No more nationwide injunctions by insane, bought and paid for judges

[flockofseagulls104]

The President can now do his job, as he was elected to do. Now if we can only get Congress to do it's job!

[tlynn78]

Pretty good day at the SC.

[kroxquo]

The President can now do his job, as he was elected to do. Now if we can only get Congress to do it's job!

Of course the decision does not address the larger issue of whether the President can arbitrarily amend the Constitution by executive order. Scotus side-stepped that.

[flockofseagulls104]

The President can now do his job, as he was elected to do. Now if we can only get Congress to do it's job!

Of course the decision does not address the larger issue of whether the President can arbitrarily amend the Constitution by executive order. Scotus side-stepped that.

Nice try. So tell me krox, why do you want people to be able to come here just to drop babies?

[jarnon]

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The President can now do his job, as he was elected to do. Now if we can only get Congress to do it's job!

Of course the decision does not address the larger issue of whether the President can arbitrarily amend the Constitution by executive order. Scotus side-stepped that.

Nice try. So tell me krox, why do you want people to be able to come here just to drop babies?

This isn’t a matter of what anybody wants. I don’t want Nazis marching. I don’t want flags burning. I don’t want murderers to go free because a cop bungled a search. But these things follow from the Constitution, so we have to either put up with them or amend it (and the amendments will also have consequences that somebody won’t like).

[kroxquo]

=Of course the decision does not address the larger issue of whether the President can arbitrarily amend the Constitution by executive order. Scotus side-stepped that.

Nice try. So tell me krox, why do you want people to be able to come here just to drop babies?

This isn’t a matter of what anybody wants. I don’t want Nazis marching. I don’t want flags burning. I don’t want murderers to go free because a cop bungled a search. But these things follow from the Constitution, so we have to either put up with them or amend it (and the amendments will also have consequences that somebody won’t like).

Jarnon made my point exactly. The 14th Amendment is explicit: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." The process of amending the Constitution is also explicit and it does not involve a President arbitrarily acting alone. Do I agree with birthright citizenship? I have mixed feelings about it and would not have strong feelings if it went away using the proper methods. But allowing ANY President to make a change to a fundamental Constitutional right sets a dangerous precedent toward the erosion of the Constitution.

[Weyoun]

The President can now do his job, as he was elected to do. Now if we can only get Congress to do it's job!

Of course the decision does not address the larger issue of whether the President can arbitrarily amend the Constitution by executive order. Scotus side-stepped that.

Nice try. So tell me krox, why do you want people to be able to come here just to drop babies?

Does this really happen that much? First of all, your ICE Gestapo is taking moms from babies anyway (very pro-life there).

Second, do you really want to toss out the plain text of the Constitution because you freak out over Mexicans having babies?

[flockofseagulls104]

=Of course the decision does not address the larger issue of whether the President can arbitrarily amend the Constitution by executive order. Scotus side-stepped that.

Nice try. So tell me krox, why do you want people to be able to come here just to drop babies?

This isn’t a matter of what anybody wants. I don’t want Nazis marching. I don’t want flags burning. I don’t want murderers to go free because a cop bungled a search. But these things follow from the Constitution, so we have to either put up with them or amend it (and the amendments will also have consequences that somebody won’t like).

You are right. A literal reading of the 14th Amendment permits women (not birthing persons) from other countries to come here and have their babies to get American citizenship. We all know this amendment was made specifically for ex-slaves after the Civil War. The authors could not have envisioned modern travel.

No question that the amendment needs to be amended. But the question still remains. Maybe not for you specifically, but why would anyone who loves this country support foreigners coming here to take advantage of a loophole in our nation's constitution when they know that's not what the authors intended? (we know why, the question is rhetorical).

[elwoodblues]

When the 2nd Amendment was written no one could have foreseen the AR-15 either.

The Supreme Court tries to determine the Founders' intent, and by an amazing coincidence the Founders' intent always matches the Justices' own beliefs.

[flockofseagulls104]

When the 2nd Amendment was written no one could have foreseen the AR-15 either.

The Supreme Court tries to determine the Founders' intent, and by an amazing coincidence the Founders' intent always matches the Justices' own beliefs.

Yes. I have conceded my point. We both need a new amendment, don't we?

My argument is taking away an illegitimate loophole that non citizens are taking advantage of.
Your argument is taking away a right from citizens.

Go ahead and change the Constitution to ban AR-15s. Good luck coming up with acceptable language.
I think the vast majority of citizens would support an end to birthright citizenship if they were given the choice.