Biden is an asshole

[Beebs52]

That is all.

[Beebs52]

Nothing like a paid for political speech on primetime. Bless his heart.

[tlynn78]

Sickening

[BackInTex]

WPE is a friend to the enemies of the Republic.

[Bob78164]

Let me get this straight. Elected Republicans and nominated Republicans across the country are making light of a hammer attack that gave an 82-year-old man a skull fracture, but President Biden is the asshole? Do you ever listen to yourself? --Bob

[Beebs52]

Let me get this straight. Elected Republicans and nominated Republicans across the country are making light of a hammer attack that gave an 82-year-old man a skull fracture, but President Biden is the asshole? Do you ever listen to yourself? --Bob

Who's making light of that? Biden is accusing repubs for it. Are you crazy?

[Bob78164]

Let me get this straight. Elected Republicans and nominated Republicans across the country are making light of a hammer attack that gave an 82-year-old man a skull fracture, but President Biden is the asshole? Do you ever listen to yourself? --Bob

Who's making light of that? Biden is accusing repubs for it. Are you crazy?

Seriously? You haven't seen the coverage of candidates like Kari Lake mocking the attack? Of Glenn Youngkin saying that he'll send Speaker Pelosi back to California to be with him? Read this for some additional examples.

And that's leaving aside Donny Junior tweeting a picture of a hammer on top of a pair of underwear and calling it his "Paul Pelosi Halloween costume." Your Party is seriously sick, and your Party's leaders won't do anything about it. --Bob

[Beebs52]

Oh please

[tlynn78]

Let me get this straight. Elected Republicans and nominated Republicans across the country are making light of a hammer attack that gave an 82-year-old man a skull fracture, but President Biden is the asshole? Do you ever listen to yourself? --Bob

Who's making light of that? Biden is accusing repubs for it. Are you crazy?

Seriously? You haven't seen the coverage of candidates like Kari Lake mocking the attack? Of Glenn Youngkin saying that he'll send Speaker Pelosi back to California to be with him? Read this for some additional examples.

And that's leaving aside Donny Junior tweeting a picture of a hammer on top of a pair of underwear and calling it his "Paul Pelosi Halloween costume." Your Party is seriously sick, and your Party's leaders won't do anything about it. --Bob

Find another fantasy, Bobbo, the Republican party isn't going away, no matter how tightly you cross your fingers.

[frogman042]

I try to stay out of these threads but until every republican from former President Trump on down shouts from the mountaintop that this act of violence was despicable, totally unjustified and not what we stand for in any way shape or form, then they will be tacitly responsible if attacks like this reoccur. The fact that the attacker had posted the same rhetoric that they themselves have put out there in and of itself does not make them culpable, but by not flat out condemning it (or putting their condemnation as a prelude to a sick and inappropriate joke) and in addition not telling all their supporters that not only violence is not a solution but if you participate in it or encourage it - that you are not one of them and you not only don't want their support but you will do everything in your power to ostracize them. By not during that they have sent the message that it is OK with them and that they stand with the attacker. Even some folks on this bored thought that it was OK to joke about it as if over 45,000 gun deaths in a year (2020) is somehow comparable to hammer attacks.

Until they do that they are indeed complicit in not only this horrendous act but even more to the point, they will be responsible for any further political violence that is done in their name.

[Bob Juch]

Now they're blaming Biden's lax immigration enforcement.

[BackInTex]

Now they're blaming Biden's lax immigration enforcement.

That's a stretch. Yes he was here illegally but he is Canadian and overstayed his visa. Not really the issue with regards to lax immigration law enforcement.

[BackInTex]

I try to stay out of these threads but until every republican from former President Trump on down shouts from the mountaintop that this act of violence was despicable, totally unjustified and not what we stand for in any way shape or form, then they will be tacitly responsible if attacks like this reoccur. The fact that the attacker had posted the same rhetoric that they themselves have put out there in and of itself does not make them culpable, but by not flat out condemning it (or putting their condemnation as a prelude to a sick and inappropriate joke) and in addition not telling all their supporters that not only violence is not a solution but if you participate in it or encourage it - that you are not one of them and you not only don't want their support but you will do everything in your power to ostracize them. By not during that they have sent the message that it is OK with them and that they stand with the attacker. Even some folks on this bored thought that it was OK to joke about it as if over 45,000 gun deaths in a year (2020) is somehow comparable to hammer attacks.

