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Pick one....

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:40 pm
by flockofseagulls104
Pretty much silence in this forum on the left recently. Definitely nothing on topic that anyone has specifically brought up.

Ifonly's AWOL, Bobby has lost interest, BJ is hit and miss. SSS has come back a little. I am glad he's doing better.

So here's a thread the leftists can respond to and chances are they might actually be on topic, for a change.

SSS asked me to give him 2 Trump accomplishments. I gave him more than 2, but he couldn't even come up with a contrived contradiction to some of them. So here's a list of accomplishments of the democrats, the swamp and the left in general I found and thought was interesting.
When they shut down the government in 2025, you say nothing!
When millions of illegals were ushered in through the southern border, you said nothing!
When they abandoned millions of dollars worth of military equipment in Afghanistan, you said nothing!
When they flaunted a two-tier justice system, one for them and one for everyone else, you said nothing!
When they covered up the Hunter Biden laptop, you said nothing!
When they passed a trillion-dollar infrastructure bill that failed miserably, you said nothing!
When they forced Americans to take an untested vaccine, you said nothing!
When inflation crushed the middle class, you said nothing!
When they sent billions to Ukraine, you said nothing!
When chemicals polluted the water in East Palestine, Ohio and they ignored it, you said nothing!
When Americans were raped, robbed and murdered by illegals, you said nothing!
When they implanted Kamala as the presidential nominee without getting a single vote, you said nothing!
When billionaire and anti-American George Soros funded dozens of AG elections, you said nothing!
When they turned our classrooms into liberal indoctrination camps, you said nothing!
When they spent our tax dollars on inmates transition surgeries, you said nothing!
When they gave the citizens of Hawaii $700 after losing their entire city, you said nothing!
When they gave free money, food and 5-star hotel lodging to illegals, you said nothing!
When they came for our free speech, you said nothing!
When DEI weakened the military and put our national security at risk, you said nothing!
When they colluded with the media to push false reports, you said nothing!
When it was open season on law enforcement and criminals reigned, you said nothing!
When they weaponized the justice system to take down their political opponents, you said nothing!
When the bureaucrats took over the White House and ran the government, you said nothing!
When they covered up Biden's rapidly declining mental state, you said nothing!
When they groomed our kids in school and hid it from the parents, you said nothing!
When the drug epidemic exploded and 1000s died annually, you said nothing!
When they accosted the Jews on their campuses, you said nothing!
When they weaponized the intelligence agencies against Americans, you said nothing!
When they spent $45 million dollars on "Diversity and Inclusion" scholarships in Burma, you said nothing!
When they let men play women's sports, you said nothing!
When they chanted "Death to America" and burned our flag, you said nothing!
When they shut down our energy production and emboldened Russia, you said nothing!
When the crime rates in American cities increased, you said nothing!
While thousands of veterans were left to sleep out on the streets, you said nothing!
When 300,000 migrant children went missing and no one had a clue, you said nothing!
When Joe Biden pardoned his friends and family, you said nothing!
When they sent billions to Iran and inadvertently funded Hamas, you said nothing!
When men were celebrated for pretending to be women, you said nothing!
When they let a Chinese Spy Balloon sail across America, you said nothing!
When 50 intelligence agents all lied to bury the Hunter Biden laptop as Russian disinformation, you said nothing!
When American citizens were taken hostage and held for a year in Gaza, you said nothing!
When Facebook admitted, they conspired with the Biden administration to censor the truth, you said nothing!
When they cleaned the streets of San Francisco for the communist Chinese President Xi Jinping, you said nothing!
When Fauci and the WHO peddled covid 19 virus lies and covered up the origins, you said nothing!
When they sealed the January 6th commission files or "lost them", you said nothing!
You saw the corruption, the lies, the bad policy, the anti-American agenda and said nothing, so please spare us your crocodile tears and all your fake hysteria now. For 4 years you watched this country get run into the ground on all fronts and you said nothing!

Re: Pick one....

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:35 pm
by silverscreenselect
Apparently, when you stumble across some lengthy internet diatribe containing dozens of misstatements, half-truths, and untruths and the sum total of your "research" is to cut and paste said diatribe, you expect me to spend hours of my time refuting every single point and my not doing so is an admission of some sort that your Twitter source was correct.

I do have better things to do with my time.

Re: Pick one....

