How do you justify voting for the administration that planned, implemented and executed the complete fiasco of our withdrawal from Afghanistan?
How is it explained to you in your bubble that you can actively want the people who showed they have earthly clue what they are doing, do not have the slightest qualms about what they did, and where not one person paid any kind of price for that extreme display of stupidity and lack of any judgement?
I'd really like to know how it is that you delude yourself. Seriously. Is it really all TDS?
How do you justify voting for the administration that planned, implemented and executed the complete fiasco of our withdrawal from Afghanistan?
How is it explained to you in your bubble that you can actively want the people who showed they have earthly clue what they are doing, do not have the slightest qualms about what they did, and where not one person paid any kind of price for that extreme display of stupidity and lack of any judgement?
I'd really like to know how it is that you delude yourself. Seriously. Is it really all TDS?
How do you justify voting for the administration that planned, implemented and executed the complete fiasco of our withdrawal from Afghanistan?
How is it explained to you in your bubble that you can actively want the people who showed they have earthly clue what they are doing, do not have the slightest qualms about what they did, and where not one person paid any kind of price for that extreme display of stupidity and lack of any judgement?
I'd really like to know how it is that you delude yourself. Seriously. Is it really all TDS?
Nobody is even going to attempt to tackle the question. Buried deep down in the hypocrisy lobe of their brains.
Withdrawing from a war that isn't won is never easy. Consider the withdrawal from Vietnam - having to evacuate people by helicopter from the embassy, leaving behind a great deal of military equipment, not to mention the Vietnamese who helped the Americans being left behind. Yes, Afghanistan was a debacle. But let us not forget that part of the reason was Biden's desire to stick to the timetable that Trump had put in place. How much preparation did Trump make for the withdrawal?
Nobody is even going to attempt to tackle the question. Buried deep down in the hypocrisy lobe of their brains.
Withdrawing from a war that isn't won is never easy. Consider the withdrawal from Vietnam - having to evacuate people by helicopter from the embassy, leaving behind a great deal of military equipment, not to mention the Vietnamese who helped the Americans being left behind. Yes, Afghanistan was a debacle. But let us not forget that part of the reason was Biden's desire to stick to the timetable that Trump had put in place. How much preparation did Trump make for the withdrawal?
Really? That is what you're going with?
My dog could have planned the withdrawal better, Even decided we weren't ready to pull out yet. It was OUR decision to leave, not theirs. Our timetable, not theirs. Yet it was biden's handlers, with kamala in the room where it happened, that did it. Not only that, we gave them billions of dollars of military equipment and the strategically important airport. And we gave the taliban another generation to indoctrinate and radicalize with the weapons they need to boot, and all the women to re-subjugate. Did I miss something? Were the taliban kicking our ass or something and forcing us to surrender?
And you're not an idiot. You know it, and you patronize me by the response you gave me? Where is your brain, ear?
Nobody is even going to attempt to tackle the question. Buried deep down in the hypocrisy lobe of their brains.
Withdrawing from a war that isn't won is never easy. Consider the withdrawal from Vietnam - having to evacuate people by helicopter from the embassy, leaving behind a great deal of military equipment, not to mention the Vietnamese who helped the Americans being left behind. Yes, Afghanistan was a debacle. But let us not forget that part of the reason was Biden's desire to stick to the timetable that Trump had put in place. How much preparation did Trump make for the withdrawal?
Really? That is what you're going with?
My dog could have planned the withdrawal better, Even decided we weren't ready to pull out yet. It was OUR decision to leave, not theirs. Our timetable, not theirs. Yet it was biden's handlers, with kamala in the room where it happened, that did it. Not only that, we gave them billions of dollars of military equipment and the strategically important airport. And we gave the taliban another generation to indoctrinate and radicalize with the weapons they need to boot, and all the women to re-subjugate. Did I miss something? Were the taliban kicking our ass or something and forcing us to surrender?
And you're not an idiot. You know it, and you patronize me by the response you gave me? Where is your brain, ear?