Until they do that they are indeed complicit in not only this horrendous act but even more to the point, they will be responsible for any further political violence that is done in their name.

The mountain top was not crowded when Steve Scalise was shot, or Rand Paul attacked. Even Pelosi's own daughter tweeted mean stuff when Rand was attacked.

Of course even WPE continues to use the "MAGA Republican" tag in his speeches call us threats to democracy. The fire is coming from both sides.

[tlynn78]

I try to stay out of these threads but until every republican from former President Trump on down shouts from the mountaintop that this act of violence was despicable, totally unjustified and not what we stand for in any way shape or form, then they will be tacitly responsible if attacks like this reoccur. The fact that the attacker had posted the same rhetoric that they themselves have put out there in and of itself does not make them culpable, but by not flat out condemning it (or putting their condemnation as a prelude to a sick and inappropriate joke) and in addition not telling all their supporters that not only violence is not a solution but if you participate in it or encourage it - that you are not one of them and you not only don't want their support but you will do everything in your power to ostracize them. By not during that they have sent the message that it is OK with them and that they stand with the attacker. Even some folks on this bored thought that it was OK to joke about it as if over 45,000 gun deaths in a year (2020) is somehow comparable to hammer attacks.

Until they do that they are indeed complicit in not only this horrendous act but even more to the point, they will be responsible for any further political violence that is done in their name.

The mountain top was not crowded when Steve Scalise was shot, or Rand Paul attacked. Even Pelosi's own daughter tweeted mean stuff when Rand was attacked.

Of course even TPE continues to use the "MAGA Republican" tag in his speeches call us threats to democracy. The fire is coming from both sides.

C'mon, man, don't muddy the waters with facts. Their 'high road' is paved with offal.

[Bob Juch]

Now they're blaming Biden's lax immigration enforcement.

That's a stretch. Yes he was here illegally but he is Canadian and overstayed his visa. Not really the issue with regards to lax immigration law enforcement.

Please convince the Maghats of that.

[Spock]

Let me get this straight. Elected Republicans and nominated Republicans across the country are making light of a hammer attack that gave an 82-year-old man a skull fracture, but President Biden is the asshole? Do you ever listen to yourself? --Bob

Who's making light of that? Biden is accusing repubs for it. Are you crazy?

Seriously? You haven't seen the coverage of candidates like Kari Lake mocking the attack? Of Glenn Youngkin saying that he'll send Speaker Pelosi back to California to be with him? Read this for some additional examples.

And that's leaving aside Donny Junior tweeting a picture of a hammer on top of a pair of underwear and calling it his "Paul Pelosi Halloween costume." Your Party is seriously sick, and your Party's leaders won't do anything about it. --Bob

Just curious. With all the pearl clutching that you do-do you have to replace them every so often or what?

[frogman042]

I try to stay out of these threads but until every republican from former President Trump on down shouts from the mountaintop that this act of violence was despicable, totally unjustified and not what we stand for in any way shape or form, then they will be tacitly responsible if attacks like this reoccur. The fact that the attacker had posted the same rhetoric that they themselves have put out there in and of itself does not make them culpable, but by not flat out condemning it (or putting their condemnation as a prelude to a sick and inappropriate joke) and in addition not telling all their supporters that not only violence is not a solution but if you participate in it or encourage it - that you are not one of them and you not only don't want their support but you will do everything in your power to ostracize them. By not during that they have sent the message that it is OK with them and that they stand with the attacker. Even some folks on this bored thought that it was OK to joke about it as if over 45,000 gun deaths in a year (2020) is somehow comparable to hammer attacks.

Until they do that they are indeed complicit in not only this horrendous act but even more to the point, they will be responsible for any further political violence that is done in their name.

The mountain top was not crowded when Steve Scalise was shot, or Rand Paul attacked. Even Pelosi's own daughter tweeted mean stuff when Rand was attacked.

Of course even WPE continues to use the "MAGA Republican" tag in his speeches call us threats to democracy. The fire is coming from both sides.

