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We need more people like her. Good will prevail. Jesus will prevail.

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:37 am

We need more people like her. Good will prevail. Jesus will prevail.

Read Romans 1.

I agree in general with her sentiments. She was, however, way out of line with her insinuations in the setting she was in.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:52 pm

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:37 am

We need more people like her. Good will prevail. Jesus will prevail.

Read Romans 1.

I agree in general with her sentiments. She was, however, way out of line with her insinuations in the setting she was in.

He’s the fucking president. If he can’t handle criticism from a bishop, maybe he can deport her. Of course, we can’t deport people who were born here. Or can we?

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:57 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:52 pm

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:37 am

We need more people like her. Good will prevail. Jesus will prevail.

Read Romans 1.

I agree in general with her sentiments. She was, however, way out of line with her insinuations in the setting she was in.

He’s the fucking president. If he can’t handle criticism from a bishop, maybe he can deport her. Of course, we can’t deport people who were born here. Or can we?

Do you lecture your patients about their political beliefs in the emergency room? It wouldn't surprise me if you do. But it would be just as inappropriate as what she did. And just as ignorant.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:42 pm

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:57 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:52 pm

Read Romans 1.

I agree in general with her sentiments. She was, however, way out of line with her insinuations in the setting she was in.

He’s the fucking president. If he can’t handle criticism from a bishop, maybe he can deport her. Of course, we can’t deport people who were born here. Or can we?

Do you lecture your patients about their political beliefs in the emergency room? It wouldn't surprise me if you do. But it would be just as inappropriate as what she did. And just as ignorant.

Plus, we're not bound by Episcopalian creeds. There's that, Dr whateverbeliefyouhave..

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:42 pm

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:57 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:52 pm

Read Romans 1.

I agree in general with her sentiments. She was, however, way out of line with her insinuations in the setting she was in.

He’s the fucking president. If he can’t handle criticism from a bishop, maybe he can deport her. Of course, we can’t deport people who were born here. Or can we?

Do you lecture your patients about their political beliefs in the emergency room? It wouldn't surprise me if you do. But it would be just as inappropriate as what she did. And just as ignorant.

Am I making public policy? Was I elected to represent citizens? Stop saying stupid things.

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:59 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:42 pm

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:57 pm

He’s the fucking president. If he can’t handle criticism from a bishop, maybe he can deport her. Of course, we can’t deport people who were born here. Or can we?

Do you lecture your patients about their political beliefs in the emergency room? It wouldn't surprise me if you do. But it would be just as inappropriate as what she did. And just as ignorant.

Plus, we're not bound by Episcopalian creeds. There's that, Dr whateverbeliefyouhave..

No, but the guy said the day before that God saved his life so he could save the country, so he invited the correction.

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:18 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:59 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:42 pm

Do you lecture your patients about their political beliefs in the emergency room? It wouldn't surprise me if you do. But it would be just as inappropriate as what she did. And just as ignorant.

Plus, we're not bound by Episcopalian creeds. There's that, Dr whateverbeliefyouhave..

No, but the guy said the day before that God saved his life so he could save the country, so he invited the correction.

Invited the correction?

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:22 pm

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:18 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:59 pm

Plus, we're not bound by Episcopalian creeds. There's that, Dr whateverbeliefyouhave..

No, but the guy said the day before that God saved his life so he could save the country, so he invited the correction.

Invited the correction?

I am not asking snarkily. Don't understand your statement.

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:59 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:42 pm

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:57 pm

He’s the fucking president. If he can’t handle criticism from a bishop, maybe he can deport her. Of course, we can’t deport people who were born here. Or can we?

Do you lecture your patients about their political beliefs in the emergency room? It wouldn't surprise me if you do. But it would be just as inappropriate as what she did. And just as ignorant.

Plus, we're not bound by Episcopalian creeds. There's that, Dr whateverbeliefyouhave..

Nor are we bound by white liberals' need to keep their cheap veggies pickers on the plantation.

