Who Is Currently Running the Country?

[Spock]

It is abundantly clear that it is not Biden, and don't tell me Harris because that would be laughable.

https://www.steynonline.com/14586/a-pattern-emerges

>>>"If that question is of no interest to the media or the majority of the American people, then what is the point of being breathless with excitement over a two-year presidential election campaign? Or even the truncated three-month express-check-in Kamala Harris version?"<<<

[BackInTex]

I'm not sure the left cares. As long as it's not Trump.

[earendel]

Comparing the number of days Biden was out of office with the number Trump was:
Biden 256
Trump 380 (roughly 1/4 of his total time in office)

Both presidents did official business while away from the White House, but Trump spent much of his time at resorts that he owned, thus improving his financial situation. He is quoted in Golf magazine as saying that the "White House is a real dump."

[flockofseagulls104]

Comparing the number of days Biden was out of office with the number Trump was:
Biden 256
Trump 380 (roughly 1/4 of his total time in office)

Both presidents did official business while away from the White House, but Trump spent much of his time at resorts that he owned, thus improving his financial situation. He is quoted in Golf magazine as saying that the "White House is a real dump."

Nice sidetrack. Has nothing to do with the main point. Trump was running the country. No one had any grounds at all to ask the question posed in this thread.

So if biden is not fit to run for the job anymore, who is running the country? Do you have an answer for the question?

[earendel]

Comparing the number of days Biden was out of office with the number Trump was:
Biden 256
Trump 380 (roughly 1/4 of his total time in office)

Both presidents did official business while away from the White House, but Trump spent much of his time at resorts that he owned, thus improving his financial situation. He is quoted in Golf magazine as saying that the "White House is a real dump."

Nice sidetrack. Has nothing to do with the main point. Trump was running the country. No one had any grounds at all to ask the question posed in this thread.

So if biden is not fit to run for the job anymore, who is running the country? Do you have an answer for the question?

I guess I misunderstood the question. I thought he was referring to vacation days. As to the point, it's the bureaucracy (or "the swamp", if you prefer), as it always is, no matter who is in office.

[Ritterskoop]

I've always thought that for domestic policy, our choices for Congress, and by extension, for state and local positions, are more important than who is at the top.

I grant that with foreign relationships, the executive boss can have more effect on how the US is perceived by other nations.

[flockofseagulls104]

Comparing the number of days Biden was out of office with the number Trump was:
Biden 256
Trump 380 (roughly 1/4 of his total time in office)

Both presidents did official business while away from the White House, but Trump spent much of his time at resorts that he owned, thus improving his financial situation. He is quoted in Golf magazine as saying that the "White House is a real dump."

Nice sidetrack. Has nothing to do with the main point. Trump was running the country. No one had any grounds at all to ask the question posed in this thread.

So if biden is not fit to run for the job anymore, who is running the country? Do you have an answer for the question?

I guess I misunderstood the question. I thought he was referring to vacation days. As to the point, it's the bureaucracy (or "the swamp", if you prefer), as it always is, no matter who is in office.

OK, so why are you so afraid of trump?

[flockofseagulls104]

I've always thought that for domestic policy, our choices for Congress, and by extension, for state and local positions, are more important than who is at the top.

I grant that with foreign relationships, the executive boss can have more effect on how the US is perceived by other nations.

OK, then why are you so afraid of trump, who's already done it? And successfully, judged by his record? Why vote for a phony that was picked in a back room with no input from the citizenry, who is beholden to the cabal who are unnamed and unelected, not to the people?

[earendel]

Nice sidetrack. Has nothing to do with the main point. Trump was running the country. No one had any grounds at all to ask the question posed in this thread.

So if biden is not fit to run for the job anymore, who is running the country? Do you have an answer for the question?

I guess I misunderstood the question. I thought he was referring to vacation days. As to the point, it's the bureaucracy (or "the swamp", if you prefer), as it always is, no matter who is in office.

OK, so why are you so afraid of trump?

Have I said I'm afraid of Trump?

[flockofseagulls104]

I guess I misunderstood the question. I thought he was referring to vacation days. As to the point, it's the bureaucracy (or "the swamp", if you prefer), as it always is, no matter who is in office.

OK, so why are you so afraid of trump?

Have I said I'm afraid of Trump?

