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Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:36 pm
by Weyoun
At least that is what our president is telling us.
He doesn’t offer specific evidence of this, just like he didn’t offer evidence that it was an illegal immigrant who murdered all those people in New Orleans. What if it turns out the air traffic controller was a white man? The helicopter pilot a gay black woman?
One thing that would be helpful right now would be a fully staffed administration that dealt with this. Unfortunately, he fired many appointees, some not even political, earlier this month, and those posts are not yet filled.
My thought is that the air traffic around DCA needs to be scaled back. It’s a restricted zone to begin with. Pilots I have talked to suggested that this is always a potential just based on the sheer numbers of planes going through.
Congress, I’m told, requested another five slots for airplane landing last year, as Congress prefers that airport over IAD or BWI. If we’re going to politicize it, perhaps look at them first.
Or just cut down the number of landings and move on without the political bullshit.
I forgot what it was like having that asshole in charge
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:42 pm
by Weyoun
By the way, the lack of an FAA administrator almost certainly has to do with the fact that the prior person, butted heads with Elon Musk.
But having absolutely nobody on the Aviation Safety Committee is weird and inexcusable
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:53 pm
by flockofseagulls104
If not, it is probably a contributing factor.
As Hegseth said truthfully, and we need to understand it:
Our diversity is not our strength. Our unity and our shared purpose is our strength.
Diversity is a good thing, but it should take a back seat to competence and merit. Sorry, but a colorblind society is our goal. Racism cannot be cured by more racism.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:29 pm
by Weyoun
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:53 pm
If not, it is probably a contributing factor.
How so? I mean, that’s a pretty extraordinary thing to say.
I think, at a minimum, anyone who is not an ass-faced moron or a complete dickhead with an agenda would at least wait for all the evidence to come out before blaming anything
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:38 pm
by flockofseagulls104
Weyoun wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:29 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:53 pm
If not, it is probably a contributing factor.
How so? I mean, that’s a pretty extraordinary thing to say.
I think, at a minimum, anyone who is not an ass-faced moron or a complete dickhead with an agenda would at least wait for all the evidence to come out before blaming anything
Oh, yeah? Do you know it's not a contributing factor?
I wish he would have waited a little, but it is important that this mantra that diversity is more important than competence and the lowering of standards for important positions has to be stopped.
And it is interesting that the same entities that don't wait one minute after any publicized shooting to call for gun bans are outraged about this. Are all those people ass-faced morons, too? (I think they are, but it would be interesting for you to say so.)
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:03 pm
by jarnon
Trump's missing the point on DEI and meritocracy, experts say
You can argue that the ‘experts” are wrong, and DEI sacrifices meritocracy to reward pro-Democrat minorities, but the justification for DEI is that it widens the pool of job candidates and discovers very qualified candidates who would have been overlooked.
As for lowering standards, do you really think Hegseth, Patel and Kennedy are the best and brightest?
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:32 pm
by Beebs52
jarnon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:03 pm
Trump's missing the point on DEI and meritocracy, experts say
You can argue that the ‘experts” are wrong, and DEI sacrifices meritocracy to reward pro-Democrat minorities,
but the justification for DEI is that it widens the pool of job candidates and discovers very qualified candidates who would have been overlooked.
According to whom? I think peeps with half a brain and a modicum of common sense and professional background will pick qualified candidates. I know I said common sense, not repeating Trump.
As for lowering standards, do you really think Hegseth, Patel and Kennedy are the best and brightest?
Hegseth, yes, Patel, yes, Kennedy, meh.
Jarnon, I thought you were more measured, oh well.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:36 pm
by tlynn78
Weyoun wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:29 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:53 pm
If not, it is probably a contributing factor.
How so? I mean, that’s a pretty extraordinary thing to say.
I think, at a minimum, anyone who is not an ass-faced moron or a complete dickhead with an agenda would at least wait for all the evidence to come out before blaming anything
I guess that explains why you're blaming the not quite 2 week old administration? That's on brand.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:58 pm
by flockofseagulls104
jarnon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:03 pm
Trump's missing the point on DEI and meritocracy, experts say
You can argue that the ‘experts” are wrong, and DEI sacrifices meritocracy to reward pro-Democrat minorities, but the justification for DEI is that it widens the pool of job candidates and discovers very qualified candidates who would have been overlooked.
