Re: 2000 Mules

[tlynn78]

SSS's boy crush:

Jon Ossoff: “Trump promised to attack a broken system. But here’s the thing: he’s a crook and a con man and he wants to be a king. Yes, the system really is rigged, but Trump’s not un-rigging it, he’s re-rigging it for himself.”

[flockofseagulls104]

Hawaii Election Committee proves me correct.

[silverscreenselect]

Hawaii Election Committee proves me correct.

Hawaii has statewide mail-in voting. The people seem to prefer it, the legislature hasn't changed it, and the state's geography and demographics make it understandable. You have a substantial number of people in remote locations, especially on the outer islands, so traveling to local precincts on election day would be difficult for a lot of people.

Flock has his usual group of wackos whose fraud claims don't hold up under scrutiny.

[flockofseagulls104]

Hawaii Election Committee proves me correct.

Hawaii has statewide mail-in voting. The people seem to prefer it, the legislature hasn't changed it, and the state's geography and demographics make it understandable. You have a substantial number of people in remote locations, especially on the outer islands, so traveling to local precincts on election day would be difficult for a lot of people.

Flock has his usual group of wackos whose fraud claims don't hold up under scrutiny.

I will never understand how you can act like you know anything at all about this subject when YOU KNOW (and I know) that you know nothing about the facts. Only what you are told to believe. But beebs is getting tired of it. And so am I. Arguing with an idiot who is determined to dwell in ignorance is very tiring.

I'm sure you'll vote for Barrett for SOS. She is right with you.

[jarnon]

I was pleased when Montgomery County where I live abandoned touch screen voting machines a few years back in favor of paper ballots. The tabulators aren’t connected to the internet and there’s a clear paper trail. Now our poll books, which have been the same for decades, are being replaced with electronic ones.

Montgomery Co. Announces New Technology At Polling Places Ahead Of Election

Flock, is this progress or a risky change? I think the poll books have always been generated by a computer so it may not matter.

[flockofseagulls104]

I was pleased when Montgomery County where I live abandoned touch screen voting machines a few years back in favor of paper ballots. The tabulators aren’t connected to the internet and there’s a clear paper trail. Now our poll books, which have been the same for decades, are being replaced with electronic ones.

Montgomery Co. Announces New Technology At Polling Places Ahead Of Election

Flock, is this progress or a risky change? I think the poll books have always been generated by a computer so it may not matter.

Though the powers that be STILL deny it, the Dominion tabulators ARE connected to the internet. But nobody but us election denying conspiracy theorists with our hard evidence that has been totally debunked (whatever that means) really cares.

We support going back to paper poll books for each precinct, but our focus here in GA is to get rid of the Ballot Marking Devices that record votes on a QR code that is unreadable by a human. That's what the tabulator reads. Not the human readable text. In fact, as I write this, our elections here in GA are slated to become against the law on July 1st. It is current state and federal law that the QR codes are illegal. They have been against federal law for many years, and 2 years ago were set to be illegal in GA state law on July 1 2026. Mr Raffensperger (our SOS) did NOTHING, NOTHING to even attempt to comply with that law in those 2 years. The GA legislature adjourned in early April without doing ANYTHING to address this issue either.

What's Raffensperger's solution? Ignore the law for now. Election laws are only suggestions in Georgia. The State Election Board is meeting in a special session today to consider ordering the counties to change to hand marked paper ballots for the November Elections. Which will certainly generate innumerable court filings by the usual suspects.

Sorry 'bout that.... If you are currently using paper poll books, you should keep them. The big problem is the voter registration lists or voter roll. In GA they are a joke to people who actually have the skill set and experience to actually analyze them, but they are proclaimed to be the 'cleanest in the nation' by the clowns who are charged with maintaining them. These are the same clowns that keep saying that the 2020 election was the safest and fairest election in the history of the world, but move heaven and earth to prevent anyone but them examining the data or the paper ballots. The VoterRolls must be kept accurate, legal and concise. And I will bet you, no matter what state you are in, that they are NOT.

[silverscreenselect]

But nobody but us election denying conspiracy theorists with our hard evidence that has been totally debunked (whatever that means) really cares.

I see Flock is getting himself all worked up laying the groundwork for excuses in anticipation of a momumental butt kicking Georgia Republicans will suffer in November.

[flockofseagulls104]

But nobody but us election denying conspiracy theorists with our hard evidence that has been totally debunked (whatever that means) really cares.

