Boy, Weeks of Discussion on a Smirking Kid, but

[Spock]

Boy, we sure Memory Holed the Tacoma ICE facility bomber who echoed AOC in his manifesto.

Just posted to point out that SSS and the Bobs have strangely (Not) left this topic alone.

[tlynn78]

Boy, we sure Memory Holed the Tacoma ICE facility bomber who echoed AOC in his manifesto.

Just posted to point out that SSS and the Bobs have strangely (Not) left this topic alone.

Selective outrage, that's their ticket.

[Bob78164]

Boy, we sure Memory Holed the Tacoma ICE facility bomber who echoed AOC in his manifesto.

Just posted to point out that SSS and the Bobs have strangely (Not) left this topic alone.

That's probably because you're making it up, which explains the lack of a cite or a link to a source for this claim. Here's the National Review's coverage of the story. Not a word about this so-called manifesto. About his motives, the story (with today's dateline) says: "Presumably, he attacked the facility out of anger at ICE’s role in the crisis on the border."

"Presumably." That means no one actually knows. And that's a word that the site wouldn't have used if he'd left some sort of manifesto.

So once again, the right-wing echo chamber is just making shit up in an effort to cast political disagreements from liberal politicians, particularly women of color, as disloyalty to the country. And there is absolutely nothing that could be more disloyal to American values than that effort.

How does it feel to be a "useful idiot"? --Bob

[Bob78164]

Boy, we sure Memory Holed the Tacoma ICE facility bomber who echoed AOC in his manifesto.

Just posted to point out that SSS and the Bobs have strangely (Not) left this topic alone.

Selective outrage, that's their ticket.

You're a Republican elected official. Do you agree with Donny that those four Congresswomen should "go back where they came from"? --Bob

[tlynn78]

Boy, we sure Memory Holed the Tacoma ICE facility bomber who echoed AOC in his manifesto.

Just posted to point out that SSS and the Bobs have strangely (Not) left this topic alone.

Selective outrage, that's their ticket.

You're a Republican elected official. Do you agree with Donny that those four Congresswomen should "go back where they came from"? --Bob

No, but I sincerely hope they go back to where they came (to DC) from at the end of their terms - regardless of my elected position. I realize it doesn't fit into your hysteria, but some of us Republicans are able to support what the President is doing in general, without approving of his every utterance.

[Bob Juch]

Selective outrage, that's their ticket.

You're a Republican elected official. Do you agree with Donny that those four Congresswomen should "go back where they came from"? --Bob

No, but I sincerely hope they go back to where they came (to DC) from at the end of their terms - regardless of my elected position. I realize it doesn't fit into your hysteria, but some of us Republicans are able to support what the President is doing in general, without approving of his every utterance.

What do you specifically support?

[Jeemie]

Selective outrage, that's their ticket.

You're a Republican elected official. Do you agree with Donny that those four Congresswomen should "go back where they came from"? --Bob

No, but I sincerely hope they go back to where they came (to DC) from at the end of their terms - regardless of my elected position. I realize it doesn't fit into your hysteria, but some of us Republicans are able to support what the President is doing in general, without approving of his every utterance.

Words and demeanor matter.

Civility dies slowly...one little erosion that gets overlooked at a time.

[Jeemie]

Boy, we sure Memory Holed the Tacoma ICE facility bomber who echoed AOC in his manifesto.

Just posted to point out that SSS and the Bobs have strangely (Not) left this topic alone.

There is zero evidence any "echoing of AOC" took place.

[silverscreenselect]

Just posted to point out that SSS and the Bobs have strangely (Not) left this topic alone.

Well, I had never heard of this guy until Spock's post. But Jay Inslee, the governor of Washington and one of 400 Democratic presidential candidates said:

“Along with many Americans, I object with every fiber of my being to Donald Trump’s inhumane treatment of immigrants in America. But if today’s attack was motivated by opposition to the federal government’s actions, it was totally unacceptable. Violence is not acceptable.”

