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Re: Palin is on the attack

#26 Post by NellyLunatic1980 » Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:26 am

mcd1400de wrote:
KillerTomato wrote:
Not to mention smart enough to realize that, if it didn't work for Hillary, it probably won't work for him, either.

But (before I step back into the Moratorium Lounge AGAIN (I really have to quit leaving there)) a quick correction: this isn't McCarthy-like. It's most definitely Rovian. And expect to see some mention of Chuck Keating soon. Then Wright. Then Cindy McCain's problems. Then....
oh, hell, who cares anymore.

There's just no respect or civility in politics anymore. On either side of the race.

Chuck who?
Nothing to see here, MCD. Move along. :P

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#27 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:49 am

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Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

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#28 Post by danielh41 » Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:51 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:University of Chicago Chronicle Nov 1997
You left the last letter off the link. Here's a good link: http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/971106/justice.shtml

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#29 Post by danielh41 » Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:16 pm

lilyvonschtupp26 wrote:Daniel,
Ayers lives in the same neighborhood as Obama. When Obama was first running for office, Ayers hosted a meeting at his home to get to know the candidate. They are not friends.

This has already been investigated thoroughly in the Chicago papers. This is just old news being rehashed on a national scale.
I wonder how "thorough" those investigations by the Chicago papers were. The main problem with Obama is that he has to hide who he really is to get elected. Here's a pretty good op-ed about Obama, his past associations, and McCain's past... http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/? ... Y0MjI0OTQ=
The Ayers Question [Yuval Levin]


Very soon after she was picked to be McCain’s running mate, Sarah Palin was attacked by Obama campaign spokesmen and a Democratic member of Congress for once being seen wearing a Pat Buchanan button. She had an answer and the campaign offered it. Yet now we are asked to believe that it’s somehow inappropriate to inquire why Barack Obama’s political career began in the home of an admitted and unrepentant domestic terrorist of the radical left? “Who is Barack Obama?” is not an irrelevant question given the job Obama is seeking, and it’s a question he has sought mightily to avoid answering. The veil of secrecy he has thrown over his past (journalists have been denied access to his state legislative office records, documents about state earmarks he distributed in Illinois, a list of his legal clients, his state bar application, billing records related to Tony Rezko, medical records, academic records — all of which are the sort of documents candidates routinely make public) forces the question all the more.

The Obama campaign’s response to the question appears to be to raise John McCain’s connection to the Keating Five scandal. It is by no means out of bounds to raise the issue. McCain received campaign funds from Keating, his wife’s company had been involved in investment ventures with him, and he once met with federal regulators about Keating’s bank — though the Senate Ethics Committee found that unlike three other senators involved in the scandal, “Senator McCain’s actions were not improper.” The committee said only that he had exercised bad judgment by being involved with Keating at all and not seeing what others were doing. In fact, Bob Bennett, who was the Democratic lawyer selected by the committee to investigate the Keating Five, says in his book that he recommended that McCain’s name be dropped from the investigation because there was no evidence against him but, for political reasons (the other Senators were all Democrats), McCain’s name was left on the list.

McCain’s response to that scandal should certainly be compared with Obama’s Ayers explanations. McCain has spoken and written about every detail of the Keating mess, has expressed open contrition for allowing himself to be drawn into it even tangentially, and devoted years of his career to combating corruption as a result. He even badly overreacted and pushed for vastly excessive regulation of campaign financing. He has said (in a book in which he details his and others’ actions in the matter) that merely the appearance of impropriety involved makes his involvement with Keating “the worst mistake of my life.”

Had Obama done and said something similar regarding the sort of radicalism Ayers represents, he would now have an answer to offer. Instead, he has worked with Ayers, supported his causes, and denied any significance to the links between them. That, too, makes this a legitimate question about a man who would be president.

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#30 Post by a1mamacat » Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:52 pm

daniel -


get a life!
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#31 Post by peacock2121 » Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:07 pm

a1mamacat wrote:daniel -


get a life!
I clicked on this because I couldn't believe that saucy would be posting in such a thread.

Now I get it!

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#32 Post by a1mamacat » Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:22 pm

sorry to shock you Pea, but


the putrid rantings posted by either side to muckify and degrade the other, service not purpose.

No minds will be changed, and it just makes for unpleasantness. Never mind reading the dreck, just seeing the post titles suffices.
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#33 Post by danielh41 » Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:26 pm

a1mamacat wrote:daniel -


get a life!
I have a nice life, thank you very much. I hope it remains a nice life.

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#34 Post by peacock2121 » Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:30 pm

a1mamacat wrote:sorry to shock you Pea, but


the putrid rantings posted by either side to muckify and degrade the other, service not purpose.

No minds will be changed, and it just makes for unpleasantness. Never mind reading the dreck, just seeing the post titles suffices.
I just don't read the ones I beleive will be like that.

Who is on that list changes day by day, with certain stars who are on it all the time.

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#35 Post by NellyLunatic1980 » Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:10 am

danielh41 wrote:
a1mamacat wrote:daniel -


get a life!
I have a nice life, thank you very much. I hope it remains a nice life.
Even though Daniel is wrong most of the time as far as politics are concerned, I have to agree with him that he does indeed have a life, and a very nice one at that. Sure, he obsesses over all of Obama's associations and acquaintances (be they founded or unfounded) while at the same time ignoring or justifying McCain's and Palin's own questionable associations and acquaintances (Keating, Black, Hagee, Parsley, Muthey, Vogler, etc.)... but the truth is that he does have a life. And might I add, he is an intelligent person. He would never have gotten as far as the $250,000 question if he wasn't.

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