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Harris past proposals
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2024 3:49 pm
by Beebs52
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2024 5:50 pm
by earendel
You realize that the article was written in 2019, when she was running against a number of other Democrats. Granted, she hasn't disavowed it as yet, and may not, but until she makes a statement one way or the other, I'll withhold my opinion.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:35 pm
by Beebs52
earendel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 5:50 pm
You realize that the article was written in 2019, when she was running against a number of other Democrats. Granted, she hasn't disavowed it as yet, and may not, but until she makes a statement one way or the other, I'll withhold my opinion.
Of course I realize that. Just curious if she carries through with it. You, and I mean, y'all, with due respect to you, peeps who think us "right leaning" folks don't understand timelines. Yes, it was 2019. Many other things are dredged up for all candidates.
Please. So annoying.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:04 pm
by BackInTex
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:35 pm
earendel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 5:50 pm
You realize that the article was written in 2019, when she was running against a number of other Democrats. Granted, she hasn't disavowed it as yet, and may not, but until she makes a statement one way or the other, I'll withhold my opinion.
Of course I realize that. Just curious if she carries through with it. You, and I mean, y'all, with due respect to you, peeps who think us "right leaning" folks don't understand timelines. Yes, it was 2019. Many other things are dredged up for all candidates.
Please. So annoying.
If only 2019 was the back limit for things the bring up on Trump.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:25 am
by earendel
BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:04 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:35 pm
earendel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 5:50 pm
You realize that the article was written in 2019, when she was running against a number of other Democrats. Granted, she hasn't disavowed it as yet, and may not, but until she makes a statement one way or the other, I'll withhold my opinion.
Of course I realize that. Just curious if she carries through with it. You, and I mean, y'all, with due respect to you, peeps who think us "right leaning" folks don't understand timelines. Yes, it was 2019. Many other things are dredged up for all candidates.
Please. So annoying.
If only 2019 was the back limit for things the bring up on Trump.
In fairness, Trump began his campaign in 2016, so anything after that should be fair game.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:26 am
by BackInTex
earendel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:25 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:04 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:35 pm
Of course I realize that. Just curious if she carries through with it. You, and I mean, y'all, with due respect to you, peeps who think us "right leaning" folks don't understand timelines. Yes, it was 2019. Many other things are dredged up for all candidates.
Please. So annoying.
If only 2019 was the back limit for things the bring up on Trump.
In fairness, Trump began his campaign in 2016, so anything after that should be fair game.
Harris didn’t express opinions in 2017? Wasn’t involved in politics? Who she is didn’t start on 2019.
Who she’s told to be started a month or so ago, though.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:51 am
by earendel
BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:26 am
earendel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:25 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:04 pm
If only 2019 was the back limit for things the bring up on Trump.
In fairness, Trump began his campaign in 2016, so anything after that should be fair game.
Harris didn’t express opinions in 2017? Wasn’t involved in politics? Who she is didn’t start on 2019.
Who she’s told to be started a month or so ago, though.
Of course she did - she ran for attorney general in California, and later for the Senate, so I'm sure there's a lot that could be dug up.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:54 am
by flockofseagulls104
earendel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:51 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:26 am
earendel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:25 am
In fairness, Trump began his campaign in 2016, so anything after that should be fair game.
Harris didn’t express opinions in 2017? Wasn’t involved in politics? Who she is didn’t start on 2019.
Who she’s told to be started a month or so ago, though.
Of course she did - she ran for attorney general in California, and later for the Senate, so I'm sure there's a lot that could be dug up.
Well, dig some up, ear. And compare it to what the media conglomerate is telling you now.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:10 am
by earendel
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:54 am
earendel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:51 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:26 am
Harris didn’t express opinions in 2017? Wasn’t involved in politics? Who she is didn’t start on 2019.
Who she’s told to be started a month or so ago, though.
Of course she did - she ran for attorney general in California, and later for the Senate, so I'm sure there's a lot that could be dug up.
Well, dig some up, ear. And compare it to what the media conglomerate is telling you now.
I'm sure FOX and company will do that for me. And that's fair - her past should be examined.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:14 am
by flockofseagulls104
earendel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:10 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:54 am
earendel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:51 am
Of course she did - she ran for attorney general in California, and later for the Senate, so I'm sure there's a lot that could be dug up.
Well, dig some up, ear. And compare it to what the media conglomerate is telling you now.
I'm sure FOX and company will do that for me. And that's fair - her past should be examined.
Dig it up for yourself.
Here's one to start your collection. Yes, they are. Another democrat who will ignore and skirt the law for their own benefit. I guess she did take care of the border based on her own interpretation of the law. C'mon in! You are not breaking the law!
