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[ghostjmf]

I heard an interview with a woman whose name I can't recall who said she always books adjacent seats to "spill over" into because otherwise seat neighbors complain.

And the airlines give her a hard time, not believing her reason.

[Bob Juch]

I heard an interview with a woman whose name I can't recall who said she always books adjacent seats to "spill over" into because otherwise seat neighbors complain.

And the airlines give her a hard time, not believing her reason.

The "Precious" star, Gabourey Sidibe.

[ghostjmf]

BJ:

I mentioned in a previous post in this thread Sibide as someone blacklisted by the entertainment industry because she required 2 seats. They labelled her "difficult".

This 2nd case is woman whose name I can't recall. She travels for her own business & books her own flights.

[Bob Juch]

BJ:

I mentioned in a previous post in this thread Sibide as someone blacklisted by the entertainment industry because she required 2 seats. They labelled her "difficult".

This 2nd case is woman whose name I can't recall. She travels for her own business & books her own flights.

Oh, I saw just the second page. Nevermind!

[Estonut]

And yes, the women with whom Clinton admittedly had sexual relations who told people at the time they were in a consensual affair with him but now say it was rape come to mind.

I wonder why these come to mind. I can find no trace of any such woman. I think you're conflating what the women have consistently said with the lies and denials coming from both Clintons.

Please either identify even one woman whose story ever changed from consensual sex to accustions of rape or quit perpetuating your misremembering of the facts.

[ghostjmf]

Estonut:

The 3 whom in reference to BiT accused me of "thinking rape by Clinton was OK".

Please go read back at the top of Roy Moore thread. Can't do quotes on this tablet.

Also, I'm tired of your taking that you can't find something meaning that the thing doesn't exist. Like that article about Van Morrison's days in the Boston area I had to direct you to.

[Pastor Fireball]

Add another congresscritter to the list: Mr. Ducky Pajamas himself.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congres ... 00-n825696

[Estonut]

Estonut:

The 3 whom in reference to BiT accused me of "thinking rape by Clinton was OK".

Please go read back at the top of Roy Moore thread.

I did go back and read it before I posted. You are talking about Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones, then? There is no actual record of any one of them stating that their encounters with Clinton were consensual. To try to discredit them, the Clintons came up with witnesses who claimed that Willey and Jones had told them so, but there is no way to confirm that, so, according to Hillary, one must believe the accusers, correct? Further, Jones accused Clinton of exposing himself to her. If that had been done with her consent, you think he asked her, "Hey honey, we've never met before, but do you mind if I whip out my dick?" Then she replied, "yes, please?"

Can't do quotes on this tablet.

I don't recall you doing quotes correctly on any device.

Also, I'm tired of your taking that you can't find something meaning that the thing doesn't exist. Like that article about Van Morrison's days in the Boston area I had to direct you to.

Tired of me doing something once? Something you are actually misremembering again? The exchange where I couldn't find something and took that to mean it doesn't exist actually went exactly as follows:

Reputedly, sadly, like so many other great musicians, he is not so great in real life; the woman he wrote "Brown Eyed Girl" for can't these days stand to hear it when it comes on the radio, in supermarkets, etc.

I can find no support for this on the web. Do you know where you might have heard it?

I never asserted that it doesn't exist. That is all in your faulty, biased memory.

[ghostjmf]

Estonut:

Re Morrison article: You said "I can find no support for it on the web", but I found it on the web without even having to use the names of the magazines I thought I had read it in (which might be considered "insider information"). Your web-hunting skills are selectively lacking. Whenever you don't *want* to find something (though why you wouldn't want to find Morrison info I don't know, other than that it would corroborate what you heard from me) you say "I can find no support".

There are court documents in which some in the Broaddrick, Wiley & Jones group have stated under oath that they weren't hurt by Clinton. Docs precede more recent claims of assault. I'll hunt them up again when I get to a computer on which I can copy & paste.

[Estonut]

Estonut: Re Morrison article: You said "I can find no support for it on the web", but I found it on the web without even having to use the names of the magazines I thought I had read it in (which might be considered "insider information"). Your web-hunting skills are selectively lacking. Whenever you don't *want* to find something, you say "I can find no support".

