Speaking of TDS

[flockofseagulls104]

Flock (and others) - Now that the US has suspended arms shipments to Ukraine, now that the US has suspended cyber operations (both offensive and defensive) against Russia, now that US foreign policy "largely aligns with" Russia's vision (according to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov), are you willing to say that Trump is wrong in these actions?

And now the US has stopped sharing intelligence data with Ukraine - data used by the Ukrainian military to target invading Russian forces and strike back at select targets inside Russia.

And now the US has stopped Ukraine from accessing commercial satellite imaging, allowing Russia to launch an attack that killed at least 14. Trump's comment? "That's what anyone would do." Right up there with his comment about Russia's "genius and "savvy" comments about Russia's initial attack.

Whatcha gonna say if his actions result in getting both leaders to the table and stopping the mindless and needless slaughter of millions of people? You gonna praise him? (My guess is: Not a chance).

Whatcha have to say about the previous actions of funding and supplying one side to keep the war going and the deaths of millions of people continuing unabated? Should we just continue doing that until there are no more people left to be killed. Until one side decides to go nuclear?

Whatcha want Trump to do? Nothing?

He, I think, has decided that, as Zelenskyy pointed out, we have a nice big ocean between us. Europe doesn't. It is in Europe's interest to get this stopped more than ours. They need to handle it. We will be there if they want our help in getting peace, but not in continuing the war. At least that is what I think he is negotiating for. And, sorry if it hurts your feelings: I agree with that.

[jarnon]

And now the US has stopped sharing intelligence data with Ukraine - data used by the Ukrainian military to target invading Russian forces and strike back at select targets inside Russia.

And now the US has stopped Ukraine from accessing commercial satellite imaging, allowing Russia to launch an attack that killed at least 14. Trump's comment? "That's what anyone would do." Right up there with his comment about Russia's "genius and "savvy" comments about Russia's initial attack.

Trump administration cuts off Ukrainian access to satellite images from Colorado-based company

>>> “Each customer makes their own decisions on how they use and share that data,” Maxar said in a statement. The company emphasized that only its users in Ukraine are affected by the administration's decision.

Maxar Technologies, headquartered in a distinctive satellite-shaped building off Interstate 25 in Broomfield, maintains contracts with the U.S. government and “dozens of allied and partner nations around the world” to provide satellite imagery and geospatial data.

“We take our contractual commitments very seriously, and there is no change to other Maxar customer programs,” the company said in a statement. <<<

You don’t have to be an expert in the field to get what Maxar is suggesting.

[earendel]

Whatcha gonna say if his actions result in getting both leaders to the table and stopping the mindless and needless slaughter of millions of people? You gonna praise him? (My guess is: Not a chance).

On February 17, in another thread, I said that if Trump were able to bring about peace in Ukraine, I'd be the first to praise him. However, that came with the caveat that it would have to be a peace that restored the territory captured by Russia.

Whatcha have to say about the previous actions of funding and supplying one side to keep the war going and the deaths of millions of people continuing unabated? Should we just continue doing that until there are no more people left to be killed. Until one side decides to go nuclear?

Putin isn't about to "go nuclear" and everyone, with the possible exception of Trump, knows it. He would lose far more than he would gain.

Whatcha want Trump to do? Nothing?

I want him to put pressure on Russia as well as Ukraine. At one point he mentioned on Truth Social that he would impose more sanctions, but then backed off. At this point I'd be happy if he would just restore Ukrainian access to intelligence information and satellite imagery, and resumed arms shipments.

He, I think, has decided that, as Zelenskyy pointed out, we have a nice big ocean between us. Europe doesn't. It is in Europe's interest to get this stopped more than ours. They need to handle it. We will be there if they want our help in getting peace, but not in continuing the war. At least that is what I think he is negotiating for. And, sorry if it hurts your feelings: I agree with that.

The last time there was war in Europe and we had that "nice big ocean" it didn't go so well until we entered the war. On the campaign trail Trump said he could end the war "on day one". I guess this must be "the longest day". As for Europe, they have already contributed more than the US has, but the US has certain technological advantages that Ukraine desperately needs.