(I guess if you point your finger enough when you utter a statement, it makes the statement true.)
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:52 am
by earendel
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:14 am
earendel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:10 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:54 am
Well, dig some up, ear. And compare it to what the media conglomerate is telling you now.
I'm sure FOX and company will do that for me. And that's fair - her past should be examined.
Dig it up for yourself.
Here's one to start your collection. Yes, they are. Another democrat who will ignore and skirt the law for their own benefit. I guess she did take care of the border based on her own interpretation of the law. C'mon in! You are not breaking the law!
(I guess if you point your finger enough when you utter a statement, it makes the statement true.)
Harris was never a "border czar" as the right-wing media have tried to portray her. She was tasked by Biden with going to countries from which immigrants were coming and seeking ways to improve conditions in order to slow or stop migration.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:59 am
by BackInTex
earendel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:52 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:14 am
earendel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:10 am
I'm sure FOX and company will do that for me. And that's fair - her past should be examined.
Dig it up for yourself.
Here's one to start your collection. Yes, they are. Another democrat who will ignore and skirt the law for their own benefit. I guess she did take care of the border based on her own interpretation of the law. C'mon in! You are not breaking the law!
(I guess if you point your finger enough when you utter a statement, it makes the statement true.)
Harris was never a "border czar" as the right-wing media have tried to portray her. She was tasked by Biden with going to countries from which immigrants were coming and seeking ways to improve conditions in order to slow or stop migration.
That was part of her role, yes, but it was explained in a broader sense back when.
But even IF this were all she was tasked to do, it show the complete ineptnes of Biden and her in how to resolve problems. In essense we are handing out entry into the US, benefits, citizenship for offspring, and everything else and they think the problem can be resolved by improving conditions in the home countries? If it would have any impact it would only slow the flow and productive people.
Put simply, you're offering people $1,000s to come here illegally and you go to their home country to see it they might offer their folks $10 to stay.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:04 am
by flockofseagulls104
earendel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:52 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:14 am
earendel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:10 am
I'm sure FOX and company will do that for me. And that's fair - her past should be examined.
Dig it up for yourself.
Here's one to start your collection. Yes, they are. Another democrat who will ignore and skirt the law for their own benefit. I guess she did take care of the border based on her own interpretation of the law. C'mon in! You are not breaking the law!
(I guess if you point your finger enough when you utter a statement, it makes the statement true.)
Harris was never a "border czar" as the right-wing media have tried to portray her. She was tasked by Biden with going to countries from which immigrants were coming and seeking ways to improve conditions in order to slow or stop migration.
Yes, she was, ear. No rewriting history, please. That's 1984. That's what communist countries do. Don't tell me that she wasn't appointed to fix the border problem. I remember.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:01 pm
by earendel
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:04 am
earendel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:52 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:14 am
Dig it up for yourself.
Here's one to start your collection. Yes, they are. Another democrat who will ignore and skirt the law for their own benefit. I guess she did take care of the border based on her own interpretation of the law. C'mon in! You are not breaking the law!
(I guess if you point your finger enough when you utter a statement, it makes the statement true.)
Harris was never a "border czar" as the right-wing media have tried to portray her. She was tasked by Biden with going to countries from which immigrants were coming and seeking ways to improve conditions in order to slow or stop migration.
Yes, she was, ear. No rewriting history, please. That's 1984. That's what communist countries do. Don't tell me that she wasn't appointed to fix the border problem. I remember.
No, she wasn't, flock. The right-wing media coined that phrase, but she was never given the authority that such a title implies by the administration.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:03 pm
by earendel
BackInTex wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:59 am
earendel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:52 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:14 am
Dig it up for yourself.
Here's one to start your collection. Yes, they are. Another democrat who will ignore and skirt the law for their own benefit. I guess she did take care of the border based on her own interpretation of the law. C'mon in! You are not breaking the law!
(I guess if you point your finger enough when you utter a statement, it makes the statement true.)
Harris was never a "border czar" as the right-wing media have tried to portray her. She was tasked by Biden with going to countries from which immigrants were coming and seeking ways to improve conditions in order to slow or stop migration.
That was part of her role, yes, but it was explained in a broader sense back when.
But even IF this were all she was tasked to do, it show the complete ineptnes of Biden and her in how to resolve problems. In essense we are handing out entry into the US, benefits, citizenship for offspring, and everything else and they think the problem can be resolved by improving conditions in the home countries? If it would have any impact it would only slow the flow and productive people.
Put simply, you're offering people $1,000s to come here illegally and you go to their home country to see it they might offer their folks $10 to stay.