Let us momentarily put aside your whataboutism. Are you saying that the republicans from the former President on down, shouldn't condemn the attacks on political opponents? Shouldn't say we are not a party that promotes violent attacks on people who we disagree with? Shouldn't say that these attackers are twisting our message when they use violence? Shouldn't say to those who do resort to violence - you do not speak for us, you are not one with us, where you go, we do not go? This has nothing to do with whether the Democrats do or not do in the same behavior, this is taking responsibility for your own party and followers and making it undeniably clear that this is not who you, yourself are and that you do not want the support of those who think violence is a valid form of political action. This has nothing to do with crime in general, immigration, what the other side has done or not done. If any hate group (regardless of where on the political spectrum) try to use any of my words or actions to justify violence, I would make it unambiguously clear in every way possible that I condemn their actions, and I would do everything to ostracize them, not give a wink and a nod, play word games, or pathetically say but, but, but, well what about...

It would be nice if you could directly and sincerely answer my questions and either point to where the Republican leadership has done what I believe the should have done immediately or point out why they shouldn't have done what I think that they should have done and thereby try to prevent any future acts of horrific violence.

Regarding the horrific shooting of Steve Scalise - Here was Nancy Pelosi's immediate response:

This morning, the U.S. Congress suffered a despicable and cowardly attack. My thoughts and prayers are with Whip Steve Scalise and the others wounded, Capitol Police and staff, and their families. We are profoundly grateful for the heroism of the Capitol Police, whose bravery under fire undoubtedly saved countless lives. On days like today, there are no Democrats or Republicans, only Americans united in our hopes and prayers for the wounded.

The shooter, I believe was a Bernie Sander's supporter. This was Senator Sanders' response:

I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values.

Regarding the attack of Rand Paul, I'm not going to bother researching it because I don't think it is comparable - IIRC it was an attack by his neighbor over mowing or property boundaries or something like that - I'm not sure it was ever political violence that I'm aware of, if I'm wrong I would appreciate you citing information that it was both politically motivated and that prominent Democrats promoted it either before or after the attack.

Finally, anyone who in this day and age still continues to refuse to accept that the results of 2020 and still claim that it was stolen is indeed a threat to democracy. Here is an analogy. Lets say I'm involved in a legal dispute and it goes to court and the result is a judgement that I think was wrongly decided, so I appeal, and continually lose until the appeal process is exhausted, but I still feel it was wrongly decided - do I have the right to take the law into my own hands and by violence try to get the outcome I want or do I have to accept the consequence I don't agree with? If I lost an election I thought I legally won, and then exhaust the legal methods of challenging it, but still lost - how is not accepting the results, using violence to try to force the outcome I want, try to elect future representatives who vow to only accept results that they want but to overturn and throwout all results that they don't like not a threat to democracy? To me, democracy means accepting the results of free and fair elections, even if I don't like the outcome. What is happening is objectively counter to the definition of democracy that I provided. If throwing out the results of elections you don't like, but legally are legitimate, is not a threat to democracy - then tell me what democracy means to you?

[frogman042]

Who's making light of that? Biden is accusing repubs for it. Are you crazy?

Seriously? You haven't seen the coverage of candidates like Kari Lake mocking the attack? Of Glenn Youngkin saying that he'll send Speaker Pelosi back to California to be with him? Read this for some additional examples.

And that's leaving aside Donny Junior tweeting a picture of a hammer on top of a pair of underwear and calling it his "Paul Pelosi Halloween costume." Your Party is seriously sick, and your Party's leaders won't do anything about it. --Bob

Just curious. With all the pearl clutching that you do-do you have to replace them every so often or what?

Vacuous response noted.

[tlynn78]

I try to stay out of these threads but until every republican from former President Trump on down shouts from the mountaintop that this act of violence was despicable, totally unjustified and not what we stand for in any way shape or form, then they will be tacitly responsible if attacks like this reoccur. The fact that the attacker had posted the same rhetoric that they themselves have put out there in and of itself does not make them culpable, but by not flat out condemning it (or putting their condemnation as a prelude to a sick and inappropriate joke) and in addition not telling all their supporters that not only violence is not a solution but if you participate in it or encourage it - that you are not one of them and you not only don't want their support but you will do everything in your power to ostracize them. By not during that they have sent the message that it is OK with them and that they stand with the attacker. Even some folks on this bored thought that it was OK to joke about it as if over 45,000 gun deaths in a year (2020) is somehow comparable to hammer attacks.

Until they do that they are indeed complicit in not only this horrendous act but even more to the point, they will be responsible for any further political violence that is done in their name.

