Well, the Trucker Protests Show Us One Thing Anyway

[Beebs52]

T R I G G E R E D

Honk honk! Let me sit outside your window and honk all day. Then I will be triggered when you vote for the other candidate!

Honk honk!

Well, it was mainly the downtown core, so. Are there restaurants and nightlife there?

“Mainly” is such a weasel word.

My good friend in Ottawa could hear it from his house.

And actual people live downtown! Go figure.

Gee, that's when peeps get uppity. Check Seattle, Portland, etc

[flockofseagulls104]

The fact that I never said "[t]hey are brain dead racists" (or anything like that) leaves me more than a little skeptical that you have your facts right about what Prime Minister Trudeau said. I don't think the protestors are brain-dead racists. I think they're selfish pricks.

In any event, what the Canadian protests are doing is the classic definition of bullying. The protestors are in a decided minority in their views so they can't prevail via the democratic process. Knowing this, they're attempting to cause pain in order to bully their opponents into submission. I'm glad it doesn't appear to be working. --Bob

Or protesting being bullied because the bullies have all the power. And, as you can see, the real bullies don't want to even think about giving up one inch of their power. They'll use even power more to prevent that. And once they get it, they will never give it up. That's how it has always worked throughout history, as our founding fathers knew well.

Oh, the irony of you saying this….

The irony you seem to see escapes me. Possibly a difference in perspective.

[earendel]

If the vaccines were safe and effective, why didn’t the shutdowns end and why should the vaccinated fear the unvaccinated?

Surely this is a rhetorical question, suitguy.

[Bob78164]

The Prime Minister's response? Same as yours. They are brain dead racists. Let's confiscate their money and create emergency powers to break them. We don't need to re-examine our policies. Screw them. We are much smarter, tolerant and virtuous than them. We know what's best.
Which is exactly what they are protesting taken to a higher level.

The fact that I never said "[t]hey are brain dead racists" (or anything like that) leaves me more than a little skeptical that you have your facts right about what Prime Minister Trudeau said. I don't think the protestors are brain-dead racists. I think they're selfish pricks.

In any event, what the Canadian protests are doing is the classic definition of bullying. The protestors are in a decided minority in their views so they can't prevail via the democratic process. Knowing this, they're attempting to cause pain in order to bully their opponents into submission. I'm glad it doesn't appear to be working. --Bob

So just to be clear, you assume they're in the minority and you're okay with other minority protests, just not this one. Assuming they're in the minority and all.

I'm not assuming they're in the minority. Polling is very clear that they're in the minority.

And what I'm not okay with is an extended blockade that forcibly prevents people from doing business. If they want to march and make noise while allowing those who choose to do so to go about their business, I'm fine with that, and my guess is that most Canadian people would be too. --Bob

[Beebs52]

The fact that I never said "[t]hey are brain dead racists" (or anything like that) leaves me more than a little skeptical that you have your facts right about what Prime Minister Trudeau said. I don't think the protestors are brain-dead racists. I think they're selfish pricks.

In any event, what the Canadian protests are doing is the classic definition of bullying. The protestors are in a decided minority in their views so they can't prevail via the democratic process. Knowing this, they're attempting to cause pain in order to bully their opponents into submission. I'm glad it doesn't appear to be working. --Bob

So just to be clear, you assume they're in the minority and you're okay with other minority protests, just not this one. Assuming they're in the minority and all.

I'm not assuming they're in the minority. Polling is very clear that they're in the minority.

And what I'm not okay with is an extended blockade that forcibly prevents people from doing business. If they want to march and make noise while allowing those who choose to do so to go about their business, I'm fine with that, and my guess is that most Canadian people would be too. --Bob

Polling by whom.
Again, blockades for what you support are fine. But not for "others"?

[tlynn78]

So just to be clear, you assume they're in the minority and you're okay with other minority protests, just not this one. Assuming they're in the minority and all.