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:56 pm
by flockofseagulls104
silverscreenselect wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:35 pm
Apparently, when you stumble across some lengthy internet diatribe containing dozens of misstatements, half-truths, and untruths and the sum total of your "research" is to cut and paste said diatribe, you expect me to spend hours of my time refuting every single point and my not doing so is an admission of some sort that your Twitter source was correct.

I do have better things to do with my time.
Pick one. Happens to be the name of the thread.

Comprehension is not a strong point of the left.

Re: Pick one....

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 4:57 am
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:56 pm
Pick one. Happens to be the name of the thread.
All right, I'll bite.
When the crime rates in American cities increased, you said nothing!
This one is one of the easiest to refute.

Crime Stats Still Show a Decline Since 2020
Crime statistics compiled by the FBI and other sources show an increase in violent crime, notably murders, in 2020 and a decline since. Local law enforcement agencies voluntarily report crime data to the FBI, which compiles the figures in annual reports on crime nationwide, with some estimation done when agencies don’t report figures for a full year, or at all. The annual figures for 2023, released last month, show a decline in violent crime since 2020 — the last year of former President Donald Trump’s administration.

In 2020, the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic, there was a spike in violent crime overall, due to increases in murders and aggravated assaults. Experts have said that the pandemic, and its economic repercussions, was one factor behind the increase. Violent crime has eased back down since then. The number and rate per 100,000 population for violent crime overall, as well as for murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery and aggravated assault, all went down from 2020 to 2023, according to the FBI-compiled statistics. The violent crime rate dropped by 22.5 points, the murder rate declined by 0.9 points. The number of murders decreased by 14.5%.

As we have reported, other sources of crime stats show the same trend. The Major Cities Chiefs Association reports, with the addition of New York City’s statistics, show a 9.1% decrease in the number of murders in 70 large U.S. cities from 2020 to 2023, and a further decline for the first half of 2024. As of early this month, AH Datalytics, an independent criminal justice data analysis group, reported a 17.9% decrease in murders in more than 250 U.S. cities so far this year, compared with the same points in 2023.

“Violent crime rose in 2020 and has fallen since then though the rise in violent crime has always been more muted than people assume. Murder, by contrast, rose a ton in 2020 and is falling a ton right now,” Jeff Asher, co-founder of AH Datalytics, recently wrote in a Substack post.
I could have picked about a dozen sources on the first page of the Google search that said the same thing. Crime up under Trump; crime down under Biden.

On the other hand, here's one claim I agree with, although I'd say that's something to be proud of, unless you're a fan of Vladimir Putin, as Trump is:
When they sent billions to Ukraine, you said nothing!

Re: Pick one....

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 7:20 am
by flockofseagulls104
All right, I'll bite.
When the crime rates in American cities increased, you said nothing!
This one is one of the easiest to refute.

Crime Stats Still Show a Decline Since 2020
Really?

As is true in all situations in politics, one side says one thing and the other says the opposite. It is obvious someone is lying, and probable that both sides are. Nothing is easy to refute, which is why you still have your obsession to hate Trump and I support him.

If you don't have unquestionable proof, you have to go with your gut and weigh which argument holds the most water. However, in some things, you can take it into your own hands and expertise to find out which side is telling the truth. I have done that in the area of the GA Voter Roll, and have come to the conclusion that I don't think that our Secretary of State is lying to us. I KNOW he is. That knowledge is a tipping factor in many other areas. As are things like the flip flop on the veracity of Hunter's Laptop. The 51 'experts' that engaged in election interference. The obvious lawfare and cancelling of conservative viewpoints and opinions. And so many other things.

My viewpoint is based on the opinion that the left and the media have been caught in so many unquestionable and irrefutable lies that they are not credible. Or at least several levels of credibility below the right.

Re: Pick one....

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 3:10 pm
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Tue Oct 21, 2025 7:20 am
As is true in all situations in politics, one side says one thing and the other says the opposite. It is obvious someone is lying, and probable that both sides are. Nothing is easy to refute, which is why you still have your obsession to hate Trump and I support him.

If you don't have unquestionable proof, you have to go with your gut and weigh which argument holds the most water. However, in some things, you can take it into your own hands and expertise to find out which side is telling the truth. I have done that in the area of the GA Voter Roll, and have come to the conclusion that I don't think that our Secretary of State is lying to us. I KNOW he is. That knowledge is a tipping factor in many other areas. As are things like the flip flop on the veracity of Hunter's Laptop. The 51 'experts' that engaged in election interference. The obvious lawfare and cancelling of conservative viewpoints and opinions. And so many other things.