The mountain top was not crowded when Steve Scalise was shot, or Rand Paul attacked. Even Pelosi's own daughter tweeted mean stuff when Rand was attacked.

Of course even WPE continues to use the "MAGA Republican" tag in his speeches call us threats to democracy. The fire is coming from both sides.

Let us momentarily put aside your whataboutism. Are you saying that the republicans from the former President on down, shouldn't condemn the attacks on political opponents? Shouldn't say we are not a party that promotes violent attacks on people who we disagree with? Shouldn't say that these attackers are twisting our message when they use violence? Shouldn't say to those who do resort to violence - you do not speak for us, you are not one with us, where you go, we do not go? This has nothing to do with whether the Democrats do or not do in the same behavior, this is taking responsibility for your own party and followers and making it undeniably clear that this is not who you, yourself are and that you do not want the support of those who think violence is a valid form of political action. This has nothing to do with crime in general, immigration, what the other side has done or not done. If any hate group (regardless of where on the political spectrum) try to use any of my words or actions to justify violence, I would make it unambiguously clear in every way possible that I condemn their actions, and I would do everything to ostracize them, not give a wink and a nod, play word games, or pathetically say but, but, but, well what about...

It would be nice if you could directly and sincerely answer my questions and either point to where the Republican leadership has done what I believe the should have done immediately or point out why they shouldn't have done what I think that they should have done and thereby try to prevent any future acts of horrific violence.

Regarding the horrific shooting of Steve Scalise - Here was Nancy Pelosi's immediate response:

This morning, the U.S. Congress suffered a despicable and cowardly attack. My thoughts and prayers are with Whip Steve Scalise and the others wounded, Capitol Police and staff, and their families. We are profoundly grateful for the heroism of the Capitol Police, whose bravery under fire undoubtedly saved countless lives. On days like today, there are no Democrats or Republicans, only Americans united in our hopes and prayers for the wounded.

The shooter, I believe was a Bernie Sander's supporter. This was Senator Sanders' response:

I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values.

Regarding the attack of Rand Paul, I'm not going to bother researching it because I don't think it is comparable - IIRC it was an attack by his neighbor over mowing or property boundaries or something like that - I'm not sure it was ever political violence that I'm aware of, if I'm wrong I would appreciate you citing information that it was both politically motivated and that prominent Democrats promoted it either before or after the attack.

Finally, anyone who in this day and age still continues to refuse to accept that the results of 2020 and still claim that it was stolen is indeed a threat to democracy. Here is an analogy. Lets say I'm involved in a legal dispute and it goes to court and the result is a judgement that I think was wrongly decided, so I appeal, and continually lose until the appeal process is exhausted, but I still feel it was wrongly decided - do I have the right to take the law into my own hands and by violence try to get the outcome I want or do I have to accept the consequence I don't agree with? If I lost an election I thought I legally won, and then exhaust the legal methods of challenging it, but still lost - how is not accepting the results, using violence to try to force the outcome I want, try to elect future representatives who vow to only accept results that they want but to overturn and throwout all results that they don't like not a threat to democracy? To me, democracy means accepting the results of free and fair elections, even if I don't like the outcome. What is happening is objectively counter to the definition of democracy that I provided. If throwing out the results of elections you don't like, but legally are legitimate, is not a threat to democracy - then tell me what democracy means to you?

Well, it's not "every Republican" (quite a high order, there) but this was a very easy google, if you were truly interested.

McConnell: "Horrified and disgusted by the reports that Paul Pelosi was assaulted in his and Speaker Pelosi's home last night. Grateful to hear that Paul is on track to make a full recovery and that law enforcement including our stellar Capitol Police are on the case."

Senator Thune: "Horrified and disgusted by the reports that Paul Pelosi was assaulted in his and Speaker Pelosi's home last night. Grateful to hear that Paul is on track to make a full recovery and that law enforcement including our stellar Capitol Police are on the case."

Steve Scalise: "Disgusted to hear about the horrific assault on Speaker Pelosi’s husband Paul. Grateful for law enforcement’s actions to respond.
Let’s be clear: Violence has no place in this country. I’m praying for Paul Pelosi’s full recovery."

Elise Stefanik; "Wishing a full recovery for Paul from this absolutely horrific violent attack.
This criminal should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Grateful to law enforcement for their important work."

Ronna McDaniel: "The attack on Paul Pelosi last night is terrible.