[flockofseagulls104]

Whatcha gonna say if his actions result in getting both leaders to the table and stopping the mindless and needless slaughter of millions of people? You gonna praise him? (My guess is: Not a chance).

On February 17, in another thread, I said that if Trump were able to bring about peace in Ukraine, I'd be the first to praise him. However, that came with the caveat that it would have to be a peace that restored the territory captured by Russia.

Whatcha have to say about the previous actions of funding and supplying one side to keep the war going and the deaths of millions of people continuing unabated? Should we just continue doing that until there are no more people left to be killed. Until one side decides to go nuclear?

Putin isn't about to "go nuclear" and everyone, with the possible exception of Trump, knows it. He would lose far more than he would gain.

Whatcha want Trump to do? Nothing?

I want him to put pressure on Russia as well as Ukraine. At one point he mentioned on Truth Social that he would impose more sanctions, but then backed off. At this point I'd be happy if he would just restore Ukrainian access to intelligence information and satellite imagery, and resumed arms shipments.

He, I think, has decided that, as Zelenskyy pointed out, we have a nice big ocean between us. Europe doesn't. It is in Europe's interest to get this stopped more than ours. They need to handle it. We will be there if they want our help in getting peace, but not in continuing the war. At least that is what I think he is negotiating for. And, sorry if it hurts your feelings: I agree with that.

The last time there was war in Europe and we had that "nice big ocean" it didn't go so well until we entered the war. On the campaign trail Trump said he could end the war "on day one". I guess this must be "the longest day". As for Europe, they have already contributed more than the US has, but the US has certain technological advantages that Ukraine desperately needs.

I had a lot of disagreements with the policies of both the Obama and biden puppet administrations. But I didn't post every day about imagined and hypothetical situations and cry and wring my hands about 'woe is me that XXX is President and we're all gonna die' He is doing things differently than your guys did and would do. Most of us think that's a good thing.

So why don't you save up your hand wringing and crying for when something bad actually happens? Like the retreat from Afghanistan. That would rate some criticism.

[earendel]

I had a lot of disagreements with the policies of both the Obama and biden puppet administrations. But I didn't post every day about imagined and hypothetical situations and cry and wring my hands about 'woe is me that XXX is President and we're all gonna die' He is doing things differently than your guys did and would do. Most of us think that's a good thing.

You will note that I have avoided the other threads - the economy, etc. As for "imagined and hypothetical", it's a FACT that Trump suspended arms shipments. It's a FACT that he cut off their access to military satellite imagery and other intelligence. It's a FACT that he cut off access to commercial satellite imagery.

So why don't you save up your hand wringing and crying for when something bad actually happens? Like the retreat from Afghanistan. That would rate some criticism.

The time to make a stand is BEFORE "something bad actually happens". When it does happen, it's too late.

[flockofseagulls104]

I had a lot of disagreements with the policies of both the Obama and biden puppet administrations. But I didn't post every day about imagined and hypothetical situations and cry and wring my hands about 'woe is me that XXX is President and we're all gonna die' He is doing things differently than your guys did and would do. Most of us think that's a good thing.

You will note that I have avoided the other threads - the economy, etc. As for "imagined and hypothetical", it's a FACT that Trump suspended arms shipments. It's a FACT that he cut off their access to military satellite imagery and other intelligence. It's a FACT that he cut off access to commercial satellite imagery.

So why don't you save up your hand wringing and crying for when something bad actually happens? Like the retreat from Afghanistan. That would rate some criticism.

The time to make a stand is BEFORE "something bad actually happens". When it does happen, it's too late.

And it's a fact that as Commander in Chief he has every right to do so. Whether you, and your political party agrees with what he does or not. And history shows that you will automatically and vociferously disagree with everything he does, says, doesn't do or doesn't say.

You are not making a stand about anything. You are just complaining about Trump because that is all your party has except protesting making the government more efficient and accountable and supporting the right of mentally unbalanced men to ruin women's sports and invade their private spaces.

Say, ear, aren't you proud of how your party acted at the 'SOTU' Speech?