Inslee added, “Our democracy is strong and we are a resilient people. But it is, again, unacceptable to turn to violence. Hate crimes are on the rise, as is divisive and incendiary rhetoric. We must be better than that and find non-violent ways of pursuing the better world we want, as many groups are doing.”

This guy doesn't sound like he was a typical liberal; he had grudges against all "rich guys":

Van Spronsen said “rich guys,” including Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk, Tim Cook, Bill Gates, Betsy DeVos, George Soros, Donald Trump, and others, “really dig government” and “fascism serves the needs of the state serves the needs of business and at your expense.”

He was a dangerous nutcase who had a few other nutcases he associated with but didn't seem to identify with any political or ideological group (hint, that's what anarchism means). Here's a detailed article about him (Heavy is a left-center website):

https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/willem-v ... a-durutti/

[BackInTex]

Boy, we sure Memory Holed the Tacoma ICE facility bomber who echoed AOC in his manifesto.

Just posted to point out that SSS and the Bobs have strangely (Not) left this topic alone.

That's probably because you're making it up, which explains the lack of a cite or a link to a source for this claim. Here's the National Review's coverage of the story. Not a word about this so-called manifesto. About his motives, the story (with today's dateline) says: "Presumably, he attacked the facility out of anger at ICE’s role in the crisis on the border."

"Presumably." That means no one actually knows. And that's a word that the site wouldn't have used if he'd left some sort of manifesto.

So once again, the right-wing echo chamber is just making shit up in an effort to cast political disagreements from liberal politicians, particularly women of color, as disloyalty to the country. And there is absolutely nothing that could be more disloyal to American values than that effort.

How does it feel to be a "useful idiot"? --Bob

Here is a WaPo article mentioning the manifesto

There is zero evidence any "echoing of AOC" took place.

These are concentration camps.

link for Jeemie

evil says concentration camps for folks deemed lesser are necessary

link for Jeemie

[Bob Juch]

Boy, we sure Memory Holed the Tacoma ICE facility bomber who echoed AOC in his manifesto.

Just posted to point out that SSS and the Bobs have strangely (Not) left this topic alone.

That's probably because you're making it up, which explains the lack of a cite or a link to a source for this claim. Here's the National Review's coverage of the story. Not a word about this so-called manifesto. About his motives, the story (with today's dateline) says: "Presumably, he attacked the facility out of anger at ICE’s role in the crisis on the border."

"Presumably." That means no one actually knows. And that's a word that the site wouldn't have used if he'd left some sort of manifesto.

So once again, the right-wing echo chamber is just making shit up in an effort to cast political disagreements from liberal politicians, particularly women of color, as disloyalty to the country. And there is absolutely nothing that could be more disloyal to American values than that effort.

How does it feel to be a "useful idiot"? --Bob

Here is a WaPo article mentioning the manifesto

There is zero evidence any "echoing of AOC" took place.

These are concentration camps.

link for Jeemie

evil says concentration camps for folks deemed lesser are necessary

link for Jeemie

You don't have to echo anyone to see they are concentration camps.

[jarnon]

Reminds me of the guy who shot up a Republican Congressional baseball practice, or the Antifa goons who attacked Marines in Philadelphia. (The thugs called the Marines Nazis. When they responded that they were Mexican, the attackers also called them wetbacks.) There are some of these on the right too, like the terrorist whose van was covered with MAGA stickers. These are the lowest of the low who disgrace the causes they believe in.

[BackInTex]

That's probably because you're making it up, which explains the lack of a cite or a link to a source for this claim. Here's the National Review's coverage of the story. Not a word about this so-called manifesto. About his motives, the story (with today's dateline) says: "Presumably, he attacked the facility out of anger at ICE’s role in the crisis on the border."

"Presumably." That means no one actually knows. And that's a word that the site wouldn't have used if he'd left some sort of manifesto.