If it doesn't matter, why do you bother posting negative shit about trump and not equal negative shit about his opponents? Why do you care what a RINO is? Why do you bother voting at all?

[earendel]

OK, so why are you so afraid of trump?

Have I said I'm afraid of Trump?

If it doesn't matter, why do you bother posting negative shit about trump and not equal negative shit about his opponents? Why do you care what a RINO is? Why do you bother voting at all?

I do not post negative stuff about Trump. I have commented on his morals (or lack thereof) when asked why I was considering voting for Harris. I asked about RINOs because I was curious - how people who toe the conservative line could be labeled RINOs (it appears that it's all based on one's own opinions). I vote, even when I know my candidate is going to lose because voting is a privilege of citizenship and I exercise it every chance I get.

[flockofseagulls104]

Have I said I'm afraid of Trump?

If it doesn't matter, why do you bother posting negative shit about trump and not equal negative shit about his opponents? Why do you care what a RINO is? Why do you bother voting at all?

I do not post negative stuff about Trump. I have commented on his morals (or lack thereof) when asked why I was considering voting for Harris. I asked about RINOs because I was curious - how people who toe the conservative line could be labeled RINOs (it appears that it's all based on one's own opinions). I vote, even when I know my candidate is going to lose because voting is a privilege of citizenship and I exercise it every chance I get.

Of course you post negative stuff about trump. Your whole flawed definition of a RINO is based on TDS, which you had in mind before you asked the question. And you stated your reasons for not voting for trump. Nothing there about policy. Why do you not go to the same depth on democrat candidates? Are they all as pure as the driven snow in your eyes? Maybe some introspection is in order?

[earendel]

If it doesn't matter, why do you bother posting negative shit about trump and not equal negative shit about his opponents? Why do you care what a RINO is? Why do you bother voting at all?

I do not post negative stuff about Trump. I have commented on his morals (or lack thereof) when asked why I was considering voting for Harris. I asked about RINOs because I was curious - how people who toe the conservative line could be labeled RINOs (it appears that it's all based on one's own opinions). I vote, even when I know my candidate is going to lose because voting is a privilege of citizenship and I exercise it every chance I get.

Of course you post negative stuff about trump. Your whole flawed definition of a RINO is based on TDS, which you had in mind before you asked the question. And you stated your reasons for not voting for trump. Nothing there about policy. Why do you not go to the same depth on democrat candidates? Are they all as pure as the driven snow in your eyes? Maybe some introspection is in order?

Is Brian Kemp a RINO? Donald Trump thought so until just a couple weeks ago, when suddenly he wasn't. All because he patched things up with Trump. Nothing else changed. As to policy, I'm still waiting for something definitive from the Harris campaign. And Trump's policies? Even he doesn't seem to care about them; his advisers have tried to get him to stick with policy, but he erupts in invective at every rally. Name-calling and vulgarity are hardly policy issues. And no, no one is pure as the driven snow.

[BackInTex]

As to policy, I'm still waiting for something definitive from the Harris campaign.

You'll get them in Februry is she wins. It will be too late then. Wake up.

[tlynn78]

I do not post negative stuff about Trump. I have commented on his morals (or lack thereof) when asked why I was considering voting for Harris. I asked about RINOs because I was curious - how people who toe the conservative line could be labeled RINOs (it appears that it's all based on one's own opinions). I vote, even when I know my candidate is going to lose because voting is a privilege of citizenship and I exercise it every chance I get.

Of course you post negative stuff about trump. Your whole flawed definition of a RINO is based on TDS, which you had in mind before you asked the question. And you stated your reasons for not voting for trump. Nothing there about policy. Why do you not go to the same depth on democrat candidates? Are they all as pure as the driven snow in your eyes? Maybe some introspection is in order?

Is Brian Kemp a RINO? Donald Trump thought so until just a couple weeks ago, when suddenly he wasn't. All because he patched things up with Trump. Nothing else changed. As to policy, I'm still waiting for something definitive from the Harris campaign. And Trump's policies? Even he doesn't seem to care about them; his advisers have tried to get him to stick with policy, but he erupts in invective at every rally. Name-calling and vulgarity are hardly policy issues. And no, no one is pure as the driven snow.