[Weyoun]

I had a lot of disagreements with the policies of both the Obama and biden puppet administrations. But I didn't post every day about imagined and hypothetical situations and cry and wring my hands about 'woe is me that XXX is President and we're all gonna die' He is doing things differently than your guys did and would do. Most of us think that's a good thing.

You will note that I have avoided the other threads - the economy, etc. As for "imagined and hypothetical", it's a FACT that Trump suspended arms shipments. It's a FACT that he cut off their access to military satellite imagery and other intelligence. It's a FACT that he cut off access to commercial satellite imagery.

So why don't you save up your hand wringing and crying for when something bad actually happens? Like the retreat from Afghanistan. That would rate some criticism.

The time to make a stand is BEFORE "something bad actually happens". When it does happen, it's too late.

And it's a fact that as Commander in Chief he has every right to do so. Whether you, and your political party agrees with what he does or not. And history shows that you will automatically and vociferously disagree with everything he does, says, doesn't do or doesn't say.

You are not making a stand about anything. You are just complaining about Trump because that is all your party has except protesting making the government more efficient and accountable and supporting the right of mentally unbalanced men to ruin women's sports and invade their private spaces.

Say, ear, aren't you proud of how your party acted at the 'SOTU' Speech?

Can you name two things that Trump has done during his current administration with which you strongly disagree?

Let me clarify. If you feel that he is not doing a policy strongly enough, that doesn’t count. So, if you think the problem is, he’s not shooting migrants instead of just deporting them, I would say that’s more of a matter of degree, and not a policy difference, as both you and Trump want brown people to suffer.

On the other hand, “I think these tariffs are a mistake” would be a legitimate dissent.

I’m curious as to your thoughts. For someone who accuses someone else of simply parroting a line, it’s unusual how you always seem to agree with what Trump does and why he does it.

By the way - I don’t think I’ve said this in some time, but I did want to remind you that I think you are stupid, and that you suck.

[earendel]

And it's a fact that as Commander in Chief he has every right to do so. Whether you, and your political party agrees with what he does or not. And history shows that you will automatically and vociferously disagree with everything he does, says, doesn't do or doesn't say.

And it would seem that history shows that you think Trump can do nothing wrong.

You are not making a stand about anything. You are just complaining about Trump because that is all your party has except protesting making the government more efficient and accountable and supporting the right of mentally unbalanced men to ruin women's sports and invade their private spaces.

Can we keep this discussion to the situation in Ukraine? I'm not interested in discussing "government efficiency" or transgenders in sports.

Say, ear, aren't you proud of how your party acted at the 'SOTU' Speech?

First, it wasn't a SOTU. It was merely a speech to Congress. SOTUs are done after the president completes a year in office. Second, you are trying to provoke me into a different discussion (see above).

[flockofseagulls104]

And it's a fact that as Commander in Chief he has every right to do so. Whether you, and your political party agrees with what he does or not. And history shows that you will automatically and vociferously disagree with everything he does, says, doesn't do or doesn't say.

And it would seem that history shows that you think Trump can do nothing wrong.

You are not making a stand about anything. You are just complaining about Trump because that is all your party has except protesting making the government more efficient and accountable and supporting the right of mentally unbalanced men to ruin women's sports and invade their private spaces.

Can we keep this discussion to the situation in Ukraine? I'm not interested in discussing "government efficiency" or transgenders in sports.

Say, ear, aren't you proud of how your party acted at the 'SOTU' Speech?

First, it wasn't a SOTU. It was merely a speech to Congress. SOTUs are done after the president completes a year in office. Second, you are trying to provoke me into a different discussion (see above).

First of all, I put SOTU in quotes. I am well aware of what it was. Don't patronize me with 'correcting' me with minor points. Waste of time.

Secondly, you said something about 'taking a stand'. What exactly are you taking a stand on? The 'facts' you listed have changed as the situation has changed. It seems like President Trump is getting the results he is after. Zelenskyy has formally apologized for his behavior in the Oval Office. He is using his position to facilitate getting the two sides to the table to END THE F*ING WAR. Democrats used to be against wars. Now they seem to want to fund and fuel them. Unfortunately, in the real world you just can't ask world leaders politely to do something they don't want to do. Sometimes you have to use some incentive. Trump is using what he has to get what is in the interests of the US and the world. And it's about time we had a President that would do that.

