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It's an issue. I believe there are situations, medical, for various reasons, that ok it. I don't believe it's ok for random elective reasons. This is one site with statistics. You can check Guttmacher and Pew, which are not pro life sorts. They just report demographics of reasons.

"In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209 post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents who chose it.

Percentage Reason
<0.5% Victim of rape
3% Fetal health problems
4% Physical health problems
4% Would interfere with education or career
7% Not mature enough to raise a child
8% Don’t want to be a single mother
19% Done having children
23% Can’t afford a baby
25% Not ready for a child
6% Other"

Can't find more recent Guttmacher or Pew stats.

My point is that elective convenience is a main reason.

A similar analogy would be "Are you ok with euthenasia for early stage dementia?"

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 20, 2024 4:38 pm

It's an issue. I believe there are situations, medical, for various reasons, that ok it. I don't believe it's ok for random elective reasons. This is one site with statistics. You can check Guttmacher and Pew, which are not pro life sorts. They just report demographics of reasons.

"In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209 post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents who chose it.

Percentage Reason
<0.5% Victim of rape
3% Fetal health problems
4% Physical health problems
4% Would interfere with education or career
7% Not mature enough to raise a child
8% Don’t want to be a single mother
19% Done having children
23% Can’t afford a baby
25% Not ready for a child
6% Other"

Can't find more recent Guttmacher or Pew stats.

My point is that elective convenience is a main reason.

I only see one reason, “would interfere with education or career” that would qualify (IMO) as elective convenience.

But why is your point more valid than the pregnant woman’s point as to her decision? Unless the woman is a close family member, her reproduction, or choice not to reproduce, would not impact you in any way,

a1mamacat wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 20, 2024 5:57 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 20, 2024 4:38 pm

It's an issue. I believe there are situations, medical, for various reasons, that ok it. I don't believe it's ok for random elective reasons. This is one site with statistics. You can check Guttmacher and Pew, which are not pro life sorts. They just report demographics of reasons.

"In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209 post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents who chose it.

Percentage Reason
<0.5% Victim of rape
3% Fetal health problems
4% Physical health problems
4% Would interfere with education or career
7% Not mature enough to raise a child
8% Don’t want to be a single mother
19% Done having children
23% Can’t afford a baby
25% Not ready for a child
6% Other"

Can't find more recent Guttmacher or Pew stats.

My point is that elective convenience is a main reason.

I only see one reason, “would interfere with education or career” that would qualify (IMO) as elective convenience.

But why is your point more valid than the pregnant woman’s point as to her decision? Unless the woman is a close family member, her reproduction, or choice not to reproduce, would not impact you in any way,

Because of just blowing away a body? I gave my reasons for why I'm ok with it in certain situations.

Again, it's he who prevails, prevails.
Pulling the plug on a failing family member who isn't necessarily close to death doesn't impact me either. I can still not agree with it.

So. Didn't ever think I'd share this, but

Back in 1972/73, I was engaged to an asshole. Not J...
We had sex, condom broke.
Went to the University docs and got whatever the morning after pill was.
I don't know if it simply prevented implantation or how it worked. All I know is I went on birth control thereafter...

And kicked him to the curb six months later. Not because of that, just because he was an idiot and apparently I had been too.

I never understood why peeps don't use birth control.

Also a good friend had an abortion during those years and regretted it mightily.

a1mamacat wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 20, 2024 5:57 pm

I only see one reason, “would interfere with education or career” that would qualify (IMO) as elective convenience.

Well, read past that line. Then you’ll see the other five.

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:35 pm

So. Didn't ever think I'd share this, but

Back in 1972/73, I was engaged to an asshole. Not J...
We had sex, condom broke.
Went to the University docs and got whatever the morning after pill was.
I don't know if it simply prevented implantation or how it worked. All I know is I went on birth control thereafter...

And kicked him to the curb six months later. Not because of that, just because he was an idiot and apparently I had been too.

I never understood why peeps don't use birth control.

Also a good friend had an abortion during those years and regretted it mightily.

And you had the CHOICE to get that medicine, and to get birth control

Why does the Maga crowd want to even take that away?

And how did your friends choice impact you?


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a1mamacat wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:17 pm

And how did your friends choice impact you?

How did the death of Jocelyn Nungaray impact you?

a1mamacat wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:17 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:35 pm

So. Didn't ever think I'd share this, but

Back in 1972/73, I was engaged to an asshole. Not J...
We had sex, condom broke.
Went to the University docs and got whatever the morning after pill was.
I don't know if it simply prevented implantation or how it worked. All I know is I went on birth control thereafter...

And kicked him to the curb six months later. Not because of that, just because he was an idiot and apparently I had been too.

I never understood why peeps don't use birth control.

Also a good friend had an abortion during those years and regretted it mightily.

And you had the CHOICE to get that medicine, and to get birth control

Why does the Maga crowd want to even take that away?

And how did your friends choice impact you?


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I don't think the "Maga" crowd wants to take it away. It would be stupid.
My friend's choice was made known to me years later. I felt bad for her.

a1mamacat wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:17 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:35 pm

So. Didn't ever think I'd share this, but

Back in 1972/73, I was engaged to an asshole. Not J...
We had sex, condom broke.
Went to the University docs and got whatever the morning after pill was.
I don't know if it simply prevented implantation or how it worked. All I know is I went on birth control thereafter...

And kicked him to the curb six months later. Not because of that, just because he was an idiot and apparently I had been too.

I never understood why peeps don't use birth control.

Also a good friend had an abortion during those years and regretted it mightily.

And you had the CHOICE to get that medicine, and to get birth control

Why does the Maga crowd want to even take that away?

And how did your friends choice impact you?


If

Everything you think you 'know' about 'the maga crowd' is a lie, saucy. Why don't you make a conscious note of that and start evaluating things for yourself?

Beebs, you made a decision, your friend made a decision, I made a decision. We had that option.

I have always thought the abortion conversation would be different if we distinguished between elective and medically-necessary procedures ... except that it is still not anyone else's business, so maybe not.

There are a lot of people who would say they would never get an abortion, but that they want the procedure to be safe and legal for those who do. Two things can be true at the same time.

I do agree it is dicey about whether taxpayers should be paying for it, except, again, are folks willing to pay for babies when the parents are not able to take care of them financially? Not really, as they are not willing to pay for child care and school lunches for lower-income folks, so, I guess not.

Until we have reliable birth control that is available to everyone and a populace that is well-educated on birth control, this is where we are.

Abortions decline every year in the US as education improves and more birth control methods become available.

My conclusion: Emphasizing education on birth control is a more effective path than legislation.