I think this forum has jumped the shark

[Weyoun]

The fragile deal, as lousy as it was, was immediately thrown into doubt because Israel wanted to bomb Lebanon some more. This included a school and a hospital.

Please read about Itamar Ben-Gvir. The whole logic of the current Israeli government is that any neighbor of theirs is perpetually a threat, so they must keep expanding. In the past, there was some hope for a two state solution, but that’s long dead. Israel as currently constituted believes it must be constantly at war with its neighbors so that their neighbors do not go to war with them.

So, yes, it is a “murder-state.”

Ben-Gvir is the most extreme member of an extremist government. He no more represents Israel than Steven Miller expresses the views of most Americans.

I regret that the next Israeli government will probably still be right-wing. Hopefully they get rid of the racists and murderers.

Unfortunately, like Steven Miller, he makes policy. And based on every local news article about ICE, Miller has many avid fans

[Weyoun]

Wow. This thread has sunk to a disgusting low. And you guys have the gall to call other people nazis? You are sick and sickening.

Do you know what is even worse than that?

Bombing kids.

[Beebs52]

Wow. This thread has sunk to a disgusting low. And you guys have the gall to call other people nazis? You are sick and sickening.

Do you know what is even worse than that?

Bombing kids.

Yeah. Do you know what is even worse than that? A region who bombs kids, October, and has no concept of mutually assured destruction.

[BackInTex]

Wow. This thread has sunk to a disgusting low. And you guys have the gall to call other people nazis? You are sick and sickening.

Do you know what is even worse than that?

Bombing kids.

Yeah. Do you know what is even worse than that? A region who bombs kids, October, and has no concept of mutually assured destruction.

What I think is worse is putting kids where you know it will get bombed.
Also, not bombing a target to prevent your kids from getting bombed because you're to weak to bomb those who will bomb you because they put their kids in front of themselves. Essentially putting their kids above yours. Sophie's choice.

[Weyoun]

But if you know there are children there, and you’re bombing hospitals and schools anyway, aren’t you still a bad guy?

If you get bored, look up the Greater Israel project. But the upshot is that southern Lebanon is considered part of that, so there will be always an excuse with this crowd to attack southern Lebanon.

But the good news - Zionism polls poorly among young Americans. Once this generation of diaper crapping boomers gets out of our leadership, the future means we won’t get stuck in an unwinnable war because something something about Biblical prophecy.

[flockofseagulls104]

I can only hope and pray that the rapture occurs or that I am dead and buried before evil assholes that think like weyoun manage to attain complete power in this country.

[Beebs52]

Isn't weyoun close to the disper crapping boomers?

[Weyoun]

Isn't weyoun close to the disper crapping boomers?

Does one need to be to understand that 80 years old definitely don’t need to be running things?

[Weyoun]

I can only hope and pray that the rapture occurs or that I am dead and buried before evil assholes that think like weyoun manage to attain complete power in this country.

As I was saying, Biblical blah blah blah instead of foreign policy

[flockofseagulls104]

There is no reason to go into detail with supportive evidence and facts. If you want that, it's out there. Look for it yourself. The individuals who most need to know the facts would never accept them in any event.

If any people have a claim to any piece of land on this earth, it is the Jewish people that have the claim to Israel. It has been their homeland for THOUSANDS of years, with unquestionable and undeniable historical and archeological documentation. They have been conquered, exiled and dispersed from their homeland many times, but they keep coming back to it. The powers that were at the time restored their rights to a portion of their homeland early in the 20th century. Your heroes, the 'Palestinians' (a manufactured designation) and other interests immediately declared war on them and lost. They have been at war with them ever since. Despite this and other threats from all sides, the Israelis have built a modern, self sustaining and stable oasis amid the chaos of the middle east. I just wonder what these people could achieve if they didn't have to devote most of their resources to defending themselves from the evil that surrounds them and constantly attacks them.

People like ifonly willfully forget the events of Oct 7, and somehow ignorantly believe and cling to the blatant anti-Israel propaganda that has flowed nonstop since then, and just ignore the facts that Israel does not employ suicide murderers, does not target innocent civilians and hide themselves in civilian areas, hospitals and schools like hamas and hezbollah does.

I will NEVER believe the lies and memes that have taken over social media and the thick skulls of so many like ifonly. Israel wants peace with their neighbors, and has, throughout my lifetime, bent over backwards to offer terms to the terrorists to achieve peace. And every single time peace has been rejected by their neighbors. Israel has the right to defend themselves and the country they have lived in for thousands of years and have built from scratch. And we have the right and duty to support our best ally in this troubled region.

That is all.

[Spock]

Weyoun>>>"
If you get bored, look up the Greater Israel project. But the upshot is that southern Lebanon is considered part of that, so there will be always an excuse with this crowd to attack southern Lebanon."<<<

Wow, somebody does spend some time in the dark corners of the internet.