This type of violence is unacceptable and we condemn it fully.
I am thankful to hear he will make a full recovery and for the police who arrested the attacker."

Kevin McCarthy: “Well, let me be perfectly clear. Violence or threat of violence has no place in our society. And what happened to Paul Pelosi is wrong.”
McCarthy said that he spoke to the House speaker, conveyed that his “thoughts and prayers” were with the family, wished her husband a “speedy recovery,” and said he hoped “we’re able to stop this crime across our country.”

There are plenty more, but I doubt you're really interested.

[Bob78164]

The mountain top was not crowded when Steve Scalise was shot, or Rand Paul attacked. Even Pelosi's own daughter tweeted mean stuff when Rand was attacked.

Of course even WPE continues to use the "MAGA Republican" tag in his speeches call us threats to democracy. The fire is coming from both sides.

Let us momentarily put aside your whataboutism. Are you saying that the republicans from the former President on down, shouldn't condemn the attacks on political opponents? Shouldn't say we are not a party that promotes violent attacks on people who we disagree with? Shouldn't say that these attackers are twisting our message when they use violence? Shouldn't say to those who do resort to violence - you do not speak for us, you are not one with us, where you go, we do not go? This has nothing to do with whether the Democrats do or not do in the same behavior, this is taking responsibility for your own party and followers and making it undeniably clear that this is not who you, yourself are and that you do not want the support of those who think violence is a valid form of political action. This has nothing to do with crime in general, immigration, what the other side has done or not done. If any hate group (regardless of where on the political spectrum) try to use any of my words or actions to justify violence, I would make it unambiguously clear in every way possible that I condemn their actions, and I would do everything to ostracize them, not give a wink and a nod, play word games, or pathetically say but, but, but, well what about...

It would be nice if you could directly and sincerely answer my questions and either point to where the Republican leadership has done what I believe the should have done immediately or point out why they shouldn't have done what I think that they should have done and thereby try to prevent any future acts of horrific violence.

Regarding the horrific shooting of Steve Scalise - Here was Nancy Pelosi's immediate response:

This morning, the U.S. Congress suffered a despicable and cowardly attack. My thoughts and prayers are with Whip Steve Scalise and the others wounded, Capitol Police and staff, and their families. We are profoundly grateful for the heroism of the Capitol Police, whose bravery under fire undoubtedly saved countless lives. On days like today, there are no Democrats or Republicans, only Americans united in our hopes and prayers for the wounded.

The shooter, I believe was a Bernie Sander's supporter. This was Senator Sanders' response:

I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values.

Regarding the attack of Rand Paul, I'm not going to bother researching it because I don't think it is comparable - IIRC it was an attack by his neighbor over mowing or property boundaries or something like that - I'm not sure it was ever political violence that I'm aware of, if I'm wrong I would appreciate you citing information that it was both politically motivated and that prominent Democrats promoted it either before or after the attack.

Finally, anyone who in this day and age still continues to refuse to accept that the results of 2020 and still claim that it was stolen is indeed a threat to democracy. Here is an analogy. Lets say I'm involved in a legal dispute and it goes to court and the result is a judgement that I think was wrongly decided, so I appeal, and continually lose until the appeal process is exhausted, but I still feel it was wrongly decided - do I have the right to take the law into my own hands and by violence try to get the outcome I want or do I have to accept the consequence I don't agree with? If I lost an election I thought I legally won, and then exhaust the legal methods of challenging it, but still lost - how is not accepting the results, using violence to try to force the outcome I want, try to elect future representatives who vow to only accept results that they want but to overturn and throwout all results that they don't like not a threat to democracy? To me, democracy means accepting the results of free and fair elections, even if I don't like the outcome. What is happening is objectively counter to the definition of democracy that I provided. If throwing out the results of elections you don't like, but legally are legitimate, is not a threat to democracy - then tell me what democracy means to you?

Well, it's not "every Republican" (quite a high order, there) but this was a very easy google, if you were truly interested.

McConnell: "Horrified and disgusted by the reports that Paul Pelosi was assaulted in his and Speaker Pelosi's home last night. Grateful to hear that Paul is on track to make a full recovery and that law enforcement including our stellar Capitol Police are on the case."

Senator Thune: "Horrified and disgusted by the reports that Paul Pelosi was assaulted in his and Speaker Pelosi's home last night. Grateful to hear that Paul is on track to make a full recovery and that law enforcement including our stellar Capitol Police are on the case."