And I don't even have a dog.
There's no denying that Afghanistan was a debacle. I've already said so. But one has to ask why preparations weren't already in process since Trump was the one who set the deadline in the first place. Knowing that there was an end date to the deployment, there's a lot that could and should have been done long before Biden came into office.
Withdrawing from a war that isn't won is never easy. Consider the withdrawal from Vietnam - having to evacuate people by helicopter from the embassy, leaving behind a great deal of military equipment, not to mention the Vietnamese who helped the Americans being left behind. Yes, Afghanistan was a debacle. But let us not forget that part of the reason was Biden's desire to stick to the timetable that Trump had put in place. How much preparation did Trump make for the withdrawal?
Really? That is what you're going with?
My dog could have planned the withdrawal better, Even decided we weren't ready to pull out yet. It was OUR decision to leave, not theirs. Our timetable, not theirs. Yet it was biden's handlers, with kamala in the room where it happened, that did it. Not only that, we gave them billions of dollars of military equipment and the strategically important airport. And we gave the taliban another generation to indoctrinate and radicalize with the weapons they need to boot, and all the women to re-subjugate. Did I miss something? Were the taliban kicking our ass or something and forcing us to surrender?
And you're not an idiot. You know it, and you patronize me by the response you gave me? Where is your brain, ear?
And I don't even have a dog.
There's no denying that Afghanistan was a debacle. I've already said so. But one has to ask why preparations weren't already in process since Trump was the one who set the deadline in the first place. Knowing that there was an end date to the deployment, there's a lot that could and should have been done long before Biden came into office.
Um.... They probably were, ear. And they probably ignored them, just like they did everything else trump set up. I am SURE it would not have happened the way it did if trump were Commander in Chief. Stop with the shallow excuses. There are none. When are you going to open your eyes, ear?
My dog could have planned the withdrawal better, Even decided we weren't ready to pull out yet. It was OUR decision to leave, not theirs. Our timetable, not theirs. Yet it was biden's handlers, with kamala in the room where it happened, that did it. Not only that, we gave them billions of dollars of military equipment and the strategically important airport. And we gave the taliban another generation to indoctrinate and radicalize with the weapons they need to boot, and all the women to re-subjugate. Did I miss something? Were the taliban kicking our ass or something and forcing us to surrender?
And you're not an idiot. You know it, and you patronize me by the response you gave me? Where is your brain, ear?
And I don't even have a dog.
There's no denying that Afghanistan was a debacle. I've already said so. But one has to ask why preparations weren't already in process since Trump was the one who set the deadline in the first place. Knowing that there was an end date to the deployment, there's a lot that could and should have been done long before Biden came into office.
Um.... They probably were, ear. And they probably ignored them, just like they did everything else trump set up. I am SURE it would not have happened the way it did if trump were Commander in Chief. Stop with the shallow excuses. There are none. When are you going to open your eyes, ear?
Maybe when he goes to the grocery store and sees a loaf of bread is now only $1.29, but there are none to be bought.
Re: I'd like to know one thing
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:47 pm
by flockofseagulls104
Anyone got an answer that doesn't somehow blame it on trump?
How do you justify voting for the administration that planned, implemented and executed the complete fiasco of our withdrawal from Afghanistan?
How is it explained to you in your bubble that you can actively want the people who showed they have earthly clue what they are doing, do not have the slightest qualms about what they did, and where not one person paid any kind of price for that extreme display of stupidity and lack of any judgement?
I'd really like to know how it is that you delude yourself. Seriously. Is it really all TDS?
I would agree that they did a poor job of the withdrawal. Of course, the person who set that in motion was Donald Trump.
That’s the thing about Trumper. They complain about Afghanistan. They complain about the deficit. Their guy screws us up as much as anyone else could. Dude ramp the deficit all day long, and I have folks telling me that he’s somehow going to get it under control. By cutting taxes?