Just wondering-which book has pride of place on your shelf-"Mein Kampf" or "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?"

Do you think the world would be a better place if things had taken a different turn, circa 1948, and Israel had not been born?

[Weyoun]

Weyoun>>>"
If you get bored, look up the Greater Israel project. But the upshot is that southern Lebanon is considered part of that, so there will be always an excuse with this crowd to attack southern Lebanon."<<<

Wow, somebody does spend some time in the dark corners of the internet.

Just wondering-which book has pride of place on your shelf-"Mein Kampf" or "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?"

Do you think the world would be a better place if things had taken a different turn, circa 1948, and Israel had not been born?

No, I don’t think so at all. I would like to think in a different universe, a two state solution, as envisioned by the Oslo accords down the road, could work. I understand why the Jews would want a place where they could be safe, and I don’t see an alternative to moving a bunch of Jews out of there, anymore than I think that moving a bunch of Palestinians out of there is acceptable/practical at this point.

(Part of me thinks that the Israelis need to move to Montana. I hear there’s a lot of room there.)

It’s a common cheap stunt by supporters of the Zionist murder state to suggest that anyone critical of Israel must be in favor of the Holocaust. It’s one reason why Israeli influence has seized such a poisonous grip on our country, even though it’s unclear if anything associated with them is in our national self-interest at this point.

So, please don’t suggest I am a Nazi. Also, please note that whenever I engage you, I’m happy to insult you. For example, I think you’re an overrated, closeted hick. But also I offer more than simple ad hominems.

Example: Bezalel Smotrich is a modern Israeli who believes in Greater Israel. in speeches he has gone so far to include Jordan in that. Now you act like you're pretty smart. And do you remember that part of the Bible where Moses could not get into the promised land? He was left instead on Mount Nebo, which is in modern day Jordan. I’ve stood on that mountain, looking into Israel. It ain’t Israel.

Not a problem for Smotrich! He thinks Jordan should be part of Israel. The whole reason we have is Israel is because of a British mandate that specifically did not include this area. And a lot of his crew think Israel should run from the Euphrates to the Nile!

Smotrich btw is Israel’s Finance Minister.

[Weyoun]

There is no reason to go into detail with supportive evidence and facts. If you want that, it's out there. Look for it yourself. The individuals who most need to know the facts would never accept them in any event.

If any people have a claim to any piece of land on this earth, it is the Jewish people that have the claim to Israel. It has been their homeland for THOUSANDS of years, with unquestionable and undeniable historical and archeological documentation. They have been conquered, exiled and dispersed from their homeland many times, but they keep coming back to it. The powers that were at the time restored their rights to a portion of their homeland early in the 20th century. Your heroes, the 'Palestinians' (a manufactured designation) and other interests immediately declared war on them and lost. They have been at war with them ever since. Despite this and other threats from all sides, the Israelis have built a modern, self sustaining and stable oasis amid the chaos of the middle east. I just wonder what these people could achieve if they didn't have to devote most of their resources to defending themselves from the evil that surrounds them and constantly attacks them.

People like ifonly willfully forget the events of Oct 7, and somehow ignorantly believe and cling to the blatant anti-Israel propaganda that has flowed nonstop since then, and just ignore the facts that Israel does not employ suicide murderers, does not target innocent civilians and hide themselves in civilian areas, hospitals and schools like hamas and hezbollah does.

I will NEVER believe the lies and memes that have taken over social media and the thick skulls of so many like ifonly. Israel wants peace with their neighbors, and has, throughout my lifetime, bent over backwards to offer terms to the terrorists to achieve peace. And every single time peace has been rejected by their neighbors. Israel has the right to defend themselves and the country they have lived in for thousands of years and have built from scratch. And we have the right and duty to support our best ally in this troubled region.

That is all.

You offer for a lot of emotion, and not many facts.

You probably get extremely offended at Native American land acknowledgments also.

While you don’t appreciate the irony in that, I sure do.

[Beebs52]

There is no reason to go into detail with supportive evidence and facts. If you want that, it's out there. Look for it yourself. The individuals who most need to know the facts would never accept them in any event.

If any people have a claim to any piece of land on this earth, it is the Jewish people that have the claim to Israel. It has been their homeland for THOUSANDS of years, with unquestionable and undeniable historical and archeological documentation. They have been conquered, exiled and dispersed from their homeland many times, but they keep coming back to it. The powers that were at the time restored their rights to a portion of their homeland early in the 20th century. Your heroes, the 'Palestinians' (a manufactured designation) and other interests immediately declared war on them and lost. They have been at war with them ever since. Despite this and other threats from all sides, the Israelis have built a modern, self sustaining and stable oasis amid the chaos of the middle east. I just wonder what these people could achieve if they didn't have to devote most of their resources to defending themselves from the evil that surrounds them and constantly attacks them.