There are court documents in which some in the Broaddrick, Wiley & Jones group have stated under oath that they weren't hurt by Clinton. Docs precede more recent claims of assault. I'll hunt them up again when I get to a computer on which I can copy & paste.

"weren't hurt by Clinton" <> "they were in a consensual affair with him"

Which is it that you are now arguing?

[Estonut]

Estonut:

Re Morrison article: You said "I can find no support for it on the web", but I found it on the web without even having to use the names of the magazines I thought I had read it in (which might be considered "insider information"). Your web-hunting skills are selectively lacking. Whenever you don't *want* to find something (though why you wouldn't want to find Morrison info I don't know, other than that it would corroborate what you heard from me) you say "I can find no support".

You found it by searching "Van Morrison in Cambridge MA". You never mentioned that prior to my search. All I had to go on was various iterations of "Van Morrison," inspiration and "brown eyed girl". Those keywords still bring up articles that say they inspiration is unknown and they certainly don't mention Janet Rigsbee Morrison Minto by name. In this case, it was your communication skills that were lacking.

[ghostjmf]

Estonut:

I don't have the capability on tablet to find out exactly what search terms I used.
I remember I didn't even have to use magazine names.

Since I have made it public that I live in the Boston area, & I remember I said I read the article in a *local* magazine, seems you should have known to add "Boston area" & probably "magazine" to your search. Why didn't you?

(Morrison's days here have long been part of the local music-world lore.)

I'm impressed if is actually true that Google falls down here. I'm here assuming you use Google to search. Maybe not.

What's the weirdest thing about all this is what you would think I would have to *gain* by making Ms. Minto up if I had done so.

(There are various places where Morrison refers to her as Janet Planet but I haven't looked them up. But this article is not the 1st place to make mention of her. She may be the woman on the cover of "Tupelo Honey" but I haven't looked this up; could be a record-company model. Also I don't think the article I *did* look up said, but I will, that J R M M can't *literally* be the Brown-Eyed Girl because the story of the song takes place in Belfast Northern Ireland, presumably, because that's where Morrison grew up, & he's pretty clear in the song that the song is a remembrance, & J R M M is American. I don't know what color her eyes are.)

[Estonut]

What's the weirdest thing about all this is what you would think I would have to *gain* by making Ms. Minto up if I had done so.

No, the weirdest thing about this is how you keep misremembering posts here, when they are easily verifiable.

For the third time, what I said was:

I can find no support for this on the web. Do you know where you might have heard it?

Nowhere did I claim, or even hint, that I thought you were making up Ms. Minto. I am a long-time fan of Van Morrison and had never heard the inspiration for the song being identified by him. For an artist of his caliber, there are SO many old reviews and articles from magazines and newspapers available on the web, that I thought this would be there, too. I was surprised that I wasn't able to find it with a few minutes of searching. When I can't find something quickly by Googling, I usually will ask the person who posted where they saw/heard that. Most do not take that as an accusation of fabrication.

[ghostjmf]

Estonut:

"a few minutes of searching" & then you say "I can find no support for this on the web".

Uh huh.

Why not say "I couldn't find it in a few minutes of searching. I disdained to use in my search anything you told me about where you read it, such as "Boston" or "Cambridge". You search for me instead.".

[Estonut]

Estonut:

"a few minutes of searching" & then you say "I can find no support for this on the web".

Uh huh.

Why not say "I couldn't find it in a few minutes of searching. I disdained to use in my search anything you told me about where you read it, such as "Boston" or "Cambridge". You search for me instead.".

I love this song. Like so many other Van songs. Reputedly, sadly, like so many other great musicians, he is not so great in real life; the woman he wrote "Brown Eyed Girl" for can't these days stand to hear it when it comes on the radio, in supermarkets, etc.

I've always had a secret conceit that, mystical as Van always is, the local Mystic River (which is *not* very mystical, & is probably named after the Native American word/tribe "Missituck" that Mystic CT is named after) might have had some part in the song, as Van was living in Cambridge, MA around the time he wrote it.

You said nothing about where you read or heard it. I was asking for a further clue, hence, "Do you know where you might have heard it?"

