressor, resisting arrest after his suspected role in a convenience store robbery.

Wednesday in Ferguson, the buzz was about a Facebook posting by local radio station 100.7 FM claiming the officer in the Aug. 9 shooting, Darren Wilson, would not be indicted because key witnesses said 18-year-old Michael Brown attacked the officer and attempted to take away his gun. Fox News reported Wilson suffered severe facial injuries, including an eye socket fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun

[Bob Juch]

O.K. BJ, we're back on the Brown shooting.

Ferguson calm amid further evidence backing officer

I guess they aren't reporting this stuff on Huffingatonofpot.com

Many news media services already had begun packing tents and television transmission vehicles as word circulated through the Ferguson community of further evidence that the black teen shot and killed by a police officer was the aggressor, resisting arrest after his suspected role in a convenience store robbery.

Wednesday in Ferguson, the buzz was about a Facebook posting by local radio station 100.7 FM claiming the officer in the Aug. 9 shooting, Darren Wilson, would not be indicted because key witnesses said 18-year-old Michael Brown attacked the officer and attempted to take away his gun. Fox News reported Wilson suffered severe facial injuries, including an eye socket fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun

Uh huh, what "key witnesses"? Certainly not Tiffany Mitchell, Piaget Crenshaw, Dorian Johnson and several others who've come forward with nearly identical accounts of what happened. The anonymous source for Fox News is the same one who's trying to spread his tale to other news outlets. If that was true don't you think the police would have released that?

[BackInTex]

Uh huh, what "key witnesses"? Certainly not Tiffany Mitchell, Piaget Crenshaw, Dorian Johnson and several others who've come forward with nearly identical accounts of what happened. The anonymous source for Fox News is the same one who's trying to spread his tale to other news outlets. If that was true don't you think the police would have released that?

Lets focus on two things you've said. "nearly identical accounts" and "Dorian Johnson".

Not the best witness

Dorian Johnson, the primary witness to the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, has an outstanding warrant for a 2011 theft in Jefferson City and pleaded guilty for filing a false police report related to that theft.

He has already done multiple media appearances where he falsely claimed Brown was shot by Wilson in the back. He also has claimed that Brown never reached for Wilson’s gun, was “shot like an animal” and that Brown had his hands up and told Wilson he was unarmed.

So you have three witnesses saying Brown was shot in the back. Problem was, he wasn't. Autopsy proved that. So all three are lying. Now what?

Perhaps the unnamed witness's story holds up to all the facts, including the autopsy and medical evaluation of the police officer. That Brown attacked and beat the officer until he was almost unconcious.

Perhaps, in the scheme of things, the officer was justified in shooting Brown.

Perhaps the witness is unnamed because, I don't know, people would post their address, incite threats against their life, or other crap.

[Bob Juch]

Uh huh, what "key witnesses"? Certainly not Tiffany Mitchell, Piaget Crenshaw, Dorian Johnson and several others who've come forward with nearly identical accounts of what happened. The anonymous source for Fox News is the same one who's trying to spread his tale to other news outlets. If that was true don't you think the police would have released that?

Lets focus on two things you've said. "nearly identical accounts" and "Dorian Johnson".

Not the best witness

Dorian Johnson, the primary witness to the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, has an outstanding warrant for a 2011 theft in Jefferson City and pleaded guilty for filing a false police report related to that theft.

He has already done multiple media appearances where he falsely claimed Brown was shot by Wilson in the back. He also has claimed that Brown never reached for Wilson’s gun, was “shot like an animal” and that Brown had his hands up and told Wilson he was unarmed.

So you have three witnesses saying Brown was shot in the back. Problem was, he wasn't. Autopsy proved that. So all three are lying. Now what?

Perhaps the unnamed witness's story holds up to all the facts, including the autopsy and medical evaluation of the police officer. That Brown attacked and beat the officer until he was almost unconcious.

Perhaps, in the scheme of things, the officer was justified in shooting Brown.

Perhaps the witness is unnamed because, I don't know, people would post their address, incite threats against their life, or other crap.

Having an outstanding warrant makes someone blind? The warrant is for Dorian Jordan Johnson; someone is claiming that's the same person as Dorian Jarvis Johnson, the witness. I have no way of knowing if that's true.

Witnesses say that Brown was shot at while his back was turned. He then put up his hands and turned around. That's when he was shot and hit.

Are you aware that Jim Hoft of The Gateway Pundit is claiming obviously altered CT scans that are actually from the University of Iowa are of Wilson?

[BackInTex]

....I have no way of knowing if that's true.

