Update on Trump Legal Cases

[silverscreenselect]

I guess I'll just let trollboy blabber the spin on the immunity ruling from his bullshit world.

So the answer from the Supreme Court today to the hypothetical question of whether the Supreme Court could order Seal Team Six to assassinate a political rival is now ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY. (He's commander in chief of the armed forces.)

Could he put ambassadorship or judgeships up for sale to whoever gives him the biggest bribe? Yes.

Could he take bribes to sign or veto legislation? Yes.

It's nice to be the boss.

The only saving grace is that the opinion doesn't say how strong the presumption of immunity is for official acts that are not within the President's core powers. There are various presumptions under the law. The least onerous is the preponderance of the evidence standard, and the strongest is the presumption of innocence which must be overcome by proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If the trial court in DC holds a hearing to determine whether Trump's actions are immune, that evidence will come into the public record sooner rather than later. (They also gifted Trump by holding that his aides could not testify about many of their conversations with him, nor could some written records be introduced.)

[flockofseagulls104]

So the answer from the Supreme Court today to the hypothetical question of whether the Supreme Court could order Seal Team Six to assassinate a political rival is now ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY. (He's commander in chief of the armed forces.)

Which is what many of your friends are calling for. That's your next step.

Unintended consequences of your lawfare. You must be proud.

Obama, though, must be secretly breathing a sigh of relief.

[flockofseagulls104]

I'm not a lawyer. But Jay Sekulow is. It is HIS opinion that Jack Smith and Fani Willis's indictments are now dead in the water.

Not sure if he is above average or not.

According to Sekulow, the NY nuisance lawfare suits will apparently have to work themselves out.

But I'm sure trollboy, at least, will weigh in. As we all know, he has access to much more information than Sekulow has, and much more experience in this, and every other, area. Plus, trollboy knows everyone's motivations, an advantage Sekulow doesn't have. He'll find an 'expert' to totally debunk Jay's opinion lurking in his bullshit world.

[flockofseagulls104]

As I become more familiar with this ruling, I find it pointed out by the Court's opinion that the dissent is doing exactly what trollboy is doing:

The dissents’ positions in the end boil down to ignoring the Constitution’s separation of powers and the Court’s precedent and instead fear mongering on the basis of extreme hypotheticals about a future where the President “feels empowered to violate federal criminal law.”

I think, and they believe that those kinds of violations will be remedied by the true and legitimate use of impeachment, not the uses to which the democrats have stooped to in recent years. That is specifically why we have separation of powers, another thing the democrats have a hard time understanding. But, as we all know, trollboy knows more than they could possibly know.

In addition, Judge Thomas makes some valid and important points in his concurrence about Merrick Garland and Jack Smith. He specifically questions the legality of Smith's appointment. He contends that neither the President nor the Attorney General have the power to create an 'Office of the Special Councel'. Any official office must be created by statute from the Congress. This opinion carries a lot of weight on the continuing lawfare biden and Garland have unleashed on Trump.

biden should be very happy about this ruling. It will let him off the hook for so many things he has done while in office. Not so much for other things he has done. But he has his mental state that will let him off for that. No jury would convict an old, feeble man who is suffering from senility. But he can be a 'sharp as a tack' president and candidate. Just depends on whether you live in the real world or the bullshit world.

[flockofseagulls104]

I guess I'll just let trollboy blabber the spin on the immunity ruling from his bullshit world.

So the answer from the Supreme Court today to the hypothetical question of whether the Supreme Court could order Seal Team Six to assassinate a political rival is now ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY. (He's commander in chief of the armed forces.)

Could he put ambassadorship or judgeships up for sale to whoever gives him the biggest bribe? Yes.

Could he take bribes to sign or veto legislation? Yes.

It's nice to be the boss.

The only saving grace is that the opinion doesn't say how strong the presumption of immunity is for official acts that are not within the President's core powers. There are various presumptions under the law. The least onerous is the preponderance of the evidence standard, and the strongest is the presumption of innocence which must be overcome by proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If the trial court in DC holds a hearing to determine whether Trump's actions are immune, that evidence will come into the public record sooner rather than later. (They also gifted Trump by holding that his aides could not testify about many of their conversations with him, nor could some written records be introduced.)

Well we got mrkelley going on record as wanting the President to assassinate Trump. TDS is even more serious a condition than I thought. You want to go on record for it too, trollboy? Show us who you are? Maybe you guys can start a petition. biden's impaired enough he might actually do it. To my knowledge the only President to order the military to kill American citizens is Obama. I guess he now has immunity for that.

[mrkelley23]

I guess I'll just let trollboy blabber the spin on the immunity ruling from his bullshit world.

