With this election, I feel like...

[gotribego26]

Charleton Heston at the end of Soylent Green or...

Rod Taylor in the land of the Eloi in The Time Machine or...

Kevin McCarthy in Invasion of The Body Snatchers.

In each of these movies, the noted star would run around trying warn the people in his particular situation. Yet, the
people blindly ignored him and just went about their business as if nothing alarming was happening.

That's how I feel with this election. I feel that the foundations on which this country was founded are slowly slipping
away. The Constitutional tenets are being ignored at every turn. And we are on the verge of possibly electing
someone that wants to create a "New Constitution." And to have him at the helm of the ship with the likes of
Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Chuck Shumer, Chris Dodd and others as high-ranking officials just scares the
living hell out of me.

I'm sorry you feel that way - I suspect you and I have similar politicial beliefs. The nice thing about the United States is that no matter who is president we are still the United States. We'll survive anyone in charge - we may not always move forward - but I am convinced that no one President can change enough to harm us permanently. If change is needed it is only 4 years away. A blink in the 232 year life of this greatest country the world has ever known.

We've survived Hoover, Fillmore, Grant, Buchanan, Bush 43, Carter and a few others who through events or incompetence did not make us better during their terms.

We're not at our best today - but I firmly beleive we will be better someday - maybe 4 years from now, maybe 8 or 12 - but it will happen.

I take great pleasure that on January 20th for the 43rd time (I think that is right) we will celebrate a peaceful transfer of power. I wish the new guy didn't face some of the challenges that now exist. I also know that neither guy would do everything the way I would, but I think that whoever it is, he will do his best to make us better than we were when he started.

[peacock2121]

Never mind.

Never mind.

I am glad I read this before you did that.

[mellytu74]

Never mind.

Never mind.

I am glad I read this before you did that.

I have revised.

[Tocqueville3]

Sir G- you should really watch this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGjGbZNyIBY



John Piper is one of the smartest guys I know.


edited to add...I don't agree with everthing he says in the video. But I still think he's smart.

[nitrah55]

There are things about this time in our country that could scare anyone.

The economy's bad. We have difficulty electing a president without getting really upset with each other. And there are a couple of wars on. Even if you think Obama's your guy, you might reasonably worry about what's coming next.

Here's what I think. In my not really that long lifetime, I've seen one president killed, one resign and one impeached. I've seen a 9-year war, a 100-day war and a 5 years and counting war. And terror attacks, both domestic and foreign. And this doesn't even include Game 7 of the 2001 World Series. (OK, that was flip.)

We're still here. We're going to be here.

[traininvain]

Charleton Heston at the end of Soylent Green or...

Rod Taylor in the land of the Eloi in The Time Machine or...

Kevin McCarthy in Invasion of The Body Snatchers.

In each of these movies, the noted star would run around trying warn the people in his particular situation. Yet, the
people blindly ignored him and just went about their business as if nothing alarming was happening.

That's how I feel with this election. I feel that the foundations on which this country was founded are slowly slipping
away. The Constitutional tenets are being ignored at every turn. And we are on the verge of possibly electing
someone that wants to create a "New Constitution." And to have him at the helm of the ship with the likes of
Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Chuck Shumer, Chris Dodd and others as high-ranking officials just scares the
living hell out of me.

The same thing was said 8-years ago. I've said it before, I'll say it again, for 200+ years the other party has been saying that we were being led to Hell, and still our Republic survives.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

Sir G, would you like to borrow my signature line?

[franktangredi]

Charleton Heston at the end of Soylent Green or...

Rod Taylor in the land of the Eloi in The Time Machine or...

Kevin McCarthy in Invasion of The Body Snatchers.

In each of these movies, the noted star would run around trying warn the people in his particular situation. Yet, the
people blindly ignored him and just went about their business as if nothing alarming was happening.

That's how I feel with this election. I feel that the foundations on which this country was founded are slowly slipping
away. The Constitutional tenets are being ignored at every turn. And we are on the verge of possibly electing
someone that wants to create a "New Constitution." And to have him at the helm of the ship with the likes of
Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Chuck Shumer, Chris Dodd and others as high-ranking officials just scares the
living hell out of me.

I'm sorry you feel that way - I suspect you and I have similar politicial beliefs. The nice thing about the United States is that no matter who is president we are still the United States. We'll survive anyone in charge - we may not always move forward - but I am convinced that no one President can change enough to harm us permanently. If change is needed it is only 4 years away. A blink in the 232 year life of this greatest country the world has ever known.