It's really not that hard, Ear. Ever notice that a large number of Rinos are nepotism babies? They want to keep the GoP the way it was 40-50 years ago - trad families, bootstrap pulling, fiscally conservatism, etc. They do not want the party to evolve from where it is now because of the way the "swamp" has turned politics (BOTH parties) into a cash machine. It's simply too lucrative, and it's not just power that corrupts, but money. The vast majority of Republicans I know and/or have spoken to want the party to evolve. They are frustrated by the system not working as it should, and like him or not, Trump's policies were moving things in the right direction before Covid was introduced, and he was doing it in the face of unprecedented opposition. Trump was an abrupt, direct businessman when he came down that elevator, and he has since endured years of utterly relentless slanders, lies and covert and overt attacks. I guess he doesn't want to play nice.

[flockofseagulls104]

I do not post negative stuff about Trump. I have commented on his morals (or lack thereof) when asked why I was considering voting for Harris. I asked about RINOs because I was curious - how people who toe the conservative line could be labeled RINOs (it appears that it's all based on one's own opinions). I vote, even when I know my candidate is going to lose because voting is a privilege of citizenship and I exercise it every chance I get.

Of course you post negative stuff about trump. Your whole flawed definition of a RINO is based on TDS, which you had in mind before you asked the question. And you stated your reasons for not voting for trump. Nothing there about policy. Why do you not go to the same depth on democrat candidates? Are they all as pure as the driven snow in your eyes? Maybe some introspection is in order?

Is Brian Kemp a RINO? Donald Trump thought so until just a couple weeks ago, when suddenly he wasn't. All because he patched things up with Trump. Nothing else changed. As to policy, I'm still waiting for something definitive from the Harris campaign. And Trump's policies? Even he doesn't seem to care about them; his advisers have tried to get him to stick with policy, but he erupts in invective at every rally. Name-calling and vulgarity are hardly policy issues. And no, no one is pure as the driven snow.

Yes, ear. Brian Kemp is definitely a RINO. Whether he supports trump or not. You see, it's NOT ABOUT TRUMP. Until you get the TDS out of your head, you will never understand.
Kemp takes the swamp's side when it counts. He initially verified Joe Rossi's evidence that Fulton County threw the 2020 election. Then something happened. Can only conjecture, but after his daughter's boyfriend was killed in a car crash, he did a 180 on several issues and has since stood in the way of any election integrity issue he could get away with. He is currently behind the scenes controlling the chair of the State Election Board and defunding them, for one thing.

I guess it's good he declared he will be supporting trump, but to the majority of the republican party members in Georgia, he is a persona non-grata. Both him and Raffensperger. Supposedly the top elected officials in Georgia, but neither of them ever show up at their own party's state convention,

I doubt you have ever watched a trump rally from start to finish if you think it's all about name calling and vulgarity. He spends 2 hours telling his supporters and the 'fake news' outlets exactly what his positions are on the important issues. No word salads that mean exactly nothing. You want name-calling and invective? That's what the fake news comes out with when they report on what he said. For 8 years now. Your only information comes from what you get from the media conglomerate. You really need to wake up.

[Ritterskoop]

I've always thought that for domestic policy, our choices for Congress, and by extension, for state and local positions, are more important than who is at the top.

I grant that with foreign relationships, the executive boss can have more effect on how the US is perceived by other nations.

OK, then why are you so afraid of trump, who's already done it? And successfully, judged by his record? Why vote for a phony that was picked in a back room with no input from the citizenry, who is beholden to the cabal who are unnamed and unelected, not to the people?

I am saying it is not as important as many people think, who is at the top. I cannot remember saying I was afraid of Trump; I don’t like fear-based politics. You may have assumed more about me than is accurate, if you think I fear Trump.

I am about celebrating solutions and making the world better, especially at the local level. I know I don’t post as much as you, but I thought I had done enough to say these things.

I want us to make the world better, and not to make everything about fear.

[flockofseagulls104]

I've always thought that for domestic policy, our choices for Congress, and by extension, for state and local positions, are more important than who is at the top.

I grant that with foreign relationships, the executive boss can have more effect on how the US is perceived by other nations.

OK, then why are you so afraid of trump, who's already done it? And successfully, judged by his record? Why vote for a phony that was picked in a back room with no input from the citizenry, who is beholden to the cabal who are unnamed and unelected, not to the people?