I didn't see the need to spend more than a few minutes Googling for such an important revelation about such an important artist, especially since the revealer was available right here. Sorry to bother you. Really, I am.

[ghostjmf]

Also, just for the record, Janet R M M in the Boston Magazine article never *says* she's the Brown Eyed Girl, she says what I reported in my original comment about the article (which had me assuming in memory of what I'd read she was the inspiration for the song) that she has to leave the grocery store whenever it comes over the sound system, which is often.

She says she *was* Morrison's muse & poetry editor in those days in Cambridge when he was writing Astral Weeks, as well as after, & says it's a tough job. Especially when the way the relationship ends has you leaving the room when Brown Eyed Girl comes on. Supermarkets are unlikely to be playing Gloria or Here Comes the Night or Moondance (though I don't know why not with Moondance) or she might have been talking about leaving when *they* came on.

Still, he met her in the 60s in Cal & they started living together a couple years later. She *could* be the Brown Eyed Girl.

[ghostjmf]

Oh yeah: Various web sources say it *is* Janet R M M on the cover of "Tupelo Honey".

In various interviews, Morrison says he's annoyed people think he had a ranch because of that picture; the photo was staged at a stable.

Of course, in many interviews Morrison's annoyed about *something*.

There are also so many articles calling Janet R M M "Brown Eyed Girl" that it's hard to see how anyone Googling could miss them. Though it does help to have J R M M's name, some you could get just by Googling Van Morrison & Brown Eyed Girl & "muse", "inspiration" or synonym.

[silverscreenselect]

Looks like we can add Geoffrey Rush to the list now:

http://variety.com/2017/film/asia/geoff ... 202628803/

And James Levine, conductor of the Metropolitan Opera:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/arts ... opera.html

[silverscreenselect]

And another one joins the list, Danny Masterson:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/05/entertain ... index.html

For what it's worth, Mrs. SSS and I watched the first 20 episodes of The Ranch, and it's often a hilarious show. Masterson and Ashton Kucher play the sons of Sam Elliott, who's trying to hold onto his Colorado ranch (Debra Winger plays Elliott's ex-wife). Except now, Masterson won't be around next season.

[Pastor Fireball]

Hall of Fame quarterback Warren Moon:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2169 ... -assistant

[silverscreenselect]

At least one predator got his just desserts from the legal system. Larry Nassar, former doctor for the US women's gymnastic team, who has been accused of assaulting several members of the team including Gabby Douglas and Aly Raisman, is sentenced to 60 years of federal child pornography charges (which he admitted to). Other sentencing is still pending on state charges.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/loc ... 908838001/

[jarnon]

Rep. Franks resigns after staff members complain of harassment

[ghostjmf]

Re Franks wanting his staff to be pregnancy surrogates:

This is physical threat. Your boss wants you to be an incubator; do you want to keep your job? Maybe they need a kidney or an arm transplant next.

[jarnon]

One more:

Rep. Blake Farenthold faces ethics probe after sexual harassment allegations

Give him a break ... if he didn't harass his staff, he wouldn't get any action at all.

[flockofseagulls104]

Re Franks wanting his staff to be pregnancy surrogates:

This is physical threat. Your boss wants you to be an incubator; do you want to keep your job? Maybe they need a kidney or an arm transplant next.

I'm not sure where you got that one from. I haven't heard anything about him threatening anyone or demanding it. Just discussing it.

In his statement, Franks acknowledged he made staffers "uncomfortable" and that he discussed fertility issues and surrogacy with two female staffers, but denied having ever "physically intimidated, coerced, or had, or attempted to have, any sexual contact with any member of my congressional staff."

Apparently, he and his wife had twins using a surrogate before, because they couldn't get pregnant on their own. I don't know the whole story. (And I remind you, dear reader, neither do you.) Is making someone 'uncomfortable' now considered a federal offense? If he just asked them to be surrogates, they could have just said no. But, again, I don't know the whole story. But CNN thinks talking about it or asking someone is just awful.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/07/politics/ ... index.html

Sorry, I just don't agree with that.

Are we getting a little too touchy here?