I'm not assuming they're in the minority. Polling is very clear that they're in the minority.

And what I'm not okay with is an extended blockade that forcibly prevents people from doing business. If they want to march and make noise while allowing those who choose to do so to go about their business, I'm fine with that, and my guess is that most Canadian people would be too. --Bob

Polling by whom.
Again, blockades for what you support are fine. But not for "others"?

No doubt the same pollsters who called 2016 for Hilz. Trudeau's approval rating would seem to give lie to the idea that most Canadians don't support the truckers.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

Civility Update: The Freedom Truckers have never left a dead dog on someone's doorstep

[Beebs52]

Civility Update: The Freedom Truckers have never left a dead dog on someone's doorstep

Could go to the mental acuity prob. Why would you present this as a virtue. Wayyyy after the fact
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[Bob78164]

I'm not assuming they're in the minority. Polling is very clear that they're in the minority.

And what I'm not okay with is an extended blockade that forcibly prevents people from doing business. If they want to march and make noise while allowing those who choose to do so to go about their business, I'm fine with that, and my guess is that most Canadian people would be too. --Bob

Polling by whom.
Again, blockades for what you support are fine. But not for "others"?

No doubt the same pollsters who called 2016 for Hilz. Trudeau's approval rating would seem to give lie to the idea that most Canadians don't support the truckers.

I believe you'll find that Trudeau's approval rating is suffering because many Canadians think he tolerated the truckers' antics too long. --Bob

[tlynn78]

Polling by whom.
Again, blockades for what you support are fine. But not for "others"?

No doubt the same pollsters who called 2016 for Hilz. Trudeau's approval rating would seem to give lie to the idea that most Canadians don't support the truckers.

I believe you'll find that Trudeau's approval rating is suffering because many Canadians think he tolerated the truckers' antics too long. --Bob

LOL! Sure Bob, I'll bet that's it.

[Beebs52]

Polling by whom.
Again, blockades for what you support are fine. But not for "others"?

No doubt the same pollsters who called 2016 for Hilz. Trudeau's approval rating would seem to give lie to the idea that most Canadians don't support the truckers.

I believe you'll find that Trudeau's approval rating is suffering because many Canadians think he tolerated the truckers' antics too long. --Bob

I believe That's your assumption.

[Bob78164]

No doubt the same pollsters who called 2016 for Hilz. Trudeau's approval rating would seem to give lie to the idea that most Canadians don't support the truckers.

I believe you'll find that Trudeau's approval rating is suffering because many Canadians think he tolerated the truckers' antics too long. --Bob

I believe That's your assumption.

Again, no. I've seen the polling. --Bob

[Beebs52]

I believe you'll find that Trudeau's approval rating is suffering because many Canadians think he tolerated the truckers' antics too long. --Bob

I believe That's your assumption.

Again, no. I've seen the polling. --Bob

So you believe in the efficacy of all polling?

[Bob78164]

I believe That's your assumption.

Again, no. I've seen the polling. --Bob

So you believe in the efficacy of all polling?

I believe that very few competently run polls are off by 30 points, which is about what it would take.

If you've got some reason to think that the polls are wrong in this instance and by that much, what's your basis for that belief? --Bob

[Beebs52]

Again, no. I've seen the polling. --Bob

So you believe in the efficacy of all polling?

I believe that very few competently run polls are off by 30 points, which is about what it would take.

If you've got some reason to think that the polls are wrong in this instance and by that much, what's your basis for that belief? --Bob

I don't rely on polls. I make up my own mind.

[Bob78164]

So you believe in the efficacy of all polling?

I believe that very few competently run polls are off by 30 points, which is about what it would take.

If you've got some reason to think that the polls are wrong in this instance and by that much, what's your basis for that belief? --Bob

I don't rely on polls. I make up my own mind.

You make up your own mind about what the people of Canada do or don’t want? Personally I think it’s more accurate to rely on data. —Bob

[Beebs52]

I believe that very few competently run polls are off by 30 points, which is about what it would take.