I see Flock is getting himself all worked up laying the groundwork for excuses in anticipation of a momumental butt kicking Georgia Republicans will suffer in November.

We'll see. If that happens, they did it to themselves. I don't care who wins as long as the voting system is fair, transparent and able to be totally and unquestionably verified by third parties outside the government.

As usual, shown in spades in VA, the only way democrats can win anything is by cheating. Or should I say 'restoring fairness'. Even if it disenfranchises half the state's voters. Even if 5 of the 10 congress people will probably live within 5 miles of each other in Fairfax County. Spare me the talking points that 'Trump started it'. He didn't.

[silverscreenselect]

As usual, shown in spades in VA, the only way democrats can win anything is by cheating. Or should I say 'restoring fairness'. Even if it disenfranchises half the state's voters.

Odd that I didn't notice a similar amount of righteous anger from Flock when Republicans did the same thing in Texas and Missouri and North Carolina. The only difference is that Democrats were better more efficient at redistricting than Republicans were (and they also let voters vote on the redistricting). But then, again, Democrats are better at most things having to do with politics than Republicans are.

[Beebs52]

"But then, again, Democrats are better at most things having to do with politics than Republicans are."

Please don't make it easier for everyone to get all het up.

Unless ya wanna.

[flockofseagulls104]

As usual, shown in spades in VA, the only way democrats can win anything is by cheating. Or should I say 'restoring fairness'. Even if it disenfranchises half the state's voters.

Odd that I didn't notice a similar amount of righteous anger from Flock when Republicans did the same thing in Texas and Missouri and North Carolina. The only difference is that Democrats were better more efficient at redistricting than Republicans were (and they also let voters vote on the redistricting). But then, again, Democrats are better at most things having to do with politics than Republicans are.

I definitely agree with you there. They are completrly focused on the politics of gaining and retaining power for their party. Republicans suck at that. Neither is interested in the American citizen. That's why Trump has so many of us that support his America First policies

[Beebs52]

As usual, shown in spades in VA, the only way democrats can win anything is by cheating. Or should I say 'restoring fairness'. Even if it disenfranchises half the state's voters.

Odd that I didn't notice a similar amount of righteous anger from Flock when Republicans did the same thing in Texas and Missouri and North Carolina. The only difference is that Democrats were better more efficient at redistricting than Republicans were (and they also let voters vote on the redistricting). But then, again, Democrats are better at most things having to do with politics than Republicans are.

I definitely agree with you there. They are completrly focused on the politics of gaining and retaining power for their party. Republicans suck at that. Neither is interested in the American citizen. That's why Trump has so many of us that support his America First policies

That's why Trump has so many of us that support his America First policies
Flock, I honestly don't believe Trump believes America first policies. I think he has Trump first policies that mesh with ideas of America first
as his vision to maintain his hegemony.

[flockofseagulls104]

Odd that I didn't notice a similar amount of righteous anger from Flock when Republicans did the same thing in Texas and Missouri and North Carolina. The only difference is that Democrats were better more efficient at redistricting than Republicans were (and they also let voters vote on the redistricting). But then, again, Democrats are better at most things having to do with politics than Republicans are.

I definitely agree with you there. They are completrly focused on the politics of gaining and retaining power for their party. Republicans suck at that. Neither is interested in the American citizen. That's why Trump has so many of us that support his America First policies

That's why Trump has so many of us that support his America First policies
Flock, I honestly don't believe Trump believes America first policies. I think he has Trump first policies that mesh with ideas of America first
as his vision to maintain his hegemony.

You have the right to believe anything you want. You can even believe that trump kidnapped the pope.
Maybe, but I believe most of the policies and positions he takes on the major issues of the day are a lot more rational than what the democrat party comes up with, in the few cases where their positions are other than trump hatred.

[Weyoun]

I like how Trump helped to block a merger of Spirit Airlines with JetBlue (Spirit botched their own attempted merger with Frontier).

Then started a stupid war that raised fuel prices for Spirit.

Now he wants a government stake in the airline for $500 million.

Winning!

[BackInTex]

I like how Trump helped to block a merger of Spirit Airlines with JetBlue (Spirit botched their own attempted merger with Frontier).

Then started a stupid war that raised fuel prices for Spirit.

Now he wants a government stake in the airline for $500 million.

Winning!

You might want to check your "facts" on who blocked that merger. If you care about facts, that is. I'm not sure.