It is my opinion that you are just knee-jerkingly buying the TDS rantings from the legacy media.

[earendel]

First of all, I put SOTU in quotes. I am well aware of what it was. Don't patronize me with 'correcting' me with minor points. Waste of time.

My apology. I didn't see the quotes.

Secondly, you said something about 'taking a stand'. What exactly are you taking a stand on? The 'facts' you listed have changed as the situation has changed. It seems like President Trump is getting the results he is after. Zelenskyy has formally apologized for his behavior in the Oval Office. He is using his position to facilitate getting the two sides to the table to END THE F*ING WAR. Democrats used to be against wars. Now they seem to want to fund and fuel them. Unfortunately, in the real world you just can't ask world leaders politely to do something they don't want to do. Sometimes you have to use some incentive. Trump is using what he has to get what is in the interests of the US and the world. And it's about time we had a President that would do that.

Currently the ball is in Putin's court to accept the limited ceasefire (frontline attacks will continue, long-range drone and missile attacks will cease). If he does, and keeps to it, then we'll see what comes next. Give Trump credit - at least he's decided to resume arms shipments.

It is my opinion that you are just knee-jerkingly buying the TDS rantings from the legacy media.

I don't see how stating facts is "buying the TDS rantings", but if that's what you want to think, feel free. I get the feeling tht you're trying to provoke me into a "flame war" such as you have going with weyoun.

[flockofseagulls104]

First of all, I put SOTU in quotes. I am well aware of what it was. Don't patronize me with 'correcting' me with minor points. Waste of time.

My apology. I didn't see the quotes.

Secondly, you said something about 'taking a stand'. What exactly are you taking a stand on? The 'facts' you listed have changed as the situation has changed. It seems like President Trump is getting the results he is after. Zelenskyy has formally apologized for his behavior in the Oval Office. He is using his position to facilitate getting the two sides to the table to END THE F*ING WAR. Democrats used to be against wars. Now they seem to want to fund and fuel them. Unfortunately, in the real world you just can't ask world leaders politely to do something they don't want to do. Sometimes you have to use some incentive. Trump is using what he has to get what is in the interests of the US and the world. And it's about time we had a President that would do that.

Currently the ball is in Putin's court to accept the limited ceasefire (frontline attacks will continue, long-range drone and missile attacks will cease). If he does, and keeps to it, then we'll see what comes next. Give Trump credit - at least he's decided to resume arms shipments.

It is my opinion that you are just knee-jerkingly buying the TDS rantings from the legacy media.

I don't see how stating facts is "buying the TDS rantings", but if that's what you want to think, feel free. I get the feeling tht you're trying to provoke me into a "flame war" such as you have going with weyoun.

I don't have a war with ifonly. He has a war with himself and takes it out on anybody who disagrees with him.

You started this thread with a question. I answered it and you kept pushing the idea that Trump is doing something terrible. So I assume you are more interested in pursuing TDS than getting an answer to your question.

UPDATE:
Not that a full peace has been achieved, but it's more than has been achieved by the biden people. And it's because of what you complained about what Trump did.

If peace is achieved, are you willing to say Trump was RIGHT in doing what he did?

[earendel]

You started this thread with a question. I answered it and you kept pushing the idea that Trump is doing something terrible. So I assume you are more interested in pursuing TDS than getting an answer to your question.

UPDATE:
Not that a full peace has been achieved, but it's more than has been achieved by the biden people. And it's because of what you complained about what Trump did.

As I said, the ball is in Putin's court. And since Trump restarted the arms shipments, that might bring Putin to the table. In fact, I believe I said that in my previous comment.

If peace is achieved, are you willing to say Trump was RIGHT in doing what he did?

Sometimes I wonder if you read what I post. On February 17th I said I'd be the the first to applaud Trump if he brings peace to Ukraine - but it has to be a peace that doesn't reward Putin by allowing him to keep the conquered territory. And upthread here I said the same thing.

