Gov shutdown
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2025 5:36 pm
Both sides are assholes. That is all.
That goes without saying. But one side can end it by 5 senators doing what they scolded the other side to do many times.
I wish everyone would stop using the most insulting, critical rhetoric to report what happens. This doesn't help
I disagree. Call it what you want, but 'a win' will not cut it.This is a win for everyone
Win doesn't mean you get everything you want. A loss doesn't mean you didn't get everthing you want.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 9:40 amI disagree. Call it what you want, but 'a win' will not cut it.This is a win for everyone
In a “government shutdown”, there are no winners, only losers. Unfortunately, the losers are millions of people who were not playing and don’t consider earning a living or feeding their kids to be a game.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 9:40 amI disagree. Call it what you want, but 'a win' will not cut it.This is a win for everyone
I agree with your first point. Unfortunately, it is very clear that Chuck Schumer and the democrats felt shutting down the government WAS a game. They've FA and now they FO. They passed Obamacare without one Republican Vote. It was supposed to make healthcare affordable, but it did the opposite. All it accomplished was give a windfall to Insurance companies, eliminate competition and enable the insurers to raise their prices to the roof. Then, when they had all three branches during Covid, they passed enormous subsidies to keep it afloat and 'affordable'. Again, without a single republican vote. But they put an end date on it when they could have made it permanent, because they wanted to use it as a political issue. It came back to haunt them, because they were counting on making sure Trump couldn't win. But he did. They were somewhat successful in convincing their base, the dumb masses, that republicans shut down the government, but it was Schumer's deal, trying to look tough to the radical arm of his party. The losers should blame the democrats. Sorry, BiT, but that's the truth. This time the republicans held the higher ground. But they still have to share the blame for the harm to the country and to the individuals Appa refers to.Appa23 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 4:09 pmIn a “government shutdown”, there are no winners, only losers. Unfortunately, the losers are millions of people who were not playing and don’t consider earning a living or feeding their kids to be a game.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 9:40 amI disagree. Call it what you want, but 'a win' will not cut it.This is a win for everyone
Flock, you seem secure in your belief that the fired public servants were not doing essential jobs. I won’t tell you that federal service is not like the private sector, where there are some folks who do the minimum work for their pay, but I will tell you that I know that there are a substantial percentage who do feel a call to public service, willing to take less pay for a bigger purpose. I know this unquestionably because I work with them, I counsel them, and I am trusted to lead them.
I unfortunately have had acquired more expertise in leading governmental/military organizations through lapses in appropriation in the past 15 years than makes any sense. Each time, they get longer, and we make public service the one thing that it is not supposed to be — political.
Sweetie, it’s an extremely flawed law, but it was better than the alternative, which is what we’re about to get, which is nothing.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 10:20 pmI agree with your first point. Unfortunately, it is very clear that Chuck Schumer and the democrats felt shutting down the government WAS a game. They've FA and now they FO. They passed Obamacare without one Republican Vote. It was supposed to make healthcare affordable, but it did the opposite. All it accomplished was give a windfall to Insurance companies, eliminate competition and enable the insurers to raise their prices to the roof. Then, when they had all three branches during Covid, they passed enormous subsidies to keep it afloat and 'affordable'. Again, without a single republican vote. But they put an end date on it when they could have made it permanent, because they wanted to use it as a political issue. It came back to haunt them, because they were counting on making sure Trump couldn't win. But he did. They were somewhat successful in convincing their base, the dumb masses, that republicans shut down the government, but it was Schumer's deal, trying to look tough to the radical arm of his party. The losers should blame the democrats. Sorry, BiT, but that's the truth. This time the republicans held the higher ground. But they still have to share the blame for the harm to the country and to the individuals Appa refers to.Appa23 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 4:09 pmIn a “government shutdown”, there are no winners, only losers. Unfortunately, the losers are millions of people who were not playing and don’t consider earning a living or feeding their kids to be a game.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 9:40 am
I disagree. Call it what you want, but 'a win' will not cut it.
Flock, you seem secure in your belief that the fired public servants were not doing essential jobs. I won’t tell you that federal service is not like the private sector, where there are some folks who do the minimum work for their pay, but I will tell you that I know that there are a substantial percentage who do feel a call to public service, willing to take less pay for a bigger purpose. I know this unquestionably because I work with them, I counsel them, and I am trusted to lead them.
I unfortunately have had acquired more expertise in leading governmental/military organizations through lapses in appropriation in the past 15 years than makes any sense. Each time, they get longer, and we make public service the one thing that it is not supposed to be — political.
Appa, I'm sure there are some wonderful people who are in essential jobs that feel a calling to do them. But the government is not known for being efficient. And it does not need to be so big. I am a big believer in Ronald Reagan's philosophy that government cannot solve the problem. In most cases government IS the problem.
For awhile we had the smartest man in the world helping us to make the government more efficient and eliminate waste. He was held in contempt and vilified by the entrenched bureaucracy that is Washington DC.
You will not convince me that the federal workforce cannot be significantly reduced with no ill effects in the long run or that there's no significant fraud.
not want the government to pay for healthcare at all
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 11, 2025 2:12 pmnot want the government to pay for healthcare at all
Yup. You got it. I'm not fond of the idea of people like Fauchi or you making decisions about my health. Keep the govament out of it.
Weyoun wrote: ↑Tue Nov 11, 2025 4:20 pmflockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 11, 2025 2:12 pmnot want the government to pay for healthcare at all
Yup. You got it. I'm not fond of the idea of people like Fauchi or you making decisions about my health. Keep the govament out of it.
Did you know the private insurers are the ones who actually do that thing?