Look. If you offered a candidate that could manage the military or the deficit or healthcare or whatever, I would consider that person. But this guy had four years and a lot of things are as much his problem as Biden. See inflation. Yet you have people voting for Trump because they think he’s going to stop inflation. You mean the inflation that he said in motion during the Covid response?
How do you justify voting for the administration that planned, implemented and executed the complete fiasco of our withdrawal from Afghanistan?
How is it explained to you in your bubble that you can actively want the people who showed they have earthly clue what they are doing, do not have the slightest qualms about what they did, and where not one person paid any kind of price for that extreme display of stupidity and lack of any judgement?
I'd really like to know how it is that you delude yourself. Seriously. Is it really all TDS?
I would agree that they did a poor job of the withdrawal. Of course, the person who set that in motion was Donald Trump.
That’s the thing about Trumper. They complain about Afghanistan. They complain about the deficit. Their guy screws us up as much as anyone else could. Dude ramp the deficit all day long, and I have folks telling me that he’s somehow going to get it under control. By cutting taxes?
Look. If you offered a candidate that could manage the military or the deficit or healthcare or whatever, I would consider that person. But this guy had four years and a lot of things are as much his problem as Biden. See inflation. Yet you have people voting for Trump because they think he’s going to stop inflation. You mean the inflation that he said in motion during the Covid response?
But you’re a brick wall.
Trump did not perform the withdrawal, um the surrender, in Afghanistan. And how have the biden puppeteers managed any of those three issues? Talk about brick walls? Everything is somehow trump''s fault, but none of it happened under his watch.
How do you justify voting for the administration that planned, implemented and executed the complete fiasco of our withdrawal from Afghanistan?
How is it explained to you in your bubble that you can actively want the people who showed they have earthly clue what they are doing, do not have the slightest qualms about what they did, and where not one person paid any kind of price for that extreme display of stupidity and lack of any judgement?
I'd really like to know how it is that you delude yourself. Seriously. Is it really all TDS?
I would agree that they did a poor job of the withdrawal. Of course, the person who set that in motion was Donald Trump.
That’s the thing about Trumper. They complain about Afghanistan. They complain about the deficit. Their guy screws us up as much as anyone else could. Dude ramp the deficit all day long, and I have folks telling me that he’s somehow going to get it under control. By cutting taxes?
Look. If you offered a candidate that could manage the military or the deficit or healthcare or whatever, I would consider that person. But this guy had four years and a lot of things are as much his problem as Biden. See inflation. Yet you have people voting for Trump because they think he’s going to stop inflation. You mean the inflation that he said in motion during the Covid response?
There's no denying that Afghanistan was a debacle. I've already said so. But one has to ask why preparations weren't already in process since Trump was the one who set the deadline in the first place. Knowing that there was an end date to the deployment, there's a lot that could and should have been done long before Biden came into office.
Um.... They probably were, ear. And they probably ignored them, just like they did everything else trump set up. I am SURE it would not have happened the way it did if trump were Commander in Chief. Stop with the shallow excuses. There are none. When are you going to open your eyes, ear?
Maybe when he goes to the grocery store and sees a loaf of bread is now only $1.29, but there are none to be bought.
I believe I've already indicated that I do not favor Harris' "price gouging" solution.
Anyone got an answer that doesn't somehow blame it on trump?
Trump negotiated the deal with the Taliban, the so-called "Doha deal" (https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upload ... ration.pdf). And for someone who prides himself on being a deal-maker, Trump got the short end of the stick. He agreed to release 5000 Taliban prisoners in exchange for only 1000 Afghans. The Taliban pledged to stop supporting other terrorist groups, but did not. They agreed to work with the Afghan government, but did not. In exchange, Trump agreed to remove all American troops within 14 months following the declaration. By the time that date had come, troop strength was down to around 4000. Faced with that deadline, and with intelligence reports that the Taliban had not lived up to the declaration, Biden could either continue the withdrawal or send in more troops. Trump was so anxious to get a deal that he got played. That doesn't excuse the debacle at Kabul, which occurred under Biden's watch.
