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Two suspects are in custody after several students at the Highlands Ranch STEM school were shot. The school was still in active shooter lockdown.
Highlands Ranch is a southern suburb of Denver.
Highlands Ranch is a southern suburb of Denver.
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Re: Colorado school shooting
Yikes. My niece used to live there.Bob Juch wrote:Two suspects are in custody after several students at the Highlands Ranch STEM school were shot. The school was still in active shooter lockdown.
Highlands Ranch is a southern suburb of Denver.
Well, then
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So did my daughters and granddaughters.Beebs52 wrote:Yikes. My niece used to live there.Bob Juch wrote:Two suspects are in custody after several students at the Highlands Ranch STEM school were shot. The school was still in active shooter lockdown.
Highlands Ranch is a southern suburb of Denver.
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I'm getting social media posts saying one 18 year old student has died with seven wounded, some critically. One of the shooters was an "adult student", the other a juvenile.
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Re: Colorado school shooting
Student Nui Giasolli said classmate Kendrick Castillo lunged at the gunman, giving others "time to get underneath our desks, to get ourselves safe." Kendrick was shot and killed.
Kendrick Castillo, Brendan Bialy, and North Carolina's Riley Howell are amazing heroes. I’ve been taking a Krav Maga class and we just learned firearm defense, but I don’t know how I’d act in an emergency.
Kendrick Castillo, Brendan Bialy, and North Carolina's Riley Howell are amazing heroes. I’ve been taking a Krav Maga class and we just learned firearm defense, but I don’t know how I’d act in an emergency.
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Re: Colorado school shooting
I don't think anyone does until it happens. We'd all like to think we'd be "brave" enough, but until the situation presents itself and the adrenaline rushes through the veins what actions we take are unknown.jarnon wrote: but I don’t know how I’d act in an emergency.
I put "brave" in quotes because I think its definition is complex. Sometimes it is used as a synonym for "fearless", but in such a situation as yesterday it is more about "selflessness" in the face of danger. One can be brave in such a situation and be scared to death. Some amount of fear is healthy in such a situation to minimize foolhardiness.
R.I.P Kendrick Castillo (Hero, Brave, Selfless)
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Boy this shooting sure vanished quickly from media coverage. Why? Doesn't fit one agenda and hurts the other.
Two students arrested in Colorado school shooting make first appearance
The shooters weren't white nationalists or Trump supporters. Quite the opposite. One is transgender (biological female).
Two students arrested in Colorado school shooting make first appearance
The shooters weren't white nationalists or Trump supporters. Quite the opposite. One is transgender (biological female).
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Some reports indicate one of the suspects was a bully, which doesn't fit current narratives. Net net is they were both crazy and/or evil, or both. Just like all the other crazies.
Well, then
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Let's not overlook this either
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ta ... -political
Not getting the coverage they gave David Hogg and that group of school shooting survivors. I wonder why?
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Not getting the coverage they gave David Hogg and that group of school shooting survivors. I wonder why?
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I counted articles in the Washington Post, Denver Post, USA Today, Time, Rolling Stone, ABC News, and Slate, and that's just on the first two pages of my google search for "Colorado school shooting protest."flockofseagulls104 wrote: Not getting the coverage they gave David Hogg and that group of school shooting survivors. I wonder why?
So, again one of your liberal bias press narratives goes up in flames.
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Actually, I think it's because the students wanted to have it be about the heros/victims rather than grandstanders. Not as exciting presswise.silverscreenselect wrote:I counted articles in the Washington Post, Denver Post, USA Today, Time, Rolling Stone, ABC News, and Slate, and that's just on the first two pages of my google search for "Colorado school shooting protest."flockofseagulls104 wrote: Not getting the coverage they gave David Hogg and that group of school shooting survivors. I wonder why?
So, again one of your liberal bias press narratives goes up in flames.
Well, then
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"Grandstanders"?Beebs52 wrote:Actually, I think it's because the students wanted to have it be about the heros/victims rather than grandstanders.
Shame on you. Those kids paid an awful price. They lived an experience no one would or should wish on them. They've earned the right to say pretty much anything they want on the subject of gun control. And not by any choice they ever made.