Improving conditions in Central American countries would go a long way toward "slowing the flow" of immigrants. It can never be completely stopped, border wall or no border wall. Reducing crime and providing better jobs are never a bad idea.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:19 pm
by tlynn78
earendel wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:03 pm
BackInTex wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:59 am
earendel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:52 am
Harris was never a "border czar" as the right-wing media have tried to portray her. She was tasked by Biden with going to countries from which immigrants were coming and seeking ways to improve conditions in order to slow or stop migration.
That was part of her role, yes, but it was explained in a broader sense back when.
But even IF this were all she was tasked to do, it show the complete ineptnes of Biden and her in how to resolve problems. In essense we are handing out entry into the US, benefits, citizenship for offspring, and everything else and they think the problem can be resolved by improving conditions in the home countries? If it would have any impact it would only slow the flow and productive people.
Put simply, you're offering people $1,000s to come here illegally and you go to their home country to see it they might offer their folks $10 to stay.
Improving conditions in Central American countries would go a long way toward "slowing the flow" of immigrants. It can never be completely stopped, border wall or no border wall. Reducing crime and providing better jobs are never a bad idea.
A simple search will show you it wasn't a right wing media label Ear. C'mon man, why would "right wing media" give her an elevated title? Set that aside and pretend what you claim is 100% of the truth. How'd that work out?
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:13 pm
by jarnon
Washington Post, April 2021:
Republicans try to crown Harris the ‘border czar.’ She rejects the title.Harris’s mission, as directed by Biden, is to meet with heads of state and other officials to tackle the enduring problems, including poverty and violence, that spur people south of the U.S. border with Mexico to migrate to the United States. She is also being briefed by an array of experts on policies that affect the flow of migrants.
But administration officials, from the president down, have stressed that she is not responsible for dealing with the surge of migrants at the border, including the record number of unaccompanied minors.
That distinction might be lost on voters, however. And that may be what Republicans are counting on.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:27 pm
by Beebs52
Regardless of terminology her charter was pointless. How was she capable of changing ingrained poverty, crime, drug cartels, general malaise and all around crud?
Seriously.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:30 pm
by flockofseagulls104
jarnon wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:13 pm
Washington Post, April 2021:
Republicans try to crown Harris the ‘border czar.’ She rejects the title.Harris’s mission, as directed by Biden, is to meet with heads of state and other officials to tackle the enduring problems, including poverty and violence, that spur people south of the U.S. border with Mexico to migrate to the United States. She is also being briefed by an array of experts on policies that affect the flow of migrants.
But administration officials, from the president down, have stressed that she is not responsible for dealing with the surge of migrants at the border, including the record number of unaccompanied minors.
That distinction might be lost on voters, however. And that may be what Republicans are counting on.
Biden on March 24 made Harris the nation’s point person to address the root causes of the migration north. Officials said her main goal would be to slow the flow of migrants by working with countries to address the reasons their citizens leave home in the first place. Harris was directed to strengthen relationships with Mexico and the Northern Triangle countries — Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador — to stem the tide.
Did a marvelous job, whatever the job title was.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 2:01 pm
by earendel
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:19 pm
A simple search will show you it wasn't a right wing media label Ear. C'mon man, why would "right wing media" give her an elevated title? Set that aside and pretend what you claim is 100% of the truth. How'd that work out?
OK, I did a simple search. Almost every link indicates that it was Republicans who began calling her "border czar'. Why? In order to blame her for a situation over which she had no control.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 2:51 pm
by Beebs52
earendel wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 2:01 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:19 pm
A simple search will show you it wasn't a right wing media label Ear. C'mon man, why would "right wing media" give her an elevated title? Set that aside and pretend what you claim is 100% of the truth. How'd that work out?
OK, I did a simple search. Almost every link indicates that it was Republicans who began calling her "border czar'. Why? In order to blame her for a situation over which she had no control.
Ear, she was a point person on this critical subject. You know full well semantically czar, tsar, point person are the same. Help us all.
Re: Harris past proposals
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:03 pm
by jarnon
Again, Harris’s particular responsibility was limited to improving conditions in Central America to reduce incentives to migrate.
And there are signs that migration from the region is now slowing. The number of Guatemalans encountered at the southwestern border last month (11,485) was the second-lowest since November 2020. The number of Hondurans (8,896) was the lowest over the same period. Overall, the proportion of migrants encountered at the US border who are citizens of Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador has dropped from 49 percent (March 2021) to 18 percent (June 2024).
OTOH, Biden and Harris have plenty to answer for:
Because the ended “remain in Mexico” and the coronavirus emergency border restrictions with no workable strategy.