As for lowering standards, do you really think Hegseth, Patel and Kennedy are the best and brightest?
How does EDI widen the pool of candidates? In practice it narrows it. Like when Biden decided he had to nominate a black woman to the SC? Like Kamala was chosen to be VP because of her race and sex? These people were in the candidate pool, but jumped to the top because of their 'diversity'. Now convince me they were the best choices for the country.
I think all 3 of them, Hegseth, Patel and Kennedy, are the best choices for the position they were nominated for. I think they are all experienced and well-suited to implement the agenda that Trump was elected to carry out. I am excited about them because I fully support Trump's agenda. You don't, but elections have consequences. They did for the past 4 years, and they will for the next 4 years. You will just have to go with it, like we did. And that is the reason we have to fix our election system.
Now tell me how all the appointments that Biden made were the best and brightest.....
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:05 pm
by flockofseagulls104
Here's this.
And this.
And this.
If this stuff is true, and it looks like it is, there's a lot of work to do to clean it up.
But you can go with the shallow argument. It sounds good.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:13 pm
by Beebs52
Apparently, systen malfunction, aka, fuckups, contributed to this. For whatever reason...
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:59 pm
by Weyoun
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:36 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:29 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:53 pm
If not, it is probably a contributing factor.
How so? I mean, that’s a pretty extraordinary thing to say.
I think, at a minimum, anyone who is not an ass-faced moron or a complete dickhead with an agenda would at least wait for all the evidence to come out before blaming anything
I guess that explains why you're blaming the not quite 2 week old administration? That's on brand.
There’s a difference between blaming someone and suggesting that it’s incredibly ill advised to have no one in charge in case there was a disaster.
I don’t think Trump could’ve done anything to cause or stop this disaster, though long-term, trying to lay everyone off is a bad look when we are already understaffed with ATC.
But in the meantime, having no one in the position to deal with the disaster is extremely poor planning.
That’s a certainly blame worthy for a different reason.
Always happy to help walk you through these things.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:00 pm
by Weyoun
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:38 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:29 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:53 pm
If not, it is probably a contributing factor.
How so? I mean, that’s a pretty extraordinary thing to say.
I think, at a minimum, anyone who is not an ass-faced moron or a complete dickhead with an agenda would at least wait for all the evidence to come out before blaming anything
Oh, yeah? Do you know it's not a contributing factor?
I wish he would have waited a little, but it is important that this mantra that diversity is more important than competence and the lowering of standards for important positions has to be stopped.
And it is interesting that the same entities that don't wait one minute after any publicized shooting to call for gun bans are outraged about this. Are all those people ass-faced morons, too? (I think they are, but it would be interesting for you to say so.)
You and Trump are basically saying, “this happened because some non white was somehow involved at some point.” I expect Spock to gasm with fury over your remarks.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:25 pm
by Beebs52
You and Trump are basically saying, “this happened because some non white was somehow involved at some point.” I expect Spock to gasm with fury over your remarks.
Not enough medical emergencies this evening? Can't wait for your ick descriptions of peeps here.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:28 pm
by tlynn78
Weyoun wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:59 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:36 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:29 pm
How so? I mean, that’s a pretty extraordinary thing to say.
I think, at a minimum, anyone who is not an ass-faced moron or a complete dickhead with an agenda would at least wait for all the evidence to come out before blaming anything
I guess that explains why you're blaming the not quite 2 week old administration? That's on brand.
There’s a difference between blaming someone and suggesting that it’s incredibly ill advised to have no one in charge in case there was a disaster.
I don’t think Trump could’ve done anything to cause or stop this disaster, though long-term, trying to lay everyone off is a bad look when we are already understaffed with ATC.
But in the meantime, having no one in the position to deal with the disaster is extremely poor planning.
That’s a certainly blame worthy for a different reason.