We've survived Hoover, Fillmore, Grant, Buchanan, Bush 43, Carter and a few others who through events or incompetence did not make us better during their terms.

We're not at our best today - but I firmly beleive we will be better someday - maybe 4 years from now, maybe 8 or 12 - but it will happen.

I take great pleasure that on January 20th for the 43rd time (I think that is right) we will celebrate a peaceful transfer of power. I wish the new guy didn't face some of the challenges that now exist. I also know that neither guy would do everything the way I would, but I think that whoever it is, he will do his best to make us better than we were when he started.

Well said.

[Sir_Galahad]

Don't forget, he's a terrorist who wants to eat your babies, enslave the white race, and wrench your hard-earned money from your trembling hands with a maniacal laugh to distribute it to miscreants, drug addicts, and welfare queens. Oh no wait, that all sounds like science fiction too.

I'm so glad you think this is funny stuff.

I'm sorry. I know it's very serious for you. But when you start out comparing this election to an ivasion of pods from outer space or a system for processing and eating human flesh, you cannot be surprised or offended if some people think your attitude is ... shall we say ... a little over the top.

If you truly have faith in the American system, you have to be able to swallow it if that system occasionally delivers somebody into office you don't like. I've learned to do it. Now it's your turn. One day, it will be my turn again.

Frank, I think you missed my point. I was not comparing the election to the movies themselves. Rather, I was making an allusion to the situations in which the movies' protagonists found themselves. That is, in a world / situation in which nobody seemed to be paying attention to the impending disaster / problems / relevations they were facing. Yes, the world and the country will march on. But, it is the quality of life and tearing down of the ideals on which this country was founded that may be in jeopardy. Would that actually happen? I don't really know. But, the frequency with which I hear all sorts of "proposed" changes to these ideals by so many of the Washington elite who are ever so ready to enact these changes (and who will have the power to do so) is, IMO, cause for extreme concern.

As for my heading north to Canada, *@#%&*^$*@*!!

[gotribego26]

But, the frequency with which I hear all sorts of "proposed" changes to these ideals by so many of the Washington elite who are ever so ready to enact these changes (and who will have the power to do so) is, IMO, cause for extreme concern.

I hope they don't do anything really crazy like nationalizing banks

[Sir_Galahad]

But, the frequency with which I hear all sorts of "proposed" changes to these ideals by so many of the Washington elite who are ever so ready to enact these changes (and who will have the power to do so) is, IMO, cause for extreme concern.

I hope they don't do anything really crazy like nationalizing banks

That was one of several indicators as to the direction we're going. Should they have passed the bailout? That depends on which you consider to be the lesser of two evils. Either let the banks fail and force a likely depression or bail them out, preserve the credit system but have the government part owner of these institutions. Had I been forced to make a decision I really don't know which way I would have voted.

And, lest you be confused, I do not consider myself to be a Republican or Bush supporter. As I have posted several times before, I did not vote for Bush on either occasion.

[KillerTomato]

Sirge, now you know how some of us felt 8 (and 4) years ago.

We survived that (barely), so it's about time we got our Constitution BACK to what it was in 2000.

[franktangredi]

Frank, I think you missed my point. I was not comparing the election to the movies themselves. Rather, I was making an allusion to the situations in which the movies' protagonists found themselves. That is, in a world / situation in which nobody seemed to be paying attention to the impending disaster / problems / relevations they were facing. Yes, the world and the country will march on. But, it is the quality of life and tearing down of the ideals on which this country was founded that may be in jeopardy. Would that actually happen? I don't really know. But, the frequency with which I hear all sorts of "proposed" changes to these ideals by so many of the Washington elite who are ever so ready to enact these changes (and who will have the power to do so) is, IMO, cause for extreme concern.

As for my heading north to Canada, *@#%&*^$*@*!!

I really did get your point. But I still contend that your analogy invited that comparison. If someone compares himself to somebody warning against dangers that extreme, it is only natural to assume that person is comparing the 'dangers'.

That's part of the problem of being subjected to a steady diet of extreme rhetoric. You're willing to assume people believe nearly anything.

[Sir_Galahad]

Sirge, now you know how some of us felt 8 (and 4) years ago.

We survived that (barely), so it's about time we got our Constitution BACK to what it was in 2000.

So, you would be willing to mortgage this country's next four years as atonement for the bumbling, arrogant fool that occupied the White House the past eight years?

Funny thing is, I read someplace that the RNC offered McCain as a sacrificial lamb so that Obama would get elected, totally f*%@ up this country to the point that the country would be screaming for a strong conservative in four years. I can only hope that this will be the birth of a viable third party.