So the answer from the Supreme Court today to the hypothetical question of whether the Supreme Court could order Seal Team Six to assassinate a political rival is now ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY. (He's commander in chief of the armed forces.)

Could he put ambassadorship or judgeships up for sale to whoever gives him the biggest bribe? Yes.

Could he take bribes to sign or veto legislation? Yes.

It's nice to be the boss.

The only saving grace is that the opinion doesn't say how strong the presumption of immunity is for official acts that are not within the President's core powers. There are various presumptions under the law. The least onerous is the preponderance of the evidence standard, and the strongest is the presumption of innocence which must be overcome by proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If the trial court in DC holds a hearing to determine whether Trump's actions are immune, that evidence will come into the public record sooner rather than later. (They also gifted Trump by holding that his aides could not testify about many of their conversations with him, nor could some written records be introduced.)

Well we got mrkelley going on record as wanting the President to assassinate Trump. TDS is even more serious a condition than I thought. You want to go on record for it too, trollboy? Show us who you are? Maybe you guys can start a petition. biden's impaired enough he might actually do it. To my knowledge the only President to order the military to kill American citizens is Obama. I guess he now has immunity for that.

Here's my evidence. Where's yours?

[flockofseagulls104]

Some biased article about Liz Cheney? That's your evidence? You use that to justify the calling for the murder of an ex and future President?

If you are not already, you need to join the antifa thugs. Still waiting for a chastisement or even just a wow from the other lefties on the bored. Even the ones that masquerade ass non-partisan. You all agree that Trump should be killed?

Here's my evidence.

You people are way out of control. And your media is inciting you. Any violence that occurs is coming from you. We are against violence and always have been.

[flockofseagulls104]

Looks like President Trump will be able to accept his nomination in person.

The bullshit world prosecutors in NY are not opposing delaying the sentencing until at least July 24th. They are starting to understand the laws of bullshit world are superceded by Supreme Court rulings in the real world. They, in their zeal to 'get Trump' used evidence that the Supreme Court has decided is protected, official communications to prosecute him for entering legal expenses as legal expenses in the books.
Could lead to a mistrial in the real world, but Trump will forever be a convicted felon in bullshit world no matter what happens.

In the meantime, bullshit world strips Rudy Guiliani of his law license in NY for questioning the results of the 2020 election, which he had a proven basis to do, in addition to his first amendment rights (which don't exist in bullshit world for conservatives.)

He had previously been pressured to signing a paper in which he 'admits' to false statements in order to avoid the expensive lawfare being waged on him. He still will have to liquidate most of his assets to pay his legal debts. Bullshit world has an inexhaustible supply of lawyers who love to file any suit they can make up against their perceived enemies. Not being in line with bullshit world can be expensive in the real world. At least temporarily if someone in the real world has the guts to challenge the bullshit.

Don't understand why the biden politburo (we all know biden isn't in charge of anything) doesn't just shoot the lot of them now that they think they have immunity for assassination. Save a lot of trouble for them, especially since their base is apparently all for it. After all, the politburo members will escape any possible accountability. It will all put on their frontman, who won't even know what's happening.

[flockofseagulls104]

The writing is on the wall for the Merchan-Bragg lawfare case.

I know that I don't know, but I will state my lay opinion that this case is toast. Even if I am proven wrong, I still have a much better record than any of the self-described prognosticators on this bored. I also wish and hope Jack Smith and Merrick Garland's lawfare attempts are toast as well. If that does happen, I guess that leaves mrkelley's option. Unlike mrkelley, I don't believe the democrats are cowards. They are just weighing their options if they go through with it. They have already shown they have no moral or ethical restraints for anything.

[silverscreenselect]

In the meantime, bullshit world strips Rudy Guiliani of his law license in NY for questioning the results of the 2020 election, which he had a proven basis to do, in addition to his first amendment rights (which don't exist in bullshit world for conservatives.)

There is a vast difference between what ordinary citizens are allowed to say and what attorneys, who are officers of the court, are allowed to state in sworn filings. Rudy's "proven basis" has never been proven to the satisfaction of a single court anywhere in this country.

[flockofseagulls104]

In the meantime, bullshit world strips Rudy Guiliani of his law license in NY for questioning the results of the 2020 election, which he had a proven basis to do, in addition to his first amendment rights (which don't exist in bullshit world for conservatives.)

There is a vast difference between what ordinary citizens are allowed to say and what attorneys, who are officers of the court, are allowed to state in sworn filings. Rudy's "proven basis" has never been proven to the satisfaction of a single court anywhere in this country.