My viewpoint is based on the opinion that the left and the media have been caught in so many unquestionable and irrefutable lies that they are not credible. Or at least several levels of credibility below the right.
Translation: If the facts are against you, shout fake news.

Re: Pick one....

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 3:41 pm
by flockofseagulls104
silverscreenselect wrote:
Tue Oct 21, 2025 3:10 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Tue Oct 21, 2025 7:20 am
As is true in all situations in politics, one side says one thing and the other says the opposite. It is obvious someone is lying, and probable that both sides are. Nothing is easy to refute, which is why you still have your obsession to hate Trump and I support him.

If you don't have unquestionable proof, you have to go with your gut and weigh which argument holds the most water. However, in some things, you can take it into your own hands and expertise to find out which side is telling the truth. I have done that in the area of the GA Voter Roll, and have come to the conclusion that I don't think that our Secretary of State is lying to us. I KNOW he is. That knowledge is a tipping factor in many other areas. As are things like the flip flop on the veracity of Hunter's Laptop. The 51 'experts' that engaged in election interference. The obvious lawfare and cancelling of conservative viewpoints and opinions. And so many other things.

My viewpoint is based on the opinion that the left and the media have been caught in so many unquestionable and irrefutable lies that they are not credible. Or at least several levels of credibility below the right.
Translation: If the facts are against you, shout fake news.
So, how do you come up with that? Show your work.

SSS Translation Book

Re: Pick one....

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 9:18 am
by jarnon
I’ll take a few.
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:40 pm
When they passed a trillion-dollar infrastructure bill that failed miserably, you said nothing!
The law spawned thousands of successful projects throughout the country. Republican officials are happy to be in photos as a bridge or road opens. Some projects are less visible, such as broadband access and removal of lead pipes, which had caused much more illness than the Ohio chemical spill did.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:40 pm
When chemicals polluted the water in East Palestine, Ohio and they ignored it, you said nothing!
The government responded quickly as they do to all man-made catastrophes.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:40 pm
When they gave free money, food and 5-star hotel lodging to illegals, you said nothing!
Requesting asylum at the border is legal. You probably think most of them have invalid claims and should have been turned away, and letting them free in the U.S. is stupid policy, and I may disagree. As long as they obey the rules while waiting for their cases to be decided, they’re welcome here IMHO.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:40 pm
When they spent $45 million dollars on “Diversity and Inclusion” scholarships in Burma, you said nothing!
These scholarships allowed young adults from Burma, a military dictatorship that all Americans oppose, to get a decent education in Thailand. Despite Diversity and Inclusion in the project title, it had nothing to do with DEI. This is one of many misunderstandings by the DOGE goons early in the Trump administration.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:40 pm
When American citizens were taken hostage and held for a year in Gaza, you said nothing!
Biden courageously traveled to Israel shortly after the Hamas attack. Because of his strong backing of Israel, the far left labeled him “Genocide Joe.” Many hostages, including most of the American citizens, were released after a few months. Two more Americans were freed in the ceasefire he negotiated at the end of his term, with cooperation from the incoming Trump team. The last living American, Edan Alexander, came home last May.

Most of these bogus accusations can be refuted just as easily.

Re: Pick one....

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 11:49 am
by flockofseagulls104
jarnon wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 9:18 am
I’ll take a few.
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:40 pm
When they passed a trillion-dollar infrastructure bill that failed miserably, you said nothing!
The law spawned thousands of successful projects throughout the country. Republican officials are happy to be in photos as a bridge or road opens. Some projects are less visible, such as broadband access and removal of lead pipes, which had caused much more illness than the Ohio chemical spill did.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:40 pm
When chemicals polluted the water in East Palestine, Ohio and they ignored it, you said nothing!
The government responded quickly as they do to all man-made catastrophes.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:40 pm
When they gave free money, food and 5-star hotel lodging to illegals, you said nothing!
Requesting asylum at the border is legal. You probably think most of them have invalid claims and should have been turned away, and letting them free in the U.S. is stupid policy, and I may disagree. As long as they obey the rules while waiting for their cases to be decided, they’re welcome here IMHO.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:40 pm
When they spent $45 million dollars on “Diversity and Inclusion” scholarships in Burma, you said nothing!
These scholarships allowed young adults from Burma, a military dictatorship that all Americans oppose, to get a decent education in Thailand. Despite Diversity and Inclusion in the project title, it had nothing to do with DEI. This is one of many misunderstandings by the DOGE goons early in the Trump administration.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:40 pm
When American citizens were taken hostage and held for a year in Gaza, you said nothing!
Biden courageously traveled to Israel shortly after the Hamas attack. Because of his strong backing of Israel, the far left labeled him “Genocide Joe.” Many hostages, including most of the American citizens, were released after a few months. Two more Americans were freed in the ceasefire he negotiated at the end of his term, with cooperation from the incoming Trump team. The last living American, Edan Alexander, came home last May.

