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Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:15 pm
by Weyoun
That’s a leader leading.

And now we have a real election.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:17 pm
by flockofseagulls104
Weyoun wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:15 pm
That’s a leader leading.

And now we have a real election.
That's the deep state at work trying desperately to keep their power.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:21 pm
by flockofseagulls104
If he was a leader, he would have resigned as President a long time ago for the good of the country.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:23 pm
by kroxquo
CNN reports Trump's reaction:

In a phone call with CNN minutes after President Joe Biden announced his exit from the 2024 race, former President Donald Trump described Biden going “down as the single worst president by far in the history of our country.”

While it’s unclear who the Democratic nominee will be, Trump said he thinks Vice President Kamala Harris will be easier to defeat than Biden would have been.


He is very wrong on both counts.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:26 pm
by flockofseagulls104
kroxquo wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:23 pm
CNN reports Trump's reaction:

In a phone call with CNN minutes after President Joe Biden announced his exit from the 2024 race, former President Donald Trump described Biden going “down as the single worst president by far in the history of our country.”

While it’s unclear who the Democratic nominee will be, Trump said he thinks Vice President Kamala Harris will be easier to defeat than Biden would have been.


He is very wrong on both counts.
OK. here's a response with as much evidence as yours: He is completely correct on both counts.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:26 pm
by jarnon
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:21 pm
If he was a leader, he would have resigned as President a long time ago for the good of the country.
OK, Flock, where has Biden failed in the past three years, due to senility, and how would Pres. Harris have handled it better?

(I fear the answer would have been different in two or three years.)

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:41 pm
by jarnon
ABC News wrote:In another post on X, Biden gave his "full support and endorsement" for Vice President Kamala Harris to be the Democratic Party's nominee.
ABC News wrote:As calls from some Democratic lawmakers for President Joe Biden to pass the torch have grown this week, House Speaker Mike Johnson suggested Sunday that such a move might lead to legal trouble.

Johnson, R-La., told "This Week" co-anchor Martha Raddatz that it would not be possible for some states to switch out Biden for another candidate ahead of the presidential election in November.

"So it would be wrong, and I think unlawful, in accordance to some of these states' rules for a handful of people to go in a back room and switch it out because they're, they don't like the candidate any longer. That's not how this is supposed to work. So I think they would run into some legal impediments in at least a few of these jurisdictions," he told Raddatz.
Ironic considering how Johnson became the Speaker.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:42 pm
by flockofseagulls104
jarnon wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:26 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:21 pm
If he was a leader, he would have resigned as President a long time ago for the good of the country.
OK, Flock, where has Biden failed in the past three years, due to senility, and how would Pres. Harris have handled it better?

(I fear the answer would have been different in two or three years.)
He has failed on the border, in Afghanistan, on the economy, on pretty much all of his appointments, on nationalizing lawfare, and pretty much everything else. The ONLY thing Kamala has is that she is not senile. I would rather have someone that can possibly, maybe consider real world consequences with a finger on the nuclear button.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:43 pm
by kroxquo
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:26 pm
kroxquo wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:23 pm
CNN reports Trump's reaction:

In a phone call with CNN minutes after President Joe Biden announced his exit from the 2024 race, former President Donald Trump described Biden going “down as the single worst president by far in the history of our country.”

While it’s unclear who the Democratic nominee will be, Trump said he thinks Vice President Kamala Harris will be easier to defeat than Biden would have been.


He is very wrong on both counts.
OK. here's a response with as much evidence as yours: He is completely correct on both counts.
Granted - Mine was a knee-jerk reaction with nothing to back it up.

On point 1 - Even if you view the Biden Presidency as a complete failure (I do not, but just for the sake of argument), there is no comparison to a President like James Buchanan who basically watched and did nothing as the Constitution crashed and burned and the country came very close to and end. Or Andrew Johnson who through inaction and reversals of strong Reconstruction policies laid the foundation for more than a century of racial inequality.