Even if you don't agree with the views of the Parkland survivors, I think you should show them the respect anyone who had to live through that horror has earned. And I'm glad they're doing everything they can to reduce the number of kids who will have to share that awful experience in the future. --Bob
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Actually, the best way to reduce school shootings was on display in the last 2 shootings-at Skoop's school and now in Colorado. Rush the shooter!!!Bob78164 wrote:"Grandstanders"?Beebs52 wrote:Actually, I think it's because the students wanted to have it be about the heros/victims rather than grandstanders.
Shame on you. Those kids paid an awful price. They lived an experience no one would or should wish on them. They've earned the right to say pretty much anything they want on the subject of gun control. And not by any choice they ever made.
Even if you don't agree with the views of the Parkland survivors, I think you should show them the respect anyone who had to live through that horror has earned. And I'm glad they're doing everything they can to reduce the number of kids who will have to share that awful experience in the future. --Bob
If that becomes part of the culture and only 1 or 2 or whatever go down, but the the damage is limited as others pile on, that will change the calculus of the whole thing in mass shooters' minds.
We saw what heroism and honor can do in those 2 shootings.
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I apologize. I didn't know the political candidates and groups in attendance had gone through the shooting.Bob78164 wrote:"Grandstanders"?Beebs52 wrote:Actually, I think it's because the students wanted to have it be about the heros/victims rather than grandstanders.
Shame on you. Those kids paid an awful price. They lived an experience no one would or should wish on them. They've earned the right to say pretty much anything they want on the subject of gun control. And not by any choice they ever made.
Even if you don't agree with the views of the Parkland survivors, I think you should show them the respect anyone who had to live through that horror has earned. And I'm glad they're doing everything they can to reduce the number of kids who will have to share that awful experience in the future. --Bob
Well, then
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Would you want one of your kids the be one of the ones to "go down"?Spock wrote:Actually, the best way to reduce school shootings was on display in the last 2 shootings-at Skoop's school and now in Colorado. Rush the shooter!!!Bob78164 wrote:"Grandstanders"?Beebs52 wrote:Actually, I think it's because the students wanted to have it be about the heros/victims rather than grandstanders.
Shame on you. Those kids paid an awful price. They lived an experience no one would or should wish on them. They've earned the right to say pretty much anything they want on the subject of gun control. And not by any choice they ever made.
Even if you don't agree with the views of the Parkland survivors, I think you should show them the respect anyone who had to live through that horror has earned. And I'm glad they're doing everything they can to reduce the number of kids who will have to share that awful experience in the future. --Bob
If that becomes part of the culture and only 1 or 2 or whatever go down, but the the damage is limited as others pile on, that will change the calculus of the whole thing in mass shooters' minds.
We saw what heroism and honor can do in those 2 shootings.
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Spoken by someone whose combat experience consists of chasing after the elusive kudu.Spock wrote: Actually, the best way to reduce school shootings was on display in the last 2 shootings-at Skoop's school and now in Colorado. Rush the shooter!!!
If that becomes part of the culture and only 1 or 2 or whatever go down, but the the damage is limited as others pile on, that will change the calculus of the whole thing in mass shooters' minds.
We saw what heroism and honor can do in those 2 shootings.
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Do you dispute that it is better that one goes down rather than 20? Especially, if the one is likely to go down anyway.silverscreenselect wrote:Spoken by someone whose combat experience consists of chasing after the elusive kudu.Spock wrote: Actually, the best way to reduce school shootings was on display in the last 2 shootings-at Skoop's school and now in Colorado. Rush the shooter!!!
If that becomes part of the culture and only 1 or 2 or whatever go down, but the the damage is limited as others pile on, that will change the calculus of the whole thing in mass shooters' minds.
We saw what heroism and honor can do in those 2 shootings.
Remember, these shooters also have no combat experience (they are not supermen) and the distances (such as in a classroom) are very close. They would get very rattled if 6 guys rose up and charged them as seemed to be the case in the 2 recent shootings..
My tactical opinion that these shooters should be rushed is just as valid as yours that these kids should just hide and hope for the best. How much combat experience is that based on?
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You were referring to local politicians attending a rally rather than joining the pile-on against the activism of the Parkland students? Then I was out of line and I apologize. --BobBeebs52 wrote:I apologize. I didn't know the political candidates and groups in attendance had gone through the shooting.Bob78164 wrote:"Grandstanders"?Beebs52 wrote:Actually, I think it's because the students wanted to have it be about the heros/victims rather than grandstanders.