Steve Scalise: "Disgusted to hear about the horrific assault on Speaker Pelosi’s husband Paul. Grateful for law enforcement’s actions to respond.
Let’s be clear: Violence has no place in this country. I’m praying for Paul Pelosi’s full recovery."

Elise Stefanik; "Wishing a full recovery for Paul from this absolutely horrific violent attack.
This criminal should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Grateful to law enforcement for their important work."

Ronna McDaniel: "The attack on Paul Pelosi last night is terrible.

This type of violence is unacceptable and we condemn it fully.
I am thankful to hear he will make a full recovery and for the police who arrested the attacker."

Kevin McCarthy: “Well, let me be perfectly clear. Violence or threat of violence has no place in our society. And what happened to Paul Pelosi is wrong.”
McCarthy said that he spoke to the House speaker, conveyed that his “thoughts and prayers” were with the family, wished her husband a “speedy recovery,” and said he hoped “we’re able to stop this crime across our country.”

There are plenty more, but I doubt you're really interested.

You've missed (or ignored) the point. The point is that many prominent Republicans said things about the attack that are (or at least should be) beyond the pale, and no prominent Republicans (other than Rep. Kinzinger and Rep. Cheney) have criticized them. That means future Republicans, seeing this, now know that they can ratchet up the rhetoric to their heart's content without fearing political consequences from their party.

Leaving aside that Republicans are much more willing to engage in violent rhetoric than are Democrats (Kevin McCarthy "joked" about having to resist temptation to take the Speaker's gavel to Nancy Pelosi's skull), I don't think any prominent Democrats made comments about the prior assaults that are remotely comparable to what we're seeing now. And when Schumer stepped out of line, he quickly faced significant blowback FROM HIS OWN PARTY.

That's what's missing here. Elected Republicans aren't willing to criticize candidates who are catering to the most extreme elements of society. It's a recipe for stochastic terrorism, and that's exactly what we're starting to see.

And since you're an elected Republican official who is apparently unwilling to criticize these out-of-line statements, preferring instead to excuse them or try to deflect attention from them, you're definitely part of the problem. --Bob

[tlynn78]

Bobbo: "You've missed (or ignored) the point. The point is that many prominent Republicans said things about the attack that are (or at least should be) beyond the pale, and no prominent Republicans (other than Rep. Kinzinger and Rep. Cheney) have criticized them. That means future Republicans, seeing this, now know that they can ratchet up the rhetoric to their heart's content without fearing political consequences from their party.

Leaving aside that Republicans are much more willing to engage in violent rhetoric than are Democrats (Kevin McCarthy "joked" about having to resist temptation to take the Speaker's gavel to Nancy Pelosi's skull), I don't think any prominent Democrats made comments about the prior assaults that are remotely comparable to what we're seeing now. And when Schumer stepped out of line, he quickly faced significant blowback FROM HIS OWN PARTY.

That's what's missing here. Elected Republicans aren't willing to criticize candidates who are catering to the most extreme elements of society. It's a recipe for stochastic terrorism, and that's exactly what we're starting to see.

And since you're an elected Republican official who is apparently unwilling to criticize these out-of-line statements, preferring instead to excuse them or try to deflect attention from them, you're definitely part of the problem. --Bob"

No, Bobbo, the point I was addressing was:
Frogman: "...and either point to where the Republican leadership has done what I believe the should have done..." That's exactly what I did. And as your opinion could not be less relevant to me, I'll ignore the remainder of your drivel.

[BackInTex]

It's a recipe for stochastic terrorism, and that's exactly what we're starting to see.

Glad to see you're still getting the Democratic Party's email blasts.

Look, what happened to Paul Pelosi was terrible. It was a crime and I hope that the perp receives punishment to the full extent of the law. But I'll be honest, it is hard to feel bad for someone who's wife, and I'll assume him, could give a shit about the 1,000s of other victims of crime based on their policies and support for those who implement the policies that put normal citizens at much greater risk than themselves.

[tlynn78]

It's a recipe for stochastic terrorism, and that's exactly what we're starting to see.

Glad to see you're still getting the Democratic Party's email blasts.