On point 2 - Kamala Harris, if she is the nominee (and I am going to assume she will be), brings a great deal of strength to the race. The young voters who were alienated by Biden will respond as will women. The Never Trumpers will now have someone who they can have more confidence in and she will be in a better position to get out the vote. And she will certainly be more dynamic and charismatic as a leader than Biden ever was. I would have preferred her to Biden four years ago (as well as at least 7 or 8 other people) and there are a lot of people who agree with me. Underestimate her at your own risk.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:57 pm
by wbtravis007
Tough decisions don’t build character. They reveal it.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:00 pm
by flockofseagulls104
On point 2 - Kamala Harris, if she is the nominee (and I am going to assume she will be), brings a great deal of strength to the race. The young voters who were alienated by Biden will respond as will women. The Never Trumpers will now have someone who they can have more confidence in and she will be in a better position to get out the vote. And she will certainly be more dynamic and charismatic as a leader than Biden ever was. I would have preferred her to Biden four years ago (as well as at least 7 or 8 other people) and there are a lot of people who agree with me. Underestimate her at your own risk.

Harris had one job in this administration: To fix the border. I would say that she didn't do a very good job at that.
Harris had 3% support before she dropped out of the primaries. You did not have much company.
It is obvious to anyone not living in the bullshit world that she was a DEI choice for VP. Just like Cheatle in the USSS. She has no qualifications on any merit. And she is not very bright. But at least she's not senile.
We do not need a communist from California in the White House.

I look forward to the circus in the democrat party going forward. The real power brokers that direct the democrat useful idiots now can decide on who they will try to fix the election for, unburdened by the senile incumbent.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:09 pm
by silverscreenselect
Purely my own opinion here, but I think that Biden will wait until after he meets Netanyahu on Tuesday, then announce his resignation. In that way, he puts some distance between Harris and the negative reaction he's gotten from some segments of the Democratic party for his close ties to Netanyahu. That's especially significant in Michigan, where a poll today was very bad for Biden.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:11 pm
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:00 pm
Harris had 3% support before she dropped out of the primaries. You did not have much company.
It is obvious to anyone not living in the bullshit world that she was a DEI choice for VP. Just like Cheatle in the USSS. She has no qualifications on any merit. And she is not very bright. But at least she's not senile.
Harris has learned a lot since her bid for the Presidency. As far as how bright she is, you and Trump are going to learn that to your regret in the next three months. She's not the giggling straw person you've seen in TikTok and Twitter videos.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:16 pm
by flockofseagulls104
silverscreenselect wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:11 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:00 pm
Harris had 3% support before she dropped out of the primaries. You did not have much company.
It is obvious to anyone not living in the bullshit world that she was a DEI choice for VP. Just like Cheatle in the USSS. She has no qualifications on any merit. And she is not very bright. But at least she's not senile.
Harris has learned a lot since her bid for the Presidency. As far as how bright she is, you and Trump are going to learn that to your regret in the next three months. She's not the giggling straw person you've seen in TikTok and Twitter videos.
I think your last 'We'll see' comment didn't work out very well for you. Maybe you should have learned something.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:27 pm
by wbtravis007
silverscreenselect wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:09 pm
Purely my own opinion here, but I think that Biden will wait until after he meets Netanyahu on Tuesday, then announce his resignation. In that way, he puts some distance between Harris and the negative reaction he's gotten from some segments of the Democratic party for his close ties to Netanyahu. That's especially significant in Michigan, where a poll today was very bad for Biden.
I would be shocked if he were to resign.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:31 pm
by Beebs52
silverscreenselect wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:09 pm
Purely my own opinion here, but I think that Biden will wait until after he meets Netanyahu on Tuesday, then announce his resignation. In that way, he puts some distance between Harris and the negative reaction he's gotten from some segments of the Democratic party for his close ties to Netanyahu. That's especially significant in Michigan, where a poll today was very bad for Biden.
What? You mean resign the presidency? Have you been following the news?