I am saying it is not as important as many people think, who is at the top. I cannot remember saying I was afraid of Trump; I don’t like fear-based politics. You may have assumed more about me than is accurate, if you think I fear Trump.

I am about celebrating solutions and making the world better, especially at the local level. I know I don’t post as much as you, but I thought I had done enough to say these things.

I want us to make the world better, and not to make everything about fear.

If you are truly who you are representing yourself as, then change fear to 'reject' or 'abhor'. Does that make it easier to digest?

So why are you considering casting a vote for someone who is hiding all her past values, statements and actions. Who was rejected right at the start of the primaries, has done nothing as VP except spectacularly failed at the one job she was given, will not talk unscripted or unsupported to anyone, even friendly reporters, and now is somehow the queen of the world?
And reject the man who has done the job before, has kept us out of wars, has overseen a very robust and growing economy, who made us energy independent, has a lot more experience with the job, talks to anyone and everyone frequently, and hides nothing?

This country, and this world, was a much better place under Donald Trump before covid hit. Deny that. And if you are going to blame covid on trump, your response is already suspect. At the most, trump is at the bottom of the list of the causes and origination of the covid crisis. China and Fauci are way above him on the list.

[earendel]

It's really not that hard, Ear. Ever notice that a large number of Rinos are nepotism babies? They want to keep the GoP the way it was 40-50 years ago - trad families, bootstrap pulling, fiscally conservatism, etc. They do not want the party to evolve from where it is now because of the way the "swamp" has turned politics (BOTH parties) into a cash machine. It's simply too lucrative, and it's not just power that corrupts, but money. The vast majority of Republicans I know and/or have spoken to want the party to evolve. They are frustrated by the system not working as it should, and like him or not, Trump's policies were moving things in the right direction before Covid was introduced, and he was doing it in the face of unprecedented opposition. Trump was an abrupt, direct businessman when he came down that elevator, and he has since endured years of utterly relentless slanders, lies and covert and overt attacks. I guess he doesn't want to play nice.

Thank you. This is the most informative response I've received. I'm not sure I completely agree, but it's not my party, so I can't cry if I want to.

[tlynn78]

It's really not that hard, Ear. Ever notice that a large number of Rinos are nepotism babies? They want to keep the GoP the way it was 40-50 years ago - trad families, bootstrap pulling, fiscally conservatism, etc. They do not want the party to evolve from where it is now because of the way the "swamp" has turned politics (BOTH parties) into a cash machine. It's simply too lucrative, and it's not just power that corrupts, but money. The vast majority of Republicans I know and/or have spoken to want the party to evolve. They are frustrated by the system not working as it should, and like him or not, Trump's policies were moving things in the right direction before Covid was introduced, and he was doing it in the face of unprecedented opposition. Trump was an abrupt, direct businessman when he came down that elevator, and he has since endured years of utterly relentless slanders, lies and covert and overt attacks. I guess he doesn't want to play nice.

Thank you. This is the most informative response I've received. I'm not sure I completely agree, but it's not my party, so I can't cry if I want to.

Caveat: obviously, I am speaking for myself. The mileage of others will undoubtedly vary.

[Beebs52]

It's really not that hard, Ear. Ever notice that a large number of Rinos are nepotism babies? They want to keep the GoP the way it was 40-50 years ago - trad families, bootstrap pulling, fiscally conservatism, etc. They do not want the party to evolve from where it is now because of the way the "swamp" has turned politics (BOTH parties) into a cash machine. It's simply too lucrative, and it's not just power that corrupts, but money. The vast majority of Republicans I know and/or have spoken to want the party to evolve. They are frustrated by the system not working as it should, and like him or not, Trump's policies were moving things in the right direction before Covid was introduced, and he was doing it in the face of unprecedented opposition. Trump was an abrupt, direct businessman when he came down that elevator, and he has since endured years of utterly relentless slanders, lies and covert and overt attacks. I guess he doesn't want to play nice.

Thank you. This is the most informative response I've received. I'm not sure I completely agree, but it's not my party, so I can't cry if I want to.

Tgirl, nicely articulated as it were.

[Ritterskoop]

OK, then why are you so afraid of trump, who's already done it? And successfully, judged by his record? Why vote for a phony that was picked in a back room with no input from the citizenry, who is beholden to the cabal who are unnamed and unelected, not to the people?