Look, what happened to Paul Pelosi was terrible. It was a crime and I hope that the perp receives punishment to the full extent of the law. But I'll be honest, it is hard to feel bad for someone who's wife, and I'll assume him, could give a shit about the 1,000s of other victims of crime based on their policies and support for those who implement the policies that put normal citizens at much greater risk than themselves.

If you want to see an excellent example of stochastic terrorism, you don't have to look beyond our current President's speeches.

[frogman042]

The mountain top was not crowded when Steve Scalise was shot, or Rand Paul attacked. Even Pelosi's own daughter tweeted mean stuff when Rand was attacked.

Of course even WPE continues to use the "MAGA Republican" tag in his speeches call us threats to democracy. The fire is coming from both sides.

Let us momentarily put aside your whataboutism. Are you saying that the republicans from the former President on down, shouldn't condemn the attacks on political opponents? Shouldn't say we are not a party that promotes violent attacks on people who we disagree with? Shouldn't say that these attackers are twisting our message when they use violence? Shouldn't say to those who do resort to violence - you do not speak for us, you are not one with us, where you go, we do not go? This has nothing to do with whether the Democrats do or not do in the same behavior, this is taking responsibility for your own party and followers and making it undeniably clear that this is not who you, yourself are and that you do not want the support of those who think violence is a valid form of political action. This has nothing to do with crime in general, immigration, what the other side has done or not done. If any hate group (regardless of where on the political spectrum) try to use any of my words or actions to justify violence, I would make it unambiguously clear in every way possible that I condemn their actions, and I would do everything to ostracize them, not give a wink and a nod, play word games, or pathetically say but, but, but, well what about...

It would be nice if you could directly and sincerely answer my questions and either point to where the Republican leadership has done what I believe the should have done immediately or point out why they shouldn't have done what I think that they should have done and thereby try to prevent any future acts of horrific violence.

Regarding the horrific shooting of Steve Scalise - Here was Nancy Pelosi's immediate response:

This morning, the U.S. Congress suffered a despicable and cowardly attack. My thoughts and prayers are with Whip Steve Scalise and the others wounded, Capitol Police and staff, and their families. We are profoundly grateful for the heroism of the Capitol Police, whose bravery under fire undoubtedly saved countless lives. On days like today, there are no Democrats or Republicans, only Americans united in our hopes and prayers for the wounded.

The shooter, I believe was a Bernie Sander's supporter. This was Senator Sanders' response:

I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values.

Regarding the attack of Rand Paul, I'm not going to bother researching it because I don't think it is comparable - IIRC it was an attack by his neighbor over mowing or property boundaries or something like that - I'm not sure it was ever political violence that I'm aware of, if I'm wrong I would appreciate you citing information that it was both politically motivated and that prominent Democrats promoted it either before or after the attack.

Finally, anyone who in this day and age still continues to refuse to accept that the results of 2020 and still claim that it was stolen is indeed a threat to democracy. Here is an analogy. Lets say I'm involved in a legal dispute and it goes to court and the result is a judgement that I think was wrongly decided, so I appeal, and continually lose until the appeal process is exhausted, but I still feel it was wrongly decided - do I have the right to take the law into my own hands and by violence try to get the outcome I want or do I have to accept the consequence I don't agree with? If I lost an election I thought I legally won, and then exhaust the legal methods of challenging it, but still lost - how is not accepting the results, using violence to try to force the outcome I want, try to elect future representatives who vow to only accept results that they want but to overturn and throwout all results that they don't like not a threat to democracy? To me, democracy means accepting the results of free and fair elections, even if I don't like the outcome. What is happening is objectively counter to the definition of democracy that I provided. If throwing out the results of elections you don't like, but legally are legitimate, is not a threat to democracy - then tell me what democracy means to you?

Well, it's not "every Republican" (quite a high order, there) but this was a very easy google, if you were truly interested.

McConnell: "Horrified and disgusted by the reports that Paul Pelosi was assaulted in his and Speaker Pelosi's home last night. Grateful to hear that Paul is on track to make a full recovery and that law enforcement including our stellar Capitol Police are on the case."

Senator Thune: "Horrified and disgusted by the reports that Paul Pelosi was assaulted in his and Speaker Pelosi's home last night. Grateful to hear that Paul is on track to make a full recovery and that law enforcement including our stellar Capitol Police are on the case."