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:11 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:59 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:42 pm

Do you lecture your patients about their political beliefs in the emergency room? It wouldn't surprise me if you do. But it would be just as inappropriate as what she did. And just as ignorant.

Plus, we're not bound by Episcopalian creeds. There's that, Dr whateverbeliefyouhave..

Nor are we bound by white liberals' need to keep their cheap veggies pickers on the plantation.

I actually think it is farmers (who universally voted for Trump) that might answer that question better. Oh Spock?

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:11 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:59 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:42 pm

Do you lecture your patients about their political beliefs in the emergency room? It wouldn't surprise me if you do. But it would be just as inappropriate as what she did. And just as ignorant.

Plus, we're not bound by Episcopalian creeds. There's that, Dr whateverbeliefyouhave..

Nor are we bound by white liberals' need to keep their cheap veggies pickers on the plantation.

By the way, it’s hilarious that you think you are doing some Salvadoran a favor by taking their job away and sending them back to El Salvador.

Oh wait, you don’t care, you just don’t like their illegal status. You spent four years bitching about inflation and now you want to drive up prices and kill supply. Wink. Sure.

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:35 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:22 pm

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:18 pm

No, but the guy said the day before that God saved his life so he could save the country, so he invited the correction.

Invited the correction?

I am not asking snarkily. Don't understand your statement.

The guy invokes God, but never really seems to follow God’s commandments.

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:51 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:35 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:22 pm

Invited the correction?

I am not asking snarkily. Don't understand your statement.

The guy invokes God, but never really seems to follow God’s commandments.

You seem to go all over the place in trying to justify your hypocrisy. You wanna go here? OK.
Neither did David. But God chose him, nevertheless.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:12 am

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:51 pm

The guy invokes God, but never really seems to follow God’s commandments.

You seem to go all over the place in trying to justify your hypocrisy. You wanna go here? OK.
Neither did David. But God chose him, nevertheless.

The Bishop Buddes of the time were quick to criticise the chosen one when he strayed from God’s path. Read II Samuel 12 for instance.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:12 am

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:51 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:35 pm

I am not asking snarkily. Don't understand your statement.

The guy invokes God, but never really seems to follow God’s commandments.

You seem to go all over the place in trying to justify your hypocrisy. You wanna go here? OK.
Neither did David. But God chose him, nevertheless.

Did David crow about it while deporting folks?

No wonder you guys love Trump. You think we’re in the Old Testament.

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:12 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:12 am

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:51 pm

The guy invokes God, but never really seems to follow God’s commandments.

You seem to go all over the place in trying to justify your hypocrisy. You wanna go here? OK.
Neither did David. But God chose him, nevertheless.

Did David crow about it while deporting folks?

No wonder you guys love Trump. You think we’re in the Old Testament.

Why ask a question, re Biblical actions, framed within current events' actions, that doesn't remotely connect to your following disjointed conclusion.

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:51 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:35 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:22 pm

Invited the correction?

I am not asking snarkily. Don't understand your statement.

The guy invokes God, but never really seems to follow God’s commandments.

There is a saying that "God doesn't call the qualified; he qualifies the called."

This was The 47th President's response to the service on Truth Social:
The so-called Bishop who spoke at the National Prayer Service on Tuesday morning was a Radical Left hard line Trump hater. She brought her church into the World of politics in a very ungracious way. She was nasty in tone, and not compelling or smart. She failed to mention the large number of illegal migrants that came into our Country and killed people. Many were deposited from jails and mental institutions,” It is a giant crime wave that is taking place in the USA. Apart from her inappropriate statements, the service was a very boring and uninspiring one. She is not very good at her job! She and her church owe the public an apology!