Shame on you. Those kids paid an awful price. They lived an experience no one would or should wish on them. They've earned the right to say pretty much anything they want on the subject of gun control. And not by any choice they ever made.
Even if you don't agree with the views of the Parkland survivors, I think you should show them the respect anyone who had to live through that horror has earned. And I'm glad they're doing everything they can to reduce the number of kids who will have to share that awful experience in the future. --Bob
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The actual Parkland students, for the most part, have been considerate to other young victims of violence, from a Houston school to Chicago streets, and haven't tried to impose their political views on them. I expect the same attitude from them towards the Colorado and UNCC survivors. Adult activists should learn from them.Bob78164 wrote:You were referring to local politicians attending a rally rather than joining the pile-on against the activism of the Parkland students? Then I was out of line and I apologize. --BobBeebs52 wrote:I apologize. I didn't know the political candidates and groups in attendance had gone through the shooting.Bob78164 wrote:"Grandstanders"?
Shame on you. Those kids paid an awful price. They lived an experience no one would or should wish on them. They've earned the right to say pretty much anything they want on the subject of gun control. And not by any choice they ever made.
Even if you don't agree with the views of the Parkland survivors, I think you should show them the respect anyone who had to live through that horror has earned. And I'm glad they're doing everything they can to reduce the number of kids who will have to share that awful experience in the future. --Bob
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Thank you. That is what I meant.jarnon wrote:The actual Parkland students, for the most part, have been considerate to other young victims of violence, from a Houston school to Chicago streets, and haven't tried to impose their political views on them. I expect the same attitude from them towards the Colorado and UNCC survivors. Adult activists should learn from them.Bob78164 wrote:You were referring to local politicians attending a rally rather than joining the pile-on against the activism of the Parkland students? Then I was out of line and I apologize. --BobBeebs52 wrote:
I apologize. I didn't know the political candidates and groups in attendance had gone through the shooting.
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Well, not surprisingly there are a fair amount of experts who disagree with General Spock.Spock wrote: My tactical opinion that these shooters should be rushed is just as valid as yours that these kids should just hide and hope for the best.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/st ... e-n1003951
The point is that there are a large number of possible situations and that trying to persuade students that their best option is always to rush the shooter can just as often lead to a worse situation than a better one. A lot depends on the mindset of the shooters, how well armed they are, how much firearms training and preparation they've had, and other factors. That's not to mention the possiblity of a student mistakenly charging a would-be rescuer like a security guard or off-duty cop.
Rushing the shooter could lead to a relatively quick and bloodless end to a crisis, but it could also transform what could have been a survivable situation into a bloodbath.
One thing I would point out is that these situations almost always end up with the shooters dead or captured. That hasn't changed the calculus of their thinking so far.
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There is NO doubt that every one of the media outlets you mentioned IS biased towards the left. You don't see it because you don't want to.silverscreenselect wrote:I counted articles in the Washington Post, Denver Post, USA Today, Time, Rolling Stone, ABC News, and Slate, and that's just on the first two pages of my google search for "Colorado school shooting protest."flockofseagulls104 wrote: Not getting the coverage they gave David Hogg and that group of school shooting survivors. I wonder why?
So, again one of your liberal bias press narratives goes up in flames.
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Whether there is liberal bias is beside the point. You claimed they didn't give coverage to this story because of their liberal bias. It took about five seconds of effort on my part to prove you wrong, as usual, and as usual when you are proved wrong, you just launch into another irrelevant attack on me. You forgot to use the words "polly" and "batphone" this time, I guess because you were in too much of a hurry to come up with your usual non-witty witticisms.flockofseagulls104 wrote: There is NO doubt that every one of the media outlets you mentioned IS biased towards the left. You don't see it because you don't want to.
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Yes, there may be A printed article in each of those publications you mention. But what we didn't get were the hours of televised coverage, recoverage, analysis, and finger pointing at legal gun owners who never shot anyone.silverscreenselect wrote:Whether there is liberal bias is beside the point. You claimed they didn't give coverage to this story because of their liberal bias. It took about five seconds of effort on my part to prove you wrong, as usual, and as usual when you are proved wrong, you just launch into another irrelevant attack on me. You forgot to use the words "polly" and "batphone" this time, I guess because you were in too much of a hurry to come up with your usual non-witty witticisms.flockofseagulls104 wrote: There is NO doubt that every one of the media outlets you mentioned IS biased towards the left. You don't see it because you don't want to.
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