Steve Scalise: "Disgusted to hear about the horrific assault on Speaker Pelosi’s husband Paul. Grateful for law enforcement’s actions to respond.
Let’s be clear: Violence has no place in this country. I’m praying for Paul Pelosi’s full recovery."

Elise Stefanik; "Wishing a full recovery for Paul from this absolutely horrific violent attack.
This criminal should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Grateful to law enforcement for their important work."

Ronna McDaniel: "The attack on Paul Pelosi last night is terrible.

This type of violence is unacceptable and we condemn it fully.
I am thankful to hear he will make a full recovery and for the police who arrested the attacker."

Kevin McCarthy: “Well, let me be perfectly clear. Violence or threat of violence has no place in our society. And what happened to Paul Pelosi is wrong.”
McCarthy said that he spoke to the House speaker, conveyed that his “thoughts and prayers” were with the family, wished her husband a “speedy recovery,” and said he hoped “we’re able to stop this crime across our country.”

There are plenty more, but I doubt you're really interested.

I am interested but that is beside the point. A few follow-up questions if you will indulge me - did you see these responses during your normal news consumption or did you google them? Is Mitch McConnell and Senator Thune's responses a cut-and-paste error on your part or did they happen to say the exact same thing - word-for-word? Do you think a typical MAGA supporter would have either seen these responses during their normal news consumption or not? Do you think the typical MAGA republican would care what Mitch McConnell or other main-stream Republicans think and would they have much of an influence on a MAGA's thoughts and acts - or do you think they more than likely respond to the remarks of President Trump, Majorie Taylor Green, Laureen Boebert, etc? Were the remarks of Sen. McConnell and others given widespread coverage on media feeds that cater to right-wing consumers? Do you really believe that the message that the Republican leaders who have said and posted the same rhetoric that the attack posted on his social media account have denounced him in such a way as to make it clear that they will not tolerate or condone such behavior? Cursory searches indicates that the right leaning news outlets are not pushing the idea that Republicans feel that these attacks do not represent who they are but appear to be more focused on either - poor us those mean Democrats are blaming us as being culpable - or that it is really the Dems fault because they only care about crime when it happens to them.

Anyway, I am pretty done with posting on this as I think it is a futile effort and folks are so entrenched in their own sides and the other side must always be wrong regardless of what actually is the facts and actions.

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Frogman: "I am interested but that is beside the point. A few follow-up questions if you will indulge me - did you see these responses during your normal news consumption or did you google them? Is Mitch McConnell and Senator Thune's responses a cut-and-paste error on your part or did they happen to say the exact same thing - word-for-word? Do you think a typical MAGA supporter would have either seen these responses during their normal news consumption or not? Do you think the typical MAGA republican would care what Mitch McConnell or other main-stream Republicans think and would they have much of an influence on a MAGA's thoughts and acts - or do you think they more than likely respond to the remarks of President Trump, Majorie Taylor Green, Laureen Boebert, etc? Were the remarks of Sen. McConnell and others given widespread coverage on media feeds that cater to right-wing consumers? Do you really believe that the message that the Republican leaders who have said and posted the same rhetoric that the attack posted on his social media account have denounced him in such a way as to make it clear that they will not tolerate or condone such behavior? Cursory searches indicates that the right leaning news outlets are not pushing the idea that Republicans feel that these attacks do not represent who they are but appear to be more focused on either - poor us those mean Democrats are blaming us as being culpable - or that it is really the Dems fault because they only care about crime when it happens to them.

Anyway, I am pretty done with posting on this as I think it is a futile effort and folks are so entrenched in their own sides and the other side must always be wrong regardless of what actually is the facts and actions." --- you certainly have that right.

Googled, all from one site. I didn't go back and check, but the McConnell/Thune thing was probably a copy/paste error on my part. Since I have no idea of what a "MAGA supporter" is, (in your view, I'm guessing not someone who wants to Make America Great Again), I can't answer that; I don't know what others' news consumption patterns are. Additionally, we on the right tend not to be as prescient or adept at mind-reading as the left-leaning geniuses who know exactly what others are thinking and what their motivations might be. I doubt the remarks of McConnell and others denouncing the act were given much media coverage at all, as it doesn't feed the narrative. Why in sweet hell would any news outlet need to "push" the idea that "republicans feel that these attacks do not represent who they are.." unless, ... was the perp wearing "repubs r us" underoos? It truly astonishes me the degree to which the left can continue to twist reality to fit their 'truth'.