Anyone got an answer that doesn't somehow blame it on trump?
Trump negotiated the deal with the Taliban, the so-called "Doha deal" (https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upload ... ration.pdf). And for someone who prides himself on being a deal-maker, Trump got the short end of the stick. He agreed to release 5000 Taliban prisoners in exchange for only 1000 Afghans. The Taliban pledged to stop supporting other terrorist groups, but did not. They agreed to work with the Afghan government, but did not. In exchange, Trump agreed to remove all American troops within 14 months following the declaration. By the time that date had come, troop strength was down to around 4000. Faced with that deadline, and with intelligence reports that the Taliban had not lived up to the declaration, Biden could either continue the withdrawal or send in more troops. Trump was so anxious to get a deal that he got played. That doesn't excuse the debacle at Kabul, which occurred under Biden's watch.
Oh, I see it now. Just one search.
I was looking for the video where trump told the taliban negotiator that if one American gets hurt, we know where you and your family lives.
But the media conglomerate has flooded itself with 'stories' like you are telling. All of a sudden. No way I could find it. That's always the case.
Biden's handlers ignored and struck down or ignored everything else trump established or did. Why did they go forward with this? The buck always seems to stop with trump with you. But you never post anything negative about trump. You just repost the lies the media conglomerate media feeds you without questioning it at all. And when proven wrong (biden's cognitive status), you just.... I don't know what you do. I don't understand it.
Biden's handlers ignored and struck down or ignored everything else trump established or did. Why did they go forward with this? The buck always seems to stop with trump with you. But you never post anything negative about trump. You just repost the lies the media conglomerate media feeds you without questioning it at all. And when proven wrong (biden's cognitive status), you just.... I don't know what you do. I don't understand it.
I presume they did it for the same reason Trump originally did the negotiation - to get us out of Afghanistan. I've acknowledged several times that the withdrawal was a fiasco and that there is enough blame to go around - both Trump and Biden. You, on the other hand, seem convinced that Trump can do nothing wrong.
I don't believe I've been involved in the discussions about Biden's cognitive difficulties, so I don't believe you have "proved me wrong". FWIW, I didn't want Biden to run again.
Biden's handlers ignored and struck down or ignored everything else trump established or did. Why did they go forward with this? The buck always seems to stop with trump with you. But you never post anything negative about trump. You just repost the lies the media conglomerate media feeds you without questioning it at all. And when proven wrong (biden's cognitive status), you just.... I don't know what you do. I don't understand it.
I presume they did it for the same reason Trump originally did the negotiation - to get us out of Afghanistan. I've acknowledged several times that the withdrawal was a fiasco and that there is enough blame to go around - both Trump and Biden. You, on the other hand, seem convinced that Trump can do nothing wrong.
I don't believe I've been involved in the discussions about Biden's cognitive difficulties, so I don't believe you have "proved me wrong". FWIW, I didn't want Biden to run again.
Trump does plenty wrong. He has done plenty wrong. All the talk about his past sexual utterances and dalliances? Probably all true. But he has done nothing wrong in that area since he entered politics. If he had, don't you think they would have heard of it in Antartica? But what about Clinton? He has and continues to get a pass. Double standard, ear? All these 'folks' who won't vote for him because of his past and his mouth? They probably all voted for Clinton, who continued being a serial sexual offender even in the Oval Office. Trump's non-politically correct mouth and social media posts? Weigh that against all the lies and slander against him in the supposedly objective fake news outlets.
Trump wanted out of Afghanistan. He set a date. Yes, he did that. But if you think it would have happened the way it did while he was in charge of it, you have a screw loose. He spoke about it in detail in Johnstown. How Gen Milley, (who he had no respect for then, and was proven correct) insisted on leaving billions of dollars of military equipment there because it would be too expensive to get it out. Trump said that was bullshit, and he would never have allowed that to happen. How he would have left the military there until every single threatened civilian was out. How he would have kept Bagram. It was not his plan that was used to leave Afghanistan, ear.