Most of these bogus accusations can be refuted just as easily.
LOL.
OK, I refute your refutations just by saying you're wrong on everything you stated. There. Just as valid as the sentences you wasted in addressing each issue.

Re: Pick one....

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 2:33 pm
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 11:49 am
jarnon wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 9:18 am

Most of these bogus accusations can be refuted just as easily.
LOL.
OK, I refute your refutations just by saying you're wrong on everything you stated. There. Just as valid as the sentences you wasted in addressing each issue.
And that's why arguing with you is a waste of time. You are happy in your delusions and that's all there is to it. Whenever jarnon or Weyoun or I or any of the other non-MAGA types on this Bored refute your statements with facts, you cover your ears and refuse to acknowledge them. Everything jarnon said is easily verifiable, and I did verify the point I chose to refute with statistics that came directly from FBI and local law enforcement incident report and arrest records as compiled by the Department of Justice. The "source" you cited in response to my criticism had two basic arguments: (1) crime in Canada and Mexico went up during the Biden administration, so crime in the U.S. must have gone up as well, and (2) many crimes go unreported, so the US totals are significantly higher than what's actually been reported. If we accept your source's premise for statement (1), we don't need to compile any vital statistics because we can just say that our results, good or bad, over a certain period of time should be similar to those of Canada. As for statement (2), while many crimes went unreported during the Biden administration, they also went unreported in the Trump administration and every other previous administration as well. You can't ignore the Biden crime figures while accepting the Trump figures as gospel.

I will give you credit for actually citing a source who wrote an entire bogus article rather than your usual hit-and-run tactics with random tweets. If you look up Leonard Sipes's career, you'll find almost no actual journalistic or law enforcement experience. He's been a media relations and P.R. consultant for a variety of right wing organizations and a talk radio host. In other words, a paid hack.

Re: Pick one....

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 3:30 pm
by flockofseagulls104
silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 2:33 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 11:49 am
jarnon wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 9:18 am

Most of these bogus accusations can be refuted just as easily.
LOL.
OK, I refute your refutations just by saying you're wrong on everything you stated. There. Just as valid as the sentences you wasted in addressing each issue.
And that's why arguing with you is a waste of time. You are happy in your delusions and that's all there is to it. Whenever jarnon or Weyoun or I or any of the other non-MAGA types on this Bored refute your statements with facts, you cover your ears and refuse to acknowledge them. Everything jarnon said is easily verifiable, and I did verify the point I chose to refute with statistics that came directly from FBI and local law enforcement incident report and arrest records as compiled by the Department of Justice. The "source" you cited in response to my criticism had two basic arguments: (1) crime in Canada and Mexico went up during the Biden administration, so crime in the U.S. must have gone up as well, and (2) many crimes go unreported, so the US totals are significantly higher than what's actually been reported. If we accept your source's premise for statement (1), we don't need to compile any vital statistics because we can just say that our results, good or bad, over a certain period of time should be similar to those of Canada. As for statement (2), while many crimes went unreported during the Biden administration, they also went unreported in the Trump administration and every other previous administration as well. You can't ignore the Biden crime figures while accepting the Trump figures as gospel.

I will give you credit for actually citing a source who wrote an entire bogus article rather than your usual hit-and-run tactics with random tweets. If you look up Leonard Sipes's career, you'll find almost no actual journalistic or law enforcement experience. He's been a media relations and P.R. consultant for a variety of right wing organizations and a talk radio host. In other words, a paid hack.
What 'FACTS' did you use to support your OPINIONS? Factcheck.org?
What 'FACTS' did jarnon use? None except 'na na na na boo boo'.
Um, gimmee a break.

Let me do just one:
When they passed a trillion-dollar infrastructure bill that failed miserably, you said nothing!

I, unlike the leftists here, have somewhat of a memory. There were not just 1, but 2 of them that failed miserably.