I am saying it is not as important as many people think, who is at the top. I cannot remember saying I was afraid of Trump; I don’t like fear-based politics. You may have assumed more about me than is accurate, if you think I fear Trump.

I am about celebrating solutions and making the world better, especially at the local level. I know I don’t post as much as you, but I thought I had done enough to say these things.

I want us to make the world better, and not to make everything about fear.

If you are truly who you are representing yourself as, then change fear to 'reject' or 'abhor'. Does that make it easier to digest?

So why are you considering casting a vote for someone who is hiding all her past values, statements and actions. Who was rejected right at the start of the primaries, has done nothing as VP except spectacularly failed at the one job she was given, will not talk unscripted or unsupported to anyone, even friendly reporters, and now is somehow the queen of the world?
And reject the man who has done the job before, has kept us out of wars, has overseen a very robust and growing economy, who made us energy independent, has a lot more experience with the job, talks to anyone and everyone frequently, and hides nothing?

This country, and this world, was a much better place under Donald Trump before covid hit. Deny that. And if you are going to blame covid on trump, your response is already suspect. At the most, trump is at the bottom of the list of the causes and origination of the covid crisis. China and Fauci are way above him on the list.

I have never said Trump is to blame for the COVID virus. I can't get from point A to B to make that possible. It was a natural evolution of the world trying to rid itself of us, that's been going on for millions of years. Nature thrusts and we feint. That's a pattern.

I feel like you are ascribing a lot of things to me that I have never said.

I'm going to stick to the solutions thread; I am not able to learn anything in this one except the same old stuff. I'm trying to say, over and over, that I am looking for solutions and collaboration rather than blaming.

I want to know where are the traditional Republicans I can learn about and maybe vote for. I never seem to get this answer, no matter how many ways I ask.

[flockofseagulls104]

I've always thought that for domestic policy, our choices for Congress, and by extension, for state and local positions, are more important than who is at the top.

I grant that with foreign relationships, the executive boss can have more effect on how the US is perceived by other nations.

I guess I am assuming, based on your history, that you prefer the democrat platform over the republican. Maybe I am assuming too much. All I am asking, based on your presentation of yourself as open-minded, that you look beneath the surface a little. I gave you an opportunity that you declined. I sometimes envy people who are comfortable floating on the surface, but I have seen things I can't unsee.

[Beebs52]

"but I have seen things I can't unsee"

Could you elucidate?

[flockofseagulls104]

"but I have seen things I can't unsee"

Could you elucidate?

I have analyzed the GA State voter roll from the eyes of 35+ years of experience in Database Management and Analysis. I KNOW our SOS is lying about it. It is one of the dirtiest, bloated and self-contradicting tables I have ever seen. Any reputable business would have fired the database manager who was in charge of this data. And this is just the data they have decided to show the public! I have seen the evidence of voter fraud published by the GA Nerds. Having the data available to me from multiple years of SOS voter rolls and voter history, I have personally verified several of their claims as being 100% true.

I was involved in a national CBS story purported to be about election integrity. They behaved exactly how the 'right-wing press' and President Trump describes. They had their narrative before they even started on the story. Their 'interview' with what they view as 'election deniers' was completely one-sided and biased. When offered evidence to refute some of their claims, their producer initially agreed. But 2 hours before the presentation, that he set the date and time for, he backed out, telling me that they already had their story. (I have the receipts) Their 'news' story, aired nationally, was completely one-sided and subtly inflammatory.

I have seen how the powers that be use parliamentary tricks, legal sleight of hand and outright violations of the law to protect themselves at the expense of 'We the People'. I have seen how Marc Elias and innumerable well-funded and lawyer-rich partisan NGO's use lawfare to thwart, harass and intimidate anyone they deem a threat to their agenda and goals.

I have had my opinions over the years, as you well know. But my involvement was on the surface. It consisted of throwing things at the TV and venting on the bored. But after 2022, I 'did some introspection'. I decided I was a hypocrite by just complaining and not doing anything about it. So I put my toe in the water. Now I am seeing what is below the surface, and it is very frightening. I still vent here on the bored, knowing it doesn't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. But it gives me an outlet, and shows me, in a microcosm, what we are up against.