He also recounted the event I was referring to above (I think it's telling I couldn't find any reference to it by searching on a browser. I've seen it before, but now it's gone.) [Paraphrasing] He met with the leader of the taliban. At one point he stressed the point that if any American was hurt or killed, there would be hell to pay. He passed over a few photos to the leader. They were photographs of the home where the leader lived. No American was hurt for the 18 months after that meeting. An example of peace through strength.
It is not the point whether you wanted biden to run again or not, ear. The point is that the administration, including kamala, and the media conglomerate all COLLUDED in the lie that biden was 'sharp as a tack'. How can you, if you are indeed a reasoning person, give them any credibility on anything else, knowing that?
Trump does plenty wrong. He has done plenty wrong. All the talk about his past sexual utterances and dalliances? Probably all true. But he has done nothing wrong in that area since he entered politics. If he had, don't you think they would have heard of it in Antartica? But what about Clinton? He has and continues to get a pass. Double standard, ear? All these 'folks' who won't vote for him because of his past and his mouth? They probably all voted for Clinton, who continued being a serial sexual offender even in the Oval Office. Trump's non-politically correct mouth and social media posts? Weigh that against all the lies and slander against him in the supposedly objective fake news outlets.
Nice of you to acknowledge Trump's wrongdoings. As for Clinton - since he's not running for office, I have no concern about his dalliances. If he were running, that would be a different story.
Trump wanted out of Afghanistan. He set a date. Yes, he did that. But if you think it would have happened the way it did while he was in charge of it, you have a screw loose. He spoke about it in detail in Johnstown. How Gen Milley, (who he had no respect for then, and was proven correct) insisted on leaving billions of dollars of military equipment there because it would be too expensive to get it out. Trump said that was bullshit, and he would never have allowed that to happen. How he would have left the military there until every single threatened civilian was out. How he would have kept Bagram. It was not his plan that was used to leave Afghanistan, ear.
If Trump was all that concerned about getting out, he could have ordered the "billions of dollars of military equipment" to be drawn down over time or destroyed. As for what else might have happened, there's no way to know. What I do know is that Trump is big on plans but short on details (Federal funding for IVF, for instance - agree or disagree, he hasn't made any comments on how he expects that to happen).
He also recounted the event I was referring to above (I think it's telling I couldn't find any reference to it by searching on a browser. I've seen it before, but now it's gone.) [Paraphrasing] He met with the leader of the taliban. At one point he stressed the point that if any American was hurt or killed, there would be hell to pay. He passed over a few photos to the leader. They were photographs of the home where the leader lived. No American was hurt for the 18 months after that meeting. An example of peace through strength. In the 1-minute-long clip being shared online, Trump can be heard saying: “We didn’t lose one American soldier. Not one.”
From Reuters (which I'm sure you will dismiss as lame-stream media):
Social media users are sharing a video of former U.S. President Donald J. Trump where he claims that in an 18-month period during his leadership, there were no U.S. military deaths in Afghanistan. The video shows Trump speaking at a rally in Austin, Texas on May 14, 2022.
He continues: “And just as I’m coming off the stage, I think they had a tragic event in Buffalo, just as I'm coming on the stage, tragic event in Buffalo with numerous people being killed. In 18 months in Afghanistan, we lost nobody.”
It is unclear which 18 months Trump is referring to.
Reuters sought comment from the Department of Defense, and they pointed to the Defense Casualty Analysis System for Operation Freedom's Sentinel (OFS) database.
The database provides data on U.S. military casualties in Afghanistan from 2015. Deaths were recorded every year since 2015, except for 2022.
If Trump was referring to the period between February 2020 and August 2021, when he negotiated the Afghanistan withdrawal agreement, 15 deaths in total were recorded as “hostile deaths” in the database, with two in February 2020 and 13 in August 2021. Equally, “Non-Hostile/Pending Deaths” were also registered in this period.