People like ifonly willfully forget the events of Oct 7, and somehow ignorantly believe and cling to the blatant anti-Israel propaganda that has flowed nonstop since then, and just ignore the facts that Israel does not employ suicide murderers, does not target innocent civilians and hide themselves in civilian areas, hospitals and schools like hamas and hezbollah does.

I will NEVER believe the lies and memes that have taken over social media and the thick skulls of so many like ifonly. Israel wants peace with their neighbors, and has, throughout my lifetime, bent over backwards to offer terms to the terrorists to achieve peace. And every single time peace has been rejected by their neighbors. Israel has the right to defend themselves and the country they have lived in for thousands of years and have built from scratch. And we have the right and duty to support our best ally in this troubled region.

That is all.

You offer for a lot of emotion, and not many facts.

You probably get extremely offended at Native American land acknowledgments also.

While you don’t appreciate the irony in that, I sure do.

Self righteous thy name is doc. Gosh. My hub is 1/16th Cherokee, kids 1/32. They have been doing fine.

[Weyoun]

There is no reason to go into detail with supportive evidence and facts. If you want that, it's out there. Look for it yourself. The individuals who most need to know the facts would never accept them in any event.

If any people have a claim to any piece of land on this earth, it is the Jewish people that have the claim to Israel. It has been their homeland for THOUSANDS of years, with unquestionable and undeniable historical and archeological documentation. They have been conquered, exiled and dispersed from their homeland many times, but they keep coming back to it. The powers that were at the time restored their rights to a portion of their homeland early in the 20th century. Your heroes, the 'Palestinians' (a manufactured designation) and other interests immediately declared war on them and lost. They have been at war with them ever since. Despite this and other threats from all sides, the Israelis have built a modern, self sustaining and stable oasis amid the chaos of the middle east. I just wonder what these people could achieve if they didn't have to devote most of their resources to defending themselves from the evil that surrounds them and constantly attacks them.

People like ifonly willfully forget the events of Oct 7, and somehow ignorantly believe and cling to the blatant anti-Israel propaganda that has flowed nonstop since then, and just ignore the facts that Israel does not employ suicide murderers, does not target innocent civilians and hide themselves in civilian areas, hospitals and schools like hamas and hezbollah does.

I will NEVER believe the lies and memes that have taken over social media and the thick skulls of so many like ifonly. Israel wants peace with their neighbors, and has, throughout my lifetime, bent over backwards to offer terms to the terrorists to achieve peace. And every single time peace has been rejected by their neighbors. Israel has the right to defend themselves and the country they have lived in for thousands of years and have built from scratch. And we have the right and duty to support our best ally in this troubled region.

That is all.

You offer for a lot of emotion, and not many facts.

You probably get extremely offended at Native American land acknowledgments also.

While you don’t appreciate the irony in that, I sure do.

Self righteous thy name is doc. Gosh. My hub is 1/16th Cherokee, kids 1/32. They have been doing fine.

That's great! But we were talking about whitefailure's claim that Jews lived in the Levant thousands of years ago, so that means that they get to drop bombs on hospitals in Lebanon today, even though that risks a fragile peace agreement.

[Beebs52]

You offer for a lot of emotion, and not many facts.

You probably get extremely offended at Native American land acknowledgments also.

While you don’t appreciate the irony in that, I sure do.

Self righteous thy name is doc. Gosh. My hub is 1/16th Cherokee, kids 1/32. They have been doing fine.

That's great! But we were talking about whitefailure's claim that Jews lived in the Levant thousands of years ago, so that means that they get to drop bombs on hospitals in Lebanon today, even though that risks a fragile peace agreement.

You have a short sighted historical vision, like a year or so. But that's okay! Cause you're not 80 or diaper-ridden. Hezbollah Hamas much?

[Beebs52]

1979 much? Modern day much? Dick thy name is medicine.

[Weyoun]

1979 much? Modern day much? Dick thy name is medicine.

Are you ok?

Imagine if the Cherokee showed up somewhere in suburban Atlanta, outside the car where whitefailure is currently sleeping.

Then they demanded that land back from him, pushing the car into some ditch.

He then responded by throwing a bunch of cans at them constantly.

I’d understand a little bit why he’d be throwing cans. But according to his logic above, the Cherokee pushing his car into a ditch is completely justified.

[Beebs52]

1979 much? Modern day much? Dick thy name is medicine.

Are you ok?

Imagine if the Cherokee showed up somewhere in suburban Atlanta, outside the car where whitefailure is currently sleeping.

Then they demanded that land back from him, pushing the car into some ditch.

He then responded by throwing a bunch of cans at them constantly.

I’d understand a little bit why he’d be throwing cans. But according to his logic above, the Cherokee pushing his car into a ditch is completely justified.

Oh dear.