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:38 pm
by flockofseagulls104
Beebs52 wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:31 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:09 pm
Purely my own opinion here, but I think that Biden will wait until after he meets Netanyahu on Tuesday, then announce his resignation. In that way, he puts some distance between Harris and the negative reaction he's gotten from some segments of the Democratic party for his close ties to Netanyahu. That's especially significant in Michigan, where a poll today was very bad for Biden.
What? You mean resign the presidency? Have you been following the news?
He thinks biden and Netanyahu have a close relationship? That must be the bullshit world news. I guess he subscribes to the wing of his party that want to compare Netanyahu to hitler.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:15 pm
by Beebs52
Weyoun wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:15 pm
That’s a leader leading.

And now we have a real election.
Agree that now it will be a real election.
Disagree about leader leadind, think it's Jill et al avoiding elder abuse charges.
Will Kamala court the Indian American group?

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 4:40 pm
by earendel
It's over. Trump wins. He might have won anyway, but Biden's resignation just ensures a Republican victory in November. Harris, if she is the nominee, doesn't appear to fare any better in the polls than Biden - though she will prove a much better debater than Biden - and any other candidate doesn't really have the time to build up any momentum. Not to mention the legal quagmire that is sure to follow regarding the use of campaign funds given to the Biden-Harris campaign. I'm quite sure the Republicans are lining up lawyers to take the case to court. The Federal Election Commission won't be able to resolve anything because they are deadlocked 3-3.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 4:56 pm
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:38 pm
He thinks biden and Netanyahu have a close relationship? That must be the bullshit world news.
In the wing of the party that cast 20-30% "uncommitted" votes in the Michigan primary, he is associated closely with Netanyahu. Harris will be able to win them back a lot easier than even a Biden at the top of his game would.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 5:03 pm
by silverscreenselect
earendel wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 4:40 pm
It's over. Trump wins. He might have won anyway, but Biden's resignation just ensures a Republican victory in November. Harris, if she is the nominee, doesn't appear to fare any better in the polls than Biden - though she will prove a much better debater than Biden - and any other candidate doesn't really have the time to build up any momentum.
I disagree, Ear. You underestimate Harris. What I've heard about hypothetical polling is that it's wildly inaccurate because to a large extent, responders transfer their feelings about the actual candidate to possible replacements. There's still the issue of why Democratic Senate candidates outperform Biden by double digits in this states. It's not just Harris who performs equally to Biden, but so do Newsom, Whitmer, and anyone else they ask, while the current Senator is well ahead in their re-election polling.

Unless someone significant steps up to challenge Harris, which I don't see coming, you'll see people responding to an actual Harris vs. Trump election rather than a hypothetical.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 5:06 pm
by flockofseagulls104
silverscreenselect wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 4:56 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:38 pm
He thinks biden and Netanyahu have a close relationship? That must be the bullshit world news.
In the wing of the party that cast 20-30% "uncommitted" votes in the Michigan primary, he is associated closely with Netanyahu. Harris will be able to win them back a lot easier than even a Biden at the top of his game would.
How? By endorsing Hamas? Throwing Israel under the bus like the UN does?

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 5:13 pm
by Beebs52
Interesting, best interest of his party and then the country

"I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me to stand down and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as President for the remainder of my term."

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 5:37 pm
by jarnon
Beebs52 wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 5:13 pm
Interesting, best interest of his party and then the country

“I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me to stand down and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as President for the remainder of my term.”
(Reading his mind the way SSS does) They've convinced him that Harris has a better shot at defeating Trump than he does. He hasn't accepted yet that he can't do the job until he's 86.

Re: Biden will step aside

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 6:12 pm
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 5:06 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 4:56 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:38 pm
He thinks biden and Netanyahu have a close relationship? That must be the bullshit world news.
In the wing of the party that cast 20-30% "uncommitted" votes in the Michigan primary, he is associated closely with Netanyahu. Harris will be able to win them back a lot easier than even a Biden at the top of his game would.
How? By endorsing Hamas? Throwing Israel under the bus like the UN does?
No, just by taking a lower key approach to the subject until after the election. That's what Trump does now whenever someone brings up the subject of reproductive rights or Project 2025.