Let me put it another way, trollboy. Seriously, what judge in this country is going to bang his or her gavel and say "Well, I've seen the evidence, and because of that, I am declaring that biden did not win the election." NONE. Not one. There's not a one of them that would have the courage to do so. And not one of them wants to be put in the situation where they would have to make the decision to do that. So they have avoided it for technical reasons, for 'standing' issues or by saying, 'Yeah, I've seen the evidence, but it's not enough to change the election results, so we'll just ignore it'.

That is the gist of your 60 court cases. I have, on this bored, shown you documented evidence of fraud, and the GA State Election Board has found enough fraud, malfeasance and cover up to put the results of the 2020 election in question. The ONLY way to settle the question is to recount the ACTUAL ballots, not do a recount of the machine numbers, but the SOS refuses to let anyone see the actual ballots, even though they are under a GA Supreme Court order to do so. They are even threatening now to destroy the ballots, saying there is no room for them, even though Fulton County has just opened a 600,000 Sq Ft facility. Raffensperger can spout all he wants, but when it comes down to put up or shut up, he fights any transparency tooth and nail. He is a LIAR.

Shut up, already, about your 60 court cases.

[silverscreenselect]

Let me put it another way, trollboy. Seriously, what judge in this country is going to bang his or her gavel and say "Well, I've seen the evidence, and because of that, I am declaring that biden did not win the election." NONE. Not one. There's not a one of them that would have the courage to do so.

Of course, you're including a whole lot of Republican-appointed or elected judges among your chickens. And that's the problem with your "evidence." It's never been vetted. It's never been subject to cross-examination and rebuttal. That's how the justice system works and that's why you've lost 60 court cases.

[flockofseagulls104]

Let me put it another way, trollboy. Seriously, what judge in this country is going to bang his or her gavel and say "Well, I've seen the evidence, and because of that, I am declaring that biden did not win the election." NONE. Not one. There's not a one of them that would have the courage to do so.

Of course, you're including a whole lot of Republican-appointed or elected judges among your chickens. And that's the problem with your "evidence." It's never been vetted. It's never been subject to cross-examination and rebuttal. That's how the justice system works and that's why you've lost 60 court cases.

What your problem is: You never learn from anything. Who says republicans are any more courageous? I never did. Everyone is afraid of the power of the swamp. And you are correct. No one has dared to vet the evidence. They don''t want to even look at it. That's what I just told you. Do you have any cognitive ability?

All those cases have ever done was rely on the 'proclamations' of liars like Raffensperger. They have presented no proof. And Raffy has vigorously fought any attempt to provide any verification of his numbers, even though it has been validated by a State Election Board investigation that there are serious doubts to his numbers. Please read and understand what I post before you post your knee-jerk response. Save us all time.

[flockofseagulls104]

While the lawfare against trump is falling apart, maybe you people still in the darkness of the corruption of the deep state can look at this. This is what is called EVIDENCE in the world outside your bullshit world. It can be replicated and verified using public data that is out there, if one cares to do it. It also requires some concentration, brain power and willingness to comprehend, something that is apparently lacking in the bullshit world.

THis is deliberate FRAUD and DID OCCUR in the 2020 election in Georgia. It is not an isolated incident. You can relax in your delusional bullshit world and continue to think what you are being told to think, or you can maybe, for once, think for your self and realize that if they have lied to you for 4+ years about the president's senility, they might possibly be lying to you about other things.

[silverscreenselect]

The federal bankruptcy judge overseeing Rudy Giuliani's case has dismissed the case because Giuliani had not been forthcoming in the various filings he had made to the court regarding his assets. This means that Giuliani's creditors can now go after his assets as soon as legally permitted in the various states where the assets are located. Giuliani's biggest creditors are Georgia election workers Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, who received a $148 million defamation judgment and verdict against Giuliani. It will be interesting to see where Giuliani gets the money to pay his criminal defense attorneys in Arizona and Georgia, where he is a named defendant in election interference cases. Trump's immunity defense is personal and doesn't apply to Rudy or any other defendant in any state case. And since those are state cases, Trump can't pardon Giuliani either, if he gets re-elected.

Typical with Trump, those loyal to him wind up holding the bag (although in Rudy's case, the bag is pretty much empty by now). It's a good thing for Rudy that New York still has some guaranteed housing for the homeless, although with all the cutting away of the law, I'm not sure Rudy would qualify any more.

[flockofseagulls104]

The federal bankruptcy judge overseeing Rudy Giuliani's case has dismissed the case because Giuliani had not been forthcoming in the various filings he had made to the court regarding his assets. This means that Giuliani's creditors can now go after his assets as soon as legally permitted in the various states where the assets are located. Giuliani's biggest creditors are Georgia election workers Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, who received a $148 million defamation judgment and verdict against Giuliani. It will be interesting to see where Giuliani gets the money to pay his criminal defense attorneys in Arizona and Georgia, where he is a named defendant in election interference cases. Trump's immunity defense is personal and doesn't apply to Rudy or any other defendant in any state case. And since those are state cases, Trump can't pardon Giuliani either, if he gets re-elected.