[KillerTomato]

Sirge, now you know how some of us felt 8 (and 4) years ago.

We survived that (barely), so it's about time we got our Constitution BACK to what it was in 2000.

So, you would be willing to mortgage this country's next four years as atonement for the bumbling, arrogant fool that occupied the White House the past eight years?

Funny thing is, I read someplace that the RNC offered McCain as a sacrificial lamb so that Obama would get elected, totally f*%@ up this country to the point that the country would be screaming for a strong conservative in four years. I can only hope that this will be the birth of a viable third party.

But I don't see it as "mortgag[ing] this country's next four years" at all. I truly believe that Sen. Obama is the right person for the job economically, intellectually, and in terms of national security. I'm MUCH less inclined to believe that the Republicans' Axis of Evil of Pelosi Reid and Obama will immediately turn this country into a socialist, forced-abortion, gay-happy country. Washington knows that a third of the Senate and all of the House undergo referendum every two years, and the President every four. If they do anything too radical, they're going to lose their jobs in two years, and God knows, they'll do anything NOT to have that happen.

Will there be changes? Absolutely, and Lord knows we need them. The disastrous Bush tax cuts will be history (and good riddance). We'll likely see major changes to the Health Care system (again, desperately needed). But we'll also see some indication that the debacle of Iraq will reach a conclusion, that habeas corpus will be restored, and that illegal wiretapping will end. Look also for a REDUCTION in the national debt over the next couple of years, despite what Faux News will try to scare you with. It will be proven once and for all that supply-side, trickle-down economics is now and always was a mistake, and that a stronger middle-class will be beneficial for everyone.

That's my opinion, at least. YMMV.

[ne1410s]

KT:

It will be proven once and for all that supply-side, trickle-down economics is now and always was a mistake, and that a stronger middle-class will be beneficial for everyone.

You... you mean feeding the elephants more so the sparrows could eat was NOT a good policy? I'm shocked to the core!

[a1mamacat]

[quote="Sir_Galahad]


Frank, I think you missed my point. I was not comparing the election to the movies themselves. Rather, I was making an allusion to the situations in which the movies' protagonists found themselves. That is, in a world / situation in which nobody seemed to be paying attention to the impending disaster / problems / relevations they were facing. Yes, the world and the country will march on. But, it is the quality of life and tearing down of the ideals on which this country was founded that may be in jeopardy. Would that actually happen? I don't really know. But, the frequency with which I hear all sorts of "proposed" changes to these ideals by so many of the Washington elite who are ever so ready to enact these changes (and who will have the power to do so) is, IMO, cause for extreme concern.

As for my heading north to Canada, *@#%&*^$*@*!![/quote]

Same to you, fella!

[danielh41]

It will be proven once and for all that supply-side, trickle-down economics is now and always was a mistake, and that a stronger middle-class will be beneficial for everyone.

That's my opinion, at least. YMMV.

I believe that an obama presidency and the resulting poor economic conditions will prove once and for all that supply-side, trickle-down economics works to create jobs and grow the economy.

[Bob Juch]

It will be proven once and for all that supply-side, trickle-down economics is now and always was a mistake, and that a stronger middle-class will be beneficial for everyone.

That's my opinion, at least. YMMV.

I believe that an obama presidency and the resulting poor economic conditions will prove once and for all that supply-side, trickle-down economics works to create jobs and grow the economy.

That's fine if you're doing the trickling and are not the one being trickled on.

[Timsterino]

Charleton Heston at the end of Soylent Green or...

Rod Taylor in the land of the Eloi in The Time Machine or...

Kevin McCarthy in Invasion of The Body Snatchers.

In each of these movies, the noted star would run around trying warn the people in his particular situation. Yet, the
people blindly ignored him and just went about their business as if nothing alarming was happening.

That is funny, Gary. That is exactly how I felt in 2000 and 2004 when George W. Bush was elected and re-elected. This however will have a much better ending. Mark my words.

[danielh41]

It will be proven once and for all that supply-side, trickle-down economics is now and always was a mistake, and that a stronger middle-class will be beneficial for everyone.

That's my opinion, at least. YMMV.

I believe that an obama presidency and the resulting poor economic conditions will prove once and for all that supply-side, trickle-down economics works to create jobs and grow the economy.

That's fine if you're doing the trickling and are not the one being trickled on.

Unlike some people here, I remember how bad things got under Carter and the dramatic improvement that resulted from Reagan's economic policies.