So once again, the right-wing echo chamber is just making shit up in an effort to cast political disagreements from liberal politicians, particularly women of color, as disloyalty to the country. And there is absolutely nothing that could be more disloyal to American values than that effort.

How does it feel to be a "useful idiot"? --Bob

Here is a WaPo article mentioning the manifesto

There is zero evidence any "echoing of AOC" took place.

These are concentration camps.

link for Jeemie

evil says concentration camps for folks deemed lesser are necessary

link for Jeemie

You don't have to echo anyone to see they are concentration camps.

They are not, but thanks for playing.

[Bob78164]

Here is a WaPo article mentioning the manifesto





link for Jeemie


link for Jeemie

You don't have to echo anyone to see they are concentration camps.

They are not, but thanks for playing.

I'll believe George Takei, who actually lived in one when he was young. And the historians who affirm that what Donny is doing (and I understand the camps are run by for-profit corporations) comfortably satisfies the historical definition of "concentration camps."

But that's semantics. Ignore what Donny says, and watch what he does. In this case, what he's doing is putting thousands of human beings in grossly inhumane conditions. We're the United States of America. We don't do that. And anyone who agrees with Donny that this treatment is appropriate -- as far as I'm concerned, that's the unAmerican position. --Bob

[jarnon]

You don't have to echo anyone to see they are concentration camps.

They are not, but thanks for playing.

I'll believe George Takei, who actually lived in one when he was young. And the historians who affirm that what Donny is doing (and I understand the camps are run by for-profit corporations) comfortably satisfies the historical definition of "concentration camps."

But that's semantics. Ignore what Donny says, and watch what he does. In this case, what he's doing is putting thousands of human beings in grossly inhumane conditions. We're the United States of America. We don't do that. And anyone who agrees with Donny that this treatment is appropriate -- as far as I'm concerned, that's the unAmerican position. --Bob

This is a difficult personal subject for me. The camp where my mother was imprisoned at first was Malines in Belgium; the conditions, if I remember her description, weren't as bad as at the CBP camps. But most sources refer to Malines as a "transit camp" or sometimes "detention camp." They save "concentration camp" for the worst ones. So not even all the Nazi camps get to be called concentration camps. I'm going to stay out of the debate on wording and just criticize the inhumanity.

[silverscreenselect]

The camp where my mother was imprisoned at first was Malines in Belgium; the conditions, if I remember her description, weren't as bad as at the CBP camps. But most sources refer to Malines as a "transit camp" or sometimes "detention camp." They save "concentration camp" for the worst ones. So not even all the Nazi camps get to be called concentration camps. I'm going to stay out of the debate on wording and just criticize the inhumanity.

I hadn't heard of the term "transit camp" before this, but I looked it up, and according to this site from the London Jewish Cultural Center, there were four types of camps: transit camps, work camps, concentration camps, and extermination camps. Prisoners were sent to the transit camps before being sent to one of the others. The discussion of concentration camp:

A concentration camp is a place where people are detained or confined without trial. Prisoners were kept in extremely harsh conditions and without any rights. In Nazi Germany after 1933, and across Nazi controlled Europe between 1938 and 1945, concentration camps became a major way in which the Nazis imposed their control. The first concentration camps in Germany were set up as detention centres to stop any opposition to the Nazis by so called ‘enemies of the state’. These people included communists, socialists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, Roma, and so called ‘asocials’. However, after March 1938, when the Germans annexed Austria into German territory, many thousands of German Jews were arrested and detained in Dachau, Buchenwald and Sachsenhausen concentration camps.

https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/t ... ion-camps/

This definition is similar to most of the generally accepted definitions of concentration camps.

Jarnon, I hope I didn't offend you with this post; it was certainly not my intention. Your mother must have suffered enormously, and I respect, admire, and sympathize with her for what she endured.

[BackInTex]

You don't have to echo anyone to see they are concentration camps.

They are not, but thanks for playing.

I'll believe George Takei, who actually lived in one when he was young. And the historians who affirm that what Donny is doing (and I understand the camps are run by for-profit corporations) comfortably satisfies the historical definition of "concentration camps."