[Weyoun]

I like how Trump helped to block a merger of Spirit Airlines with JetBlue (Spirit botched their own attempted merger with Frontier).

Then started a stupid war that raised fuel prices for Spirit.

Now he wants a government stake in the airline for $500 million.

Winning!

You might want to check your "facts" on who blocked that merger. If you care about facts, that is. I'm not sure.

VERY TYPICAL for this board that your response is about me, and not whether it's a great idea to prop up an airline capitalism marked for failure (albeit with Trump's war pushing it over the edge)

[BackInTex]

I like how Trump helped to block a merger of Spirit Airlines with JetBlue (Spirit botched their own attempted merger with Frontier).

Then started a stupid war that raised fuel prices for Spirit.

Now he wants a government stake in the airline for $500 million.

Winning!

You might want to check your "facts" on who blocked that merger. If you care about facts, that is. I'm not sure.

VERY TYPICAL for this board that your response is about me, and not whether it's a great idea to prop up an airline capitalism marked for failure (albeit with Trump's war pushing it over the edge)

VERY TYPICAL of you to try and divert attention from the incorrect basis of your anti-Trump comments. You led with an incorrect fact. Your incorrect fact was used to setup your outrage of Trump's alleged intention of acquiring a governmental stake in the airline. It was foundational to your post. But oh well.

Like much about you, your outrage is misplaced because you lack a firm understanding of the facts, either because they are too complicated for you to understand, or they are flat out wrong.

[flockofseagulls104]

Grok:

A U.S. federal judge in Boston, William Young, blocked the $3.8 billion JetBlue-Spirit merger in January 2024, acting on a lawsuit filed by the Biden administration's Department of Justice (DOJ). The court ruled the merger violated antitrust laws, stating it would hurt consumers by reducing competition and raising fares

TDS strikes again.

[BackInTex]

And FTR, I'm against any federal action/intervention into Spirt Airlines bankruptcy. They are a terrible airline and need to go away. The government doesn't need to save something not worth saving. There are plenty of other airlines to serve the public. Let the free market do its thing.

[Weyoun]

You might want to check your "facts" on who blocked that merger. If you care about facts, that is. I'm not sure.

VERY TYPICAL for this board that your response is about me, and not whether it's a great idea to prop up an airline capitalism marked for failure (albeit with Trump's war pushing it over the edge)

VERY TYPICAL of you to try and divert attention from the incorrect basis of your anti-Trump comments. You led with an incorrect fact. Your incorrect fact was used to setup your outrage of Trump's alleged intention of acquiring a governmental stake in the airline. It was foundational to your post. But oh well.

Like much about you, your outrage is misplaced because you lack a firm understanding of the facts, either because they are too complicated for you to understand, or they are flat out wrong.

Let’s set that incorrect assertion on my part aside.

It’s still stupid for the government to try to get a stake in this failing airline.

And the reason this happened was because this stupid war drove up gas prices.

So, shrug, maybe not so foundational. Try again.

Do you have any comments about what Trump is proposing, or do you want to go back and nitpick my grammar as well?

[Weyoun]

And FTR, I'm against any federal action/intervention into Spirt Airlines bankruptcy. They are a terrible airline and need to go away. The government doesn't need to save something not worth saving. There are plenty of other airlines to serve the public. Let the free market do its thing.

Great! Glad to see you agree with me!

[BackInTex]

And FTR, I'm against any federal action/intervention into Spirt Airlines bankruptcy. They are a terrible airline and need to go away. The government doesn't need to save something not worth saving. There are plenty of other airlines to serve the public. Let the free market do its thing.

Great! Glad to see you agree with me!

On the single point that the government has no business saving that miserable business. However, it was terrible before oil prices went up. They lost over $1 billion in 2024. The lost $2.75 billion in 2025.

[Weyoun]

And FTR, I'm against any federal action/intervention into Spirt Airlines bankruptcy. They are a terrible airline and need to go away. The government doesn't need to save something not worth saving. There are plenty of other airlines to serve the public. Let the free market do its thing.

Great! Glad to see you agree with me!

On the single point that the government has no business saving that miserable business. However, it was terrible before oil prices went up. They lost over $1 billion in 2024. The lost $2.75 billion in 2025.

Yes, they were definitely struggling. But, again, the update in oil prices is what pushed them over. If we had a president gathering for America, and not listening to Netanyahu and Kushner, they’d still be hanging on