Always happy to help walk you through these things.
So - no one is in position to deal with the disaster? You should probably pace yourself - you're in for a very long four years..
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:44 pm
by flockofseagulls104
When diversity is the priority.
Put the best person, whoever it is, in the position they are best suited for. Diversity will take care of itself. EDI is racism. It must go.
That is all.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 11:54 pm
by Weyoun
It’s interesting, since I know somebody who for many years was an air traffic controller. I also know a couple of pilots.
They don’t seem to think diversity played any role.
The consensus at this point appears to be that the helicopter was slightly out of position. It was certainly above its normal operating height, by about double where it typically flies. It also seems to have been on the wrong side of the river given its usual course. ATC asked if there was visual confirmation of the incoming plane and the helicopter replied yes. They apparently were confused, but air traffic control can only do so much about that. At a certain point, air, traffic control, releases the pilot to fly visually.
This is all pending a formal review by the NTSB, of course.
We will see how much political manipulation goes into it. Truly, a test for the Trump administration. Do they try to cram through something that doesn’t fit the evidence to protect the Pentagon, or do they explain what actually happened?
Either way, flock can keep pointing out examples of diversity being bad here or there, but it doesn’t appear to have played any role in this crash, so it’s just inflammatory. Imagine if your loved one died and you had to deal with Trump saying all this stupid shit?
Well, I hate it for the country, I am going to get a little bit of satisfaction shoving this crap back in your faces over the next few years.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:10 am
by Weyoun
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va ... n-airport/
Seems very fair at this point to ask why is the military doing training exercise exercises in such a narrow corridor near such an important airport? Was there something about this training mission that could not wait until 2 AM, when there were a few aircrafts?
I’m starting to think the issue is not diversity, but a defense department that has spent the last ten days trying to scrub any evidence of Mark Milley being there, and passing measure after measure meant to inflict emotional distress on transgender soldiers.
I wish we had leadership that focused on real issues and soldier safety, and not this stupid political red meat. Because of Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth, 67 Americans are dead.
It’s just the start.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:51 am
by Spock
The Racist Weyoun says>>>"Well, I hate it for the country, I am going to get a little bit of satisfaction shoving this crap back in your faces over the next few years."<<<
Good for you, but you are not going to harsh our buzz. We are having too much fun.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:11 am
by Weyoun
Spock wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:51 am
The Racist Weyoun says>>>"Well, I hate it for the country, I am going to get a little bit of satisfaction shoving this crap back in your faces over the next few years."<<<
Good for you, but you are not going to harsh our buzz. We are having too much fun.
I’m sure the families of those 67 people who died are having a lot of fun right now. Gulf of America amirite.
And I’m not blaming Trump directly for the accident (I was using Trump’s own techniques against him above), though, again, the complete lack of leadership in that arm of government, when it was completely unnecessary to vacate that arm, is a little concerning.
No, I’m sympathetic to those families because this shithead man is talking about stupid stuff and inflaming everyone, when we should be mourning and investigating.
Do you know how you bitch about people politicizing gun violence? At least there, there seems to be an obvious political issue, the amount of guns, and people talk about it. And people talk about the manifestos that these wackos write. I think it is extremely fair to politicize gun violence.
This diversity crap is completely out of left field and has nothing to do with what happened, despite flock’s attempts to cram irrelevant tweets into that conversation. THAT is politicization of a tragedy that is worth complaining about.
You fucking bozo.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:06 pm
by Spock
The Racist Weyoun says>>>"I wish we had leadership that focused on real issues and soldier safety, "<<<<
You are a smart guy so I am sure you know this, but you can't just focus on soldier safety. Hell, if that is your focus just keep them confined to barracks and nobody will get hurt.
You have to work the trade-offs between soldier safety and necessary/realistic training and there will always be, and always have been, training accidents.
Most prominently, it seems, are the military aviation training accidents, of which there were several just during the Biden Administration.