But that's semantics. Ignore what Donny says, and watch what he does. In this case, what he's doing is putting thousands of human beings in grossly inhumane conditions. We're the United States of America. We don't do that. And anyone who agrees with Donny that this treatment is appropriate -- as far as I'm concerned, that's the unAmerican position. --Bob

What's being done is being done just like it was being done under the last administration.

[silverscreenselect]

What's being done is being done just like it was being done under the last administration.

Funny how, according to you, Trump gets all the credit for the economy but...

[BackInTex]

What's being done is being done just like it was being done under the last administration.

Funny how, according to you, Trump gets all the credit for the economy but...

That's a different conversation from what I was referring to. But of course, you change the context because you can handle the truth.

[silverscreenselect]

But of course, you change the context because you can handle the truth.

Thank you for recognizing that I can and do handle the truth. The truth is that Trump took a bad situation and made it much worse.

Many of the current immigration enforcement actions that are receiving criticism under Trump were in place during the Obama administration. Trump’s policy changes and focus on deporting as many people as possible, however, has created all-out chaos in a system that was already pushed to the brink. The Marshall Project found that every president for the past 25 years has overseen growth in immigration detention, with the average daily population hovering between 30,000 and 40,000 during Obama’s presidency. In fiscal year 2018, under Trump, the average daily population was 45,890, and it has continued to rise this year.

It is hard to say whether the terrible conditions in CBP facilities currently are “worse” than they were under Obama, but what seems to be clear is that a focus on detaining people—including children—is forcing more people to spend longer amounts of time inside CBP facilities, which would likely cause a deterioration of the already-appalling conditions.

To effectuate the ramped-up prosecutions for illegal entry and reentry, adult migrants were taken into criminal custody to face charges. When parents were taken into criminal custody, they were separated from their children, who were then turned over to the office of Health and Human Services and treated as unaccompanied minors. Under Bush and Obama, parents and children were not routinely separated to pursue criminal prosecutions for illegal entry and reentry. Trump did rescind the zero tolerance policy after mass outcry, and a district court subsequently said family separation was a violation of the Constitution and ordered separated families reunited. But the administration has struggled to comply with court orders to reunite separated families, as the number of children separated was discovered to be thousands more than the administration had initially claimed in court. The government is still in the process of counting all the children who were separated over roughly the first two years of the Trump administration.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... obama.html

[Jeemie]

Oh my God he said "concetration camps"...of COURSE he was "echoing AOC".

[tlynn78]

Oh my God he said "concetration camps"...of COURSE he was "echoing AOC".

Right? 'Cause that's how we've all referred to the detention centers all along, long before the media began breathlessly propagating her every pearl of 'wisdom.'

[silverscreenselect]

Oh my God he said "concetration camps"...of COURSE he was "echoing AOC".

Right? 'Cause that's how we've all referred to the detention centers all along, long before the media began breathlessly propagating her every pearl of 'wisdom.'

You mean she called public attention to something unpleasant that most people, especially Republicans, preferred to overlook.

This is akin to the claims that blacks in the south were happy with "separate but equal" before northern agitators came down to stir up trouble.

[BackInTex]

Oh my God he said "concetration camps"...of COURSE he was "echoing AOC".

Right? 'Cause that's how we've all referred to the detention centers all along, long before the media began breathlessly propagating her every pearl of 'wisdom.'

You mean she called public attention to something unpleasant that most people, especially Republicans, preferred to overlook.

This is akin to the claims that blacks in the south were happy with "separate but equal" before northern agitators came down to stir up trouble.

This is not about what she called anything. It is about the terrorist "channeling" her by taking her lead on referring to the detention centers put in place under Obama as concentration camps.

[Estonut]

This is akin to the claims that blacks in the south were happy with "separate but equal" before northern agitators came down to stir up trouble.

Thank God you're here. We'd never understand the southern black mindset and experience were it not for you!