This is the response by the Episcopal diocese:

President Trump,
1. Much like those who do not want you to be president, you do not get to decide whether a bishop’s office is legitimate. She was chosen by the people of her diocese to be their bishop. Then, she was granted consent to be a bishop by other bishops and standing committees of our church’s dioceses. Beginning by calling her a “so-called” bishop is an obvious low blow to discredit her as a person, rather than what she actually said that you disagree with. The Episcopal Church was legitimate enough to hold your third wedding, the funeral of Melania’s mother, and the baptism of your son, Barron. Barron also attended an Episcopal day school. Now you have an issue with how we do things when it doesn’t go your way?
2. You didn’t have an issue with politics being brought into the church by the ministers who spoke at your inauguration, or by yourself for that matter. They were blatantly partisan, crediting God for your political success: “Mr. President, the last four years there were times I'm sure you thought it was pretty dark, but look what God has done," Graham said.
3. She wasn’t nasty in tone, plain and simple. I can’t remember ever hearing a homily given in such a gracious manner and calm tone. If you disagree, listen to her speak. You may disagree with what she said, but her tone was in no way “nasty.” Additionally, insulting her intelligence, rather than quoting what you disagreed with, is a very typical play coming from a narcissist.
4. The vast majority of people who have committed crimes in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. Defending yourself about being asked to have mercy on immigrants by saying a “large number of illegal migrants came into our country and killed people” is a gross misrepresentation and does not make sense. By that logic, we should be locking up or deporting all Americans because the majority of crimes were committed by citizens. We do need to improve our immigration system, but scripture commands us as Christians to have mercy. Mercy is a central tenet of our faith. Matthew 5:7 says “Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Leviticus 19: 33-34 says, “When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.” If you have a take issue with this, take it up with God.
5. Saying the service was boring and uninspiring is a move to discredit the event, rather than what specifically was said. However, it’s worth mentioning that the purpose of a service is not to be “exciting”. There are several purposes for our services, such as honoring God, bringing us closer to God, and being in community with one another. Being “exciting” is not one of them. As far as inspiration goes, that is in the eye of the beholder. You get as much out of it as you put into it.
6. The Bishop does not owe you an apology. Our church does not owe you an apology. All you were asked to do is what scripture directly asks us to do. If you could quote one thing she asked of you that isn’t asked of us in scripture, we would apologize. Someone recently reminded me of something I often heard growing up in church. If you are offended by a minister’s sermon or feel that it was a personal attack, look to see if you can find anything they said that was out of line with scripture and the teachings of Jesus. If you can’t, that feeling is what we call, “being convicted of your sin”. The fact you are so offended by what was said shows you know there is truth in it. To your supporters who also feel offended by it, the same goes.

I would love to see what Budde has to say about Lutheran beliefs.
Because, of course, they aren't mainstream.

What exactly was Budde referring to other than leftist misinterpretations and propaganda?

What are 'transgenders' or 'LBGTQ's afraid of? Did Trump say he was going to do something to them that I missed? What kind of 'mercy' should he have on them? Let them redefine the sexes for the whole society in contradiction of thousands of years of experience and scientific knowledge because of their feelings? What about the feelings of everyone else who they are imposing their gender confusion on? What needs mercy?

What kind of mercy should he have on illegal aliens who broke the laws that weren't being enforced in the last administration? Is mercy equivalent to ignoring the law now? They knew that they were breaking the law when they decided to cross the border. There are reasons that these laws were created and there are consequences for breaking the law, and now the consequences are being enforced. Finally.

Her speech was not in any way religious. It was leftist dogma. And the diocese seems to be more interested in politics than God as well. It would have been nice if they prayed for President Trump and asked God to guide him and left it at that. Or do they specifically know what God's will is? That might have been a bit more appropriate.

Flock, beautifully said.

She is a heretic. But yes, Jesus and good will prevail. 2 out 3 ain’t bad.

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:27 pm

She is a heretic. But yes, Jesus and good will prevail. 2 out 3 ain’t bad.

I'm trying to imagine a less Christian president, and a less Christian policy, than what we currently have.

Not coming up with anything.

I'm gonna go back and read the book of Matthew again, and see if I come up with anything.

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:27 pm

She is a heretic. But yes, Jesus and good will prevail. 2 out 3 ain’t bad.

In what way is she a heretic? (I am assuming you are talking about Bishop Budde)