[flockofseagulls104]

I had a lot of disagreements with the policies of both the Obama and biden puppet administrations. But I didn't post every day about imagined and hypothetical situations and cry and wring my hands about 'woe is me that XXX is President and we're all gonna die' He is doing things differently than your guys did and would do. Most of us think that's a good thing.

You will note that I have avoided the other threads - the economy, etc. As for "imagined and hypothetical", it's a FACT that Trump suspended arms shipments. It's a FACT that he cut off their access to military satellite imagery and other intelligence. It's a FACT that he cut off access to commercial satellite imagery.

So why don't you save up your hand wringing and crying for when something bad actually happens? Like the retreat from Afghanistan. That would rate some criticism.

The time to make a stand is BEFORE "something bad actually happens". When it does happen, it's too late.

'Scuse me, ear. This post sounds to me like you are stating 'facts' (which are cherry picked to sound very alarming) in order to state that we have to take a stand against those facts and, by extension, against Trump.

I stated that Trump had every right to implement your 'facts', which he does as Commander In Chief. And you named the thread 'Speaking of TDS'. His actions, which you obviously strongly opposed, are seemingly bearing fruit.

Please rise above the other leftists on this bored and at least acknowledge your bias in creating this thread.

[earendel]

I stated that Trump had every right to implement your 'facts', which he does as Commander In Chief. And you named the thread 'Speaking of TDS'. His actions, which you obviously strongly opposed, are seemingly bearing fruit.

Of course he does have the right, but whether he SHOULD is another question. It does appear that progress is being made, and, as I've said repeatedly, if this leads to a peace without allowing Putin to retain the territory he invaded, then I'll be happy to give Trump the credit.

Please rise above the other leftists on this bored and at least acknowledge your bias in creating this thread.

Of course I'm biased - everyone is. My original question was based on the information at the time, and you didn't say yes or no. Hindsight, of course, is 20/20. My point is that while I may suffer from TDS, you do as well, it just that it manifests itself differently in both of us. However my initial curiosity still remains - is there anything Trump can do that you would object to? If he were to "stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot someone", would he lose your support? (Yes, I know that was a joking remark.)

[flockofseagulls104]

I stated that Trump had every right to implement your 'facts', which he does as Commander In Chief. And you named the thread 'Speaking of TDS'. His actions, which you obviously strongly opposed, are seemingly bearing fruit.

Of course he does have the right, but whether he SHOULD is another question. It does appear that progress is being made, and, as I've said repeatedly, if this leads to a peace without allowing Putin to retain the territory he invaded, then I'll be happy to give Trump the credit.

Please rise above the other leftists on this bored and at least acknowledge your bias in creating this thread.

Of course I'm biased - everyone is. My original question was based on the information at the time, and you didn't say yes or no. Hindsight, of course, is 20/20. My point is that while I may suffer from TDS, you do as well, it just that it manifests itself differently in both of us. However my initial curiosity still remains - is there anything Trump can do that you would object to? If he were to "stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot someone", would he lose your support? (Yes, I know that was a joking remark.)

Yes.
If he actually did some of the things the radical libtards accuse him of. The problem is: they accuse him of everything they can possibly think of. And most of the accusations are ridiculous and easily disproven. It's difficult to determine any that are serious.

[jarnon]

Ukraine and Russia have agreed to a monthlong pause on air attacks against civilian targets, in response to Trump’s personal diplomacy. I hope this is the first step to ending hostilities.

[earendel]

Ukraine and Russia have agreed to a monthlong pause on air attacks against civilian targets, in response to Trump’s personal diplomacy. I hope this is the first step to ending hostilities.

I must give Trump credit for bringing this about. I'm still not convinced, however, that the end result isn't going to sell Ukraine down the river. Especially since the government has stopped funding for an agency that tracks Ukrainian children that were carried off into Russia (an estimated 30,000).

[Bob Juch]

Ukraine and Russia have agreed to a monthlong pause on air attacks against civilian targets, in response to Trump’s personal diplomacy. I hope this is the first step to ending hostilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA1Nj8HdRBo