First Obama rammed through the 'shovel ready jobs' fiasco. I thought that was supposed to solve all the infrastructure problems, but most of the money kinda disappeared.

If Obama's bill had worked, why the hell then did we need Biden's bill that was a miserable failure as well? Gee, it spawned thousands of wonderful projects. So, have we solved all the infrastructure issues yet? Or do we need another one to fund all the democrat/progressive slush funds?

Are these not facts, SSS? or have I quoted a biased source, or am I just full of shit as always (which is one of your standard answers when you can't dispute something (see my signature)?

Re: Pick one....

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 4:50 pm
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 3:30 pm
What 'FACTS' did you use to support your OPINIONS? Factcheck.org?
A REPORT ON RECORD-LOW CRIME DURING THE BIDENHARRIS ADMINISTRATION

Joe Biden is correct that violent crime is near a 50-year low

What the data says about crime in the U.S.

REPORT: Record-Low Crime During the Biden-Harris Administration

FBI report disproves Trump’s claim of a Biden-era out-of-control crime wave

Crime Down in Every Category in 2024 Under Biden, FBI Report Says

Nation's violent crime rate fell in 2024 to lowest in 20 years: FBI

FBI Releases 2024 Reported Crimes in the Nation Statistics

This is just what's listed on the first page of Google when I typed in "crime rate under Biden" as the search term. The statistics that these articles are based on are official statistics compiled and released by hundreds of local law enforcement jurisdictions and the FBI. The 2024 FBI report in the last link was released in August 2025, during the second Trump administration.

But this is all your standard tactics. Demand more and more proof from those who dispute you, all the while providing none yourself other than your assertion that you choose to believe your scources, who are almost always anonymous twitterers. Then dismiss all the proof without looking at it as "fake news" from the biased liberal media. And for your information, since you again showed your lack of reading comprehension skills, the problem I had with your "source" wasn't his bias. It was the easily demonstrated flaws in his argument.

I noticed you suddenly decided that the "infrastructure" package your anonymous friend referred to was Obama's bill. I won't get into the merits of the bill, but will note that it was primarily a stimulus package, not an infrastructure bill as much of Biden's bill. You could also note that the Great Recession bottomed out in March or April 2009 and ended two months later.

I'm going to allow you to take what I'm sure will be another victory lap as you summarily dismiss this post and then claim that I always make the same argument. Since my "argument" is usually a presentation of facts that refute your claims, you're correct there. But I've got better things to do with my time than to continue playing your games.

Re: Pick one....

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 5:42 pm
by jarnon
USAID Diversity and Inclusion Scholarship Program
It does say outreach and recruitment efforts target ethnic and religious minorities (which in Burma includes whites and Christians). However, selection is based on merit.

Biden in Israel, October 2023:
Image

“Genocide Joe”:
Image

List of Gaza war hostages
2 Americans released after 13 days
2 released after 1 month 19 days
1 released after 1 month 22 days
1 released after 1 year 3 months 25 days
1 released after 1 year 4 months 8 days
1 released after 1 year 7 months 5 days

Re: Pick one....

Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 2:45 pm
by flockofseagulls104
jarnon wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 5:42 pm
USAID Diversity and Inclusion Scholarship Program
It does say outreach and recruitment efforts target ethnic and religious minorities (which in Burma includes whites and Christians). However, selection is based on merit.

THE QUESTION IS: WHY DO WE NEED TO BE FUNDING SCHOLARSHIPS IN BURMA AT ALL?

Biden in Israel, October 2023:
Image

SO WHAT? WHAT DID HE DO TO HELP ISRAEL OTHER THAN TO TRY AND DICTATE ISRAEL'S RESPONSE. WHAT IS THIS PICTURE SUPPOSED TO PROVE?

“Genocide Joe”:
Image
YEAH, TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE LOONIES ON THE LEFT. AGAIN, WHAT DOES THIS PHOTO PROVE?

List of Gaza war hostages
2 Americans released after 13 days
2 released after 1 month 19 days
1 released after 1 month 22 days
1 released after 1 year 3 months 25 days
1 released after 1 year 4 months 8 days
1 released after 1 year 7 months 5 days

TRUMP: RELEASE OF ALL HOSTAGES. NEUTRALIZING IRAN THREAT. 20 POINT PEACE PLAN THAT IS BEING IMPLEMENTED. WHY DID BIDEN NOT DO THAT?

Geez.