Typical with Trump, those loyal to him wind up holding the bag (although in Rudy's case, the bag is pretty much empty by now). It's a good thing for Rudy that New York still has some guaranteed housing for the homeless, although with all the cutting away of the law, I'm not sure Rudy would qualify any more.

Um, when are the 51 'intelligence experts' going to have their lives ruined for election interference?

[wbtravis007]

The federal bankruptcy judge overseeing Rudy Giuliani's case has dismissed the case because Giuliani had not been forthcoming in the various filings he had made to the court regarding his assets. This means that Giuliani's creditors can now go after his assets as soon as legally permitted in the various states where the assets are located. Giuliani's biggest creditors are Georgia election workers Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, who received a $148 million defamation judgment and verdict against Giuliani. It will be interesting to see where Giuliani gets the money to pay his criminal defense attorneys in Arizona and Georgia, where he is a named defendant in election interference cases. Trump's immunity defense is personal and doesn't apply to Rudy or any other defendant in any state case. And since those are state cases, Trump can't pardon Giuliani either, if he gets re-elected.

Typical with Trump, those loyal to him wind up holding the bag (although in Rudy's case, the bag is pretty much empty by now). It's a good thing for Rudy that New York still has some guaranteed housing for the homeless, although with all the cutting away of the law, I'm not sure Rudy would qualify any more.

Um, when are the 51 'intelligence experts' going to have their lives ruined for election interference?

Maybe if one of them breaks a law or gets sued by somebody successfully.

[flockofseagulls104]

Another one bites the dust.

Will Fani be next?

[silverscreenselect]

Another one bites the dust.

Will Fani be next?

This decision is appealable to the Eleventh Circuit, and most legal scholars didn't think much of the merits of this claim. If the 11th Circuit reverses Judge Cannon, they also have the authority now to remove her from the case, which is a distinct possibility.

[flockofseagulls104]

most legal scholars

The same 'legal scholars' that think Judge Merchan and Judge Engoron are the greatest legal minds of our time?
Gimme a break.

[wbtravis007]

Another one bites the dust.

Will Fani be next?

This decision is appealable to the Eleventh Circuit, and most legal scholars didn't think much of the merits of this claim. If the 11th Circuit reverses Judge Cannon, they also have the authority now to remove her from the case, which is a distinct possibility.

Good riddance. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't appeal -- and just have a US Attorney pursue this -- and be rid of this incompetent and corrupt judge without having to count on her removal this time.

[flockofseagulls104]

Another one bites the dust.

Will Fani be next?

This decision is appealable to the Eleventh Circuit, and most legal scholars didn't think much of the merits of this claim. If the 11th Circuit reverses Judge Cannon, they also have the authority now to remove her from the case, which is a distinct possibility.

So let's spend more taxpayers money pursuing lawfare against the republican nominee because he is of sound mind, as opposed to the democratic nominee who actually violated the laws they are accusing Trump of, who is NOT of sound mind.

[flockofseagulls104]

Fani Willis Case postponed until Dec.

Lawfare falling apart. Can your bullshit world lawyers appeal the appeal of the appeal of the appeal? If so, they got the money and the lawyers to do it.

Poor trollboy. More bad news.

[flockofseagulls104]

Trollboy is leaving this thread alone now. Nothing much to say since things aren't going his way.

Let's see what he has to say about this.

This is exactly what I have been warning about for years. The willful skirting, ignoring and sweeping under the rug of real issues. No one on either side is going to trust the election results BECAUSE of inaction. The LEFT are the real election deniers. They deny anything that gets in the way of their narrative.

[kroxquo]

Trollboy is leaving this thread alone now. Nothing much to say since things aren't going his way.

Let's see what he has to say about this.

This is exactly what I have been warning about for years. The willful skirting, ignoring and sweeping under the rug of real issues. No one on either side is going to trust the election results BECAUSE of inaction. The LEFT are the real election deniers. They deny anything that gets in the way of their narrative.

I do not participate in personal attacks and name calling in discussions here and find it tiresome when others (of both sides) do so. However I am calling this out. I find it contemptible to call Steve's health issues as he described them in the other thread as "things not going his way" and thinking he gives a rat's ass about this at the moment. Maybe he will respond and if he does, he is a stronger person than I am because I sure as hell wouldn't. He is potentially in a fight for his life on top of the other health issues he has dealt with for himself and his wife.

If you, or BackinTX, or even Spock had major health issues such as these I would express my concern and send good vibes. That is what compassionate human beings do for each other.