DVR advice

[macrae1234]

True. I get 80 hours on my Time Warner DVR for $9.95 a month. DVD recorder/VCR unit is hooked up to DVR, which is hooked up to TV.

Works just fine. Come on by and I'll show you.

I'll make the popcorn.

If you have HD both in your TV and DVR this connection degrades your TV's single back to analog at worst and an upconverted signal at best.

[Jeemie]

Jeemie says:

What part of outputting a TIVO/DVR to a DVD recorder's input is "not easy" for you?

The part where I do not want to have to be making digital copies in real time. I want to be making them in "digital file copy" time. As I said. Repeatedly.

Dimmzy says she does do it in real time, but its during her watch of the program. BobJuch does it in "digital file copy" time, via routing the material through his PC. I don't have a computer at home to route the signal through. capice?

What's the beef with doing it in real time?

[ghostjmf]

Jeemie says:

Additionally, it is perfectly legal to make a copy of "copy-protected stuff" for your own personal use. I do it all the time- plenty of de-scramblers available- LEGALLY- for this purpose.

Its supposed to be legal to make one copy. And only one. I've read a lot of reports recently on machinery that coughs at letting you make the "just one" copy. Perhaps those machines didn't build in the "LEGAL" descrambler? If the TiVo & DTVPal DVR manufacturers weren't afraid, they'd build DVD burners into their equipment, because bazodee & I are not the only people on record as wanting one built in. I guess the Philips co is not afraid.

Panasonic was not afraid back when they made my sister's machine, but these days, apparently they are.

[ghostjmf]

Jeemie says:

What's the beef with doing it in real time?

Seriously: real time: 1 hour to copy a program that lasts 1 hour.

File transfer time: not as instantaneous as one would like, but a lot faster than 1 hour.
Say 4 minutes to set everthing up & burn the disc.

[Jeemie]

Jeemie says:

What's the beef with doing it in real time?

Seriously: real time: 1 hour to copy a program that lasts 1 hour.

File transfer time: not as instantaneous as one would like, but a lot faster than 1 hour.
Say 4 minutes to set everthing up & burn the disc.

But you were insinuating that it was "ridiculously hard" to make copies, and TPTB wanted it that way so as to discourage burning of DVDs.

When it's not "ridiculously hard" in the slightest- you simply burn it to the DVD as you're watching it.

That YOU are inconvenienced is not a sign of some nefarious plot to make burning DVDs from TIVO "ridiculously hard".

[Jeemie]

Jeemie says:

Additionally, it is perfectly legal to make a copy of "copy-protected stuff" for your own personal use. I do it all the time- plenty of de-scramblers available- LEGALLY- for this purpose.

Its supposed to be legal to make one copy. And only one. I've read a lot of reports recently on machinery that coughs at letting you make the "just one" copy. Perhaps those machines didn't build in the "LEGAL" descrambler? If the TiVo & DTVPal DVR manufacturers weren't afraid, they'd build DVD burners into their equipment, because bazodee & I are not the only people on record as wanting one built in. I guess the Philips co is not afraid.

Panasonic was not afraid back when they made my sister's machine, but these days, apparently they are.

a) The descramblers aren't built in. You have to buy them.

b) Your argument is specious, as you know nothing of market conditions for such devices.

[ghostjmf]

Jeemie says:

But you were insinuating that it was "ridiculously hard" to make copies, and TPTB wanted it that way so as to discourage burning of DVDs.

When it's not "ridiculously hard" in the slightest- you simply burn it to the DVD as you're watching it.

That YOU are inconvenienced is not a sign of some nefarious plot to make burning DVDs from TIVO "ridiculously hard".

I wasn't insinuating, I was right-out-there saying. And it is hard, in that it takes extra machinery & software to do it quickly after you've watched it, the way most people would prefer. Many people do not know what they want to archive 'til they've seen it. Others, as well as some of the many, want to edit out commercial breaks by a more convenient method than turning everything off during commercials, & quick-like-a-bunny turning everything back on before the program starts again. Or by editing the DVD after its been made but before its been finalized.

The people selling DTVPal DVRs (the kind I would buy anyway if I were to buy one, as they can record 2 programs at once, like the latest TiVo, & convert to analog if you want but also have a digital output for whenever my analog TV dies & I go digital) are hyping the ability to buy a 2nd hard drive & plug it in to increase your stored-library's size. This is silliness, in my opinion. It is just another way to dodge the "I really want this on a disc, not a drive" issue. Unless you think hard drives never fail. I'd be surprised if TiVo hard drives never fail.