We just don't hear about the infantryman who has a bad fall during training.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:24 pm
by flockofseagulls104
Weyoun wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:11 am
Spock wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:51 am
The Racist Weyoun says>>>"Well, I hate it for the country, I am going to get a little bit of satisfaction shoving this crap back in your faces over the next few years."<<<
Good for you, but you are not going to harsh our buzz. We are having too much fun.
I’m sure the families of those 67 people who died are having a lot of fun right now. Gulf of America amirite.
And I’m not blaming Trump directly for the accident (I was using Trump’s own techniques against him above), though, again, the complete lack of leadership in that arm of government, when it was completely unnecessary to vacate that arm, is a little concerning.
No, I’m sympathetic to those families because this shithead man is talking about stupid stuff and inflaming everyone, when we should be mourning and investigating.
Do you know how you bitch about people politicizing gun violence? At least there, there seems to be an obvious political issue, the amount of guns, and people talk about it. And people talk about the manifestos that these wackos write. I think it is extremely fair to politicize gun violence.
This diversity crap is completely out of left field and has nothing to do with what happened, despite flock’s attempts to cram irrelevant tweets into that conversation. THAT is politicization of a tragedy that is worth complaining about.
You fucking bozo.
Well, we are going to be talking about it and making sure the American public finally sees the truth about what your side has been doing for the past couple of decades. And we will be pointing out the deficiencies of these practices and listening to rational defenses of those practices and ignoring people whose arguments are puncutated with things like 'you fucking bozo'.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:26 pm
by Weyoun
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:24 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:11 am
Spock wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:51 am
The Racist Weyoun says>>>"Well, I hate it for the country, I am going to get a little bit of satisfaction shoving this crap back in your faces over the next few years."<<<
Good for you, but you are not going to harsh our buzz. We are having too much fun.
I’m sure the families of those 67 people who died are having a lot of fun right now. Gulf of America amirite.
And I’m not blaming Trump directly for the accident (I was using Trump’s own techniques against him above), though, again, the complete lack of leadership in that arm of government, when it was completely unnecessary to vacate that arm, is a little concerning.
No, I’m sympathetic to those families because this shithead man is talking about stupid stuff and inflaming everyone, when we should be mourning and investigating.
Do you know how you bitch about people politicizing gun violence? At least there, there seems to be an obvious political issue, the amount of guns, and people talk about it. And people talk about the manifestos that these wackos write. I think it is extremely fair to politicize gun violence.
This diversity crap is completely out of left field and has nothing to do with what happened, despite flock’s attempts to cram irrelevant tweets into that conversation. THAT is politicization of a tragedy that is worth complaining about.
You fucking bozo.
Well, we are going to be talking about it and making sure the American public finally sees the truth about what your side has been doing for the past couple of decades. And we will be pointing out the deficiencies of these practices and listening to rational defenses of those practices and ignoring people whose arguments are puncutated with things like 'you fucking bozo'.
Did you hear that Trump wanted to get rid of FEMA and make the states do disaster relief? Because cash strapped states with fear resources definitely would do a better job.
That’s the thing with Trump. Sometimes he’s right. I think FEMA needs to be better done. But the solution is to make it work better, not get rid of it.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:27 pm
by Weyoun
Spock wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:06 pm
The Racist Weyoun says>>>"I wish we had leadership that focused on real issues and soldier safety, "<<<<
You are a smart guy so I am sure you know this, but you can't just focus on soldier safety. Hell, if that is your focus just keep them confined to barracks and nobody will get hurt.
You have to work the trade-offs between soldier safety and necessary/realistic training and there will always be, and always have been, training accidents.
Most prominently, it seems, are the military aviation training accidents, of which there were several just during the Biden Administration.
We just don't hear about the infantryman who has a bad fall during training.
Well, they’ve suspended those flights for the time being.
My hunch is, they can find a way to accomplish those training missions not next to a major airport.
Re: Apparently, diversity caused the plane crash
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 6:07 am
by earendel
Weyoun wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:27 pm
My hunch is, they can find a way to accomplish those training missions not next to a major airport.
It's my understanding that this particular training flight was in support of command continuity - how to get important people out of D.C. in an emergency. If that's the case, then there is no way to do those missions anywhere else.