If you've got some reason to think that the polls are wrong in this instance and by that much, what's your basis for that belief? --Bob

I don't rely on polls. I make up my own mind.

You make up your own mind about what the people of Canada do or don’t want? Personally I think it’s more accurate to rely on data. —Bob

From a poll? That's funny who ever yar

[a1mamacat]

No doubt the same pollsters who called 2016 for Hilz. Trudeau's approval rating would seem to give lie to the idea that most Canadians don't support the truckers.

I believe you'll find that Trudeau's approval rating is suffering because many Canadians think he tolerated the truckers' antics too long. --Bob

LOL! Sure Bob, I'll bet that's it.

Yes, that is exactly it. A great many people were calling for this action weeks ago. And his approval rating is not suffering as much as you would think. Most people that I have spoken too, including friends and family living in Ottawa, are relieved and pleased.

[a1mamacat]

I believe that very few competently run polls are off by 30 points, which is about what it would take.

If you've got some reason to think that the polls are wrong in this instance and by that much, what's your basis for that belief? --Bob

I don't rely on polls. I make up my own mind.

You make up your own mind about what the people of Canada do or don’t want? Personally I think it’s more accurate to rely on data. —Bob

Bob, if the only info they are getting is from Fox and Rebel “news”, it is not surprising that they are misinformed about the real situation.

[Beebs52]

I don't rely on polls. I make up my own mind.

You make up your own mind about what the people of Canada do or don’t want? Personally I think it’s more accurate to rely on data. —Bob

Bob, if the only info they are getting is from Fox and Rebel “news”, it is not surprising that they are misinformed about the real situation.

What is rebel news, and who watches Fox all day?

[Bob78164]

I don't rely on polls. I make up my own mind.

You make up your own mind about what the people of Canada do or don’t want? Personally I think it’s more accurate to rely on data. —Bob

Bob, if the only info they are getting is from Fox and Rebel “news”, it is not surprising that they are misinformed about the real situation.

Call me a cockeyed optimist, if you must, but I keep hoping that if I issue enough invitations to join us in the real world of facts and data, someone, sometime, will accept one of those invitations. --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

You make up your own mind about what the people of Canada do or don’t want? Personally I think it’s more accurate to rely on data. —Bob

Bob, if the only info they are getting is from Fox and Rebel “news”, it is not surprising that they are misinformed about the real situation.

Call me a cockeyed optimist, if you must, but I keep hoping that if I issue enough invitations to join us in the real world of facts and data, someone, sometime, will accept one of those invitations. --Bob

Bob, from what I've seen of your interactions on this bored, you know less about the real world of anything than your average Hollywood celebrity. And you are just as smug, elitist, insulated and ignorant as they are.
Just my opinion....

[silverscreenselect]

Bob, from what I've seen of your interactions on this bored, you know less about the real world of anything than your average Hollywood celebrity.

SImple test for you Flock to see how much you know about the real world:

Do you believe that Joe Biden legitimately won the 2020 election?

[silverscreenselect]

How much economic damage have the COVID shutdowns caused?

How much economic damage have 900,000 deaths and many more hospitalizations caused? Not to mention as yet unknown costs of long-term COVID complications.

[silverscreenselect]

Maybe start by googling BLM Protest damage, BLM Antifa damage, stuff like that.

The figures that I've seen indicate that 93 to 95% of the BLM protests were completely peaceful. That's the definition of mostly peaceful. There was a lot of damage, but that was spread over a long period of time (three months or longer depending how people keep count) and in many cities. The trucker protest was in a short time in a relatively small area. The Rodney King riots in Los Angeles resulted in about $1.4 billion in property damage in adjusted for inflation numbers and lasted five days. The 1967 Detroit riot lasted one night and cost $300 million (again adjusted). The 1965 Watts riots lasted a week and cost $350 million.

So you've got an apples to oranges comparison here.