See, that's just it. You and I both have no way of knowing what is true. But you assume the worst of the police and the best of the others. I assume the best of the police and the worst of the others.

Seems we have a pretty consistent pattern here on the board and in the media. The more liberal you are the more you side against the police. Therefore I can only assume that the more liberal you are the more you are against the rule of law and law and order. Your natural bias is against it.

Witnesses say that Brown was shot at while his back was turned. He then put up his hands and turned around. That's when he was shot and hit.

Other witnesses say he attacked to cop.

[silverscreenselect]

O.K. BJ, we're back on the Brown shooting.

Ferguson calm amid further evidence backing officer

I guess they aren't reporting this stuff on Huffingatonofpot.com

Jerome Corsi, the author of this story is also the author books about Obama: The Obama Nation and Unfit for Command. A very impartial source.

[silverscreenselect]

So you have three witnesses saying Brown was shot in the back. Problem was, he wasn't. Autopsy proved that. So all three are lying. Now what?

Witnesses say that Brown was shot at while his back was turned. He then put up his hands and turned around. That's when he was shot and hit.

There's a big difference between "lying" and "being mistaken" especially when someone is basing their recollection on events occurring when shots were being fired. Under BiT's George Zimmerman theory of self defense, if Brown was shot at when his back was turned, he had every reason to think his life was in danger and was justified in using any means at his disposal to defend himself.

[Bob Juch]

....I have no way of knowing if that's true.

See, that's just it. You and I both have no way of knowing what is true. But you assume the worst of the police and the best of the others. I assume the best of the police and the worst of the others.

Seems we have a pretty consistent pattern here on the board and in the media. The more liberal you are the more you side against the police. Therefore I can only assume that the more liberal you are the more you are against the rule of law and law and order. Your natural bias is against it.

Witnesses say that Brown was shot at while his back was turned. He then put up his hands and turned around. That's when he was shot and hit.

Other witnesses say he attacked to cop.

Name one witness that says he attacked the cop.

Actually I am all in favor of the rule of law. That's why I get very upset when cops act as judge, jury, and executioner.

[Beebs52]

....I have no way of knowing if that's true.

See, that's just it. You and I both have no way of knowing what is true. But you assume the worst of the police and the best of the others. I assume the best of the police and the worst of the others.

Seems we have a pretty consistent pattern here on the board and in the media. The more liberal you are the more you side against the police. Therefore I can only assume that the more liberal you are the more you are against the rule of law and law and order. Your natural bias is against it.

Witnesses say that Brown was shot at while his back was turned. He then put up his hands and turned around. That's when he was shot and hit.

Other witnesses say he attacked to cop.

Name one witness that says he attacked the cop.

Actually I am all in favor of the rule of law. That's why I get very upset when cops act as judge, jury, and executioner.

You don't know squat about what happened.

[christie1111]

See, that's just it. You and I both have no way of knowing what is true. But you assume the worst of the police and the best of the others. I assume the best of the police and the worst of the others.

Seems we have a pretty consistent pattern here on the board and in the media. The more liberal you are the more you side against the police. Therefore I can only assume that the more liberal you are the more you are against the rule of law and law and order. Your natural bias is against it.



Other witnesses say he attacked to cop.

Name one witness that says he attacked the cop.

Actually I am all in favor of the rule of law. That's why I get very upset when cops act as judge, jury, and executioner.

You don't know squat about what happened.

Exactly! Thank you Beebs!

There will be a trial at which time all admissable evidence will be presented.

[BackInTex]

You [Bob J] don't know squat about what happened.

But he has taken a side. That is the point of my previous post. When given an option, he sides against law and order.

[Beebs52]

You [Bob J] don't know squat about what happened.

But he has taken a side. That is the point of my previous post. When given an option, he sides against law and order.

The point of my subsequent post.

[silverscreenselect]

When given an option, he sides against law and order.

Bob J sides against the police in a lot of instances, especially instances in which there's reason to question their impartiality (as has been amply demonstrated in the city of Ferguson). That's not the same as siding against law and order.

Our justice system sides against the police as well. That's why we have trials by jury, requirements for search warrants, the presumption of innocence, and the requirement to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Beebs52]

When given an option, he sides against law and order.

Bob J sides against the police in a lot of instances, especially instances in which there's reason to question their impartiality (as has been amply demonstrated in the city of Ferguson). That's not the same as siding against law and order.

Our justice system sides against the police as well. That's why we have trials by jury, requirements for search warrants, the presumption of innocence, and the requirement to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

That's why we have jurors. And not trial by internet. Nor by agitators nor press nor by generally pissed off people.