If Trump was referring to the last 18 months of his presidency, between July 2019 and January 2021, there were 12 deaths recorded in the Defense Casualty Analysis System as “hostile deaths” in Afghanistan. “Non-Hostile/Pending Deaths” were again also registered in this period.
It is not the point whether you wanted biden to run again or not, ear. The point is that the administration, including kamala, and the media conglomerate all COLLUDED in the lie that biden was 'sharp as a tack'. How can you, if you are indeed a reasoning person, give them any credibility on anything else, knowing that?
Are you suggesting that the Afghanistan debacle was due to Biden's cognitive decline?
Re: I'd like to know one thing
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:06 pm
by flockofseagulls104
It is not the point whether you wanted biden to run again or not, ear. The point is that the administration, including kamala, and the media conglomerate all COLLUDED in the lie that biden was 'sharp as a tack'. How can you, if you are indeed a reasoning person, give them any credibility on anything else, knowing that?
Are you suggesting that the Afghanistan debacle was due to Biden's cognitive decline?
No ear. I was answering your SECOND point.
Re: I'd like to know one thing
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:12 pm
by flockofseagulls104
From Wikipedia (definitely lame stream media)
U.S. KIA (hostile) in all OEF/OFS theaters according to the US DoD
2019 2 0 2 3 0 2 3 2 2 0 0 1 - 17
2020 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 4
2021 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 – – – – - 13
January 27, 2020 – Two US Air Force crew members were killed when an E-11A aircraft crashed
February 8, 2020 – Two U.S. Special Operations Soldiers were killed and six service members wounded from an insider "Green on Blue" attack in Nangarhar.[32]
August 26, 2021 – Thirteen U.S. service members from the US Marine Corps, US Navy and US Army were killed in a suicide bombing attack[33] during evacuations at the Kabul airport.
There's lies, damned lies and statistics.
If you believe trump is lying, ok, it was 17 1/2 months no one was killed in action in Afghanistan.
If you want to believe reuters, they seem to be bending and stretching the truth themselves.
But the actual truth seems to be there were no hostile actions that resulted in deaths against American troops from Feb 2020 to Aug 2021, which was the first time there were more than 3 months without a KIA since we became involved in Afghanistan. Funny, reuters does not seem to mention that. They seem to be going out of their way to show that trump is wrong.
He also recounted the event I was referring to above (I think it's telling I couldn't find any reference to it by searching on a browser. I've seen it before, but now it's gone.) [Paraphrasing] He met with the leader of the taliban. At one point he stressed the point that if any American was hurt or killed, there would be hell to pay. He passed over a few photos to the leader. They were photographs of the home where the leader lived. No American was hurt for the 18 months after that meeting. An example of peace through strength.
Here is the video you’re looking for:
I’m impressed with your accurate memory. Apparently I’m better at searching. (I picked an Australian video but there are also American videos of the same story on Youtube.)
I don’t think it’s a literal account of an actual meeting. Its purpose is to show Trump can be tough with our adversaries, like the similar anecdote of a Trump-Putin conversation that sounds like dialogue from “Wayne’s World.”
He also recounted the event I was referring to above (I think it's telling I couldn't find any reference to it by searching on a browser. I've seen it before, but now it's gone.) [Paraphrasing] He met with the leader of the taliban. At one point he stressed the point that if any American was hurt or killed, there would be hell to pay. He passed over a few photos to the leader. They were photographs of the home where the leader lived. No American was hurt for the 18 months after that meeting. An example of peace through strength.
Here is the video you’re looking for:
I’m impressed with your accurate memory. Apparently I’m better at searching. (I picked an Australian video but there are also American videos of the same story on Youtube.)
I don’t think it’s a literal account of an actual meeting. Its purpose is to show Trump can be tough with our adversaries, like the similar anecdote of a Trump-Putin conversation that sounds like dialogue from “Wayne’s World.”
Trump mentioned it a Johnstown, I think. But of course, he lies about everything.