If not Biden, who do you think and want?

[BackInTex]

The scuttlebutt is that Joe will drop out of the race and release all his delegates wishing for an open convention.

Two questions;
1) who do you think the ticket will be (president and vice president)?

2) who would you like it to be?

They can be the same.

[Beebs52]

Ammon?

[jarnon]

Kamala Harris and Josh Shapiro or Jon Ossoff - younger leaders from swing states

Former Pres. Biden should continue to serve as a senior advisor and Harris surrogate for as long as his health allows.

[BackInTex]

Ammon?

Fixed it. An open convention.

On my phone, wife complaining for me to get off, fat fingers , etc.

[BackInTex]

I think Newsom and Whitmer.

I hope Harris and Buttigieg.

[silverscreenselect]

Kamala Harris and Josh Shapiro or Jon Ossoff - younger leaders from swing states

Former Pres. Biden should continue to serve as a senior advisor and Harris surrogate for as long as his health allows.

I'm hopeful Biden resigns. He can cite health issues. Despite what Flock thinks, Biden's actual decline has been fairly recent, the last couple of months. He was sharp at his State of the Union address; going off script and scrimmaging with some of the Republicans in the gallery. Clooney noted the decline before the debate, and I've read several other reports saying the same thing. From what I've seen of residents where Mrs. SSS now lives, sudden sharp cognitive declines happen frequently.

If Harris is the actual President, I don't think you'll get any serious challengers to her being nominated for a full term, and the confirmation hearing for her VP choice will give them some valuable exposure. I don't think Ossoff will be much help here in Georgia, but Shapiro would deliver Pennsylvania.

[silverscreenselect]

I hope Harris and Buttigieg.

Republicans don't want to see Harris on the campaign trail. Their entire strategy is based of facing Biden and using the imagery of Trump holding up his fist versus a frail-looking Biden. They've got this image of Harris giggling based on videos from the first few months in office when she was admittedly nervous and learning the ropes. She would tear Trump apart in a debate, because she can spot and call him out on lies immediately. She's a very successful former prosecutor.

[flockofseagulls104]

Despite what Flock thinks, Biden's actual decline has been fairly recent

Their entire strategy is based of facing Biden and using the imagery of Trump holding up his fist versus a frail-looking Biden

OMG. Do we need any more proof that trollboy lives in Bullshit World? He only sees what he is told to see, unburdened by what is actually true.

[BackInTex]

I'm hopeful Biden resigns. He can cite health issues. Despite what Flock thinks, Biden's actual decline has been fairly recent, the last couple of months. He was sharp at his State of the Union address; going off script and scrimmaging with some of the Republicans in the gallery. Clooney noted the decline before the debate, and I've read several other reports saying the same thing. From what I've seen of residents where Mrs. SSS now lives, sudden sharp cognitive declines happen frequently.

If Harris is the actual President, I don't think you'll get any serious challengers to her being nominated for a full term, and the confirmation hearing for her VP choice will give them some valuable exposure. I don't think Ossoff will be much help here in Georgia, but Shapiro would deliver Pennsylvania.

I've been in the mental decline observation circumstance for over 15 years as we've watched my wife's uncle Fred and my m-i-l Barbara slowly decline.

Fred was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. HIs initial decline from being completely competent to needing to be in a facility took about 3 years (this is looking back after the diagnosis of course). Once he was put in the facility, the mental decline seemed to accelerate though his physical conditon remained good. It took about 4 years in the facility for him to decline physically, only due to him forgetting to or not wanting to eat.

We started out taking control of Barbara's finances as she was letting herself get scammed on a regular basis. We had to lock down her bank accounts and I have to do quit a bit of forensic accounting to figure out exactly how much she lost. I did manage to get a couple thousand back as we caught some of the fraud withing 60 days of the money being taken.

Then with some concern about her diving so we put a tracking app on her phone (the one thing she alwasy had on her) so we could find her if she got lost. She never did, though there were times she seemed to not be taking the best or direct routes to places she frequented. After about a year we took away her keys.

Then we had her move in with us as she was no longer taking proper care of herself or home. Over the year and a half she lived with us, the decline was slow but noticeable to where she needed to be "baby sat". We took her to a memory care facility during the day while my wife and i worked but she continued to live with us. After the year and a half of her living with us we moved her full-time into a memory care facility. That was August of 2018. She is now in her second facility (we moved her from the Houston are to Weatherford when we moved). Been there almost 3 years now.

Over the 6 years Barbara has been in full-time memory care we've seen over 50 other residents come and go, meaning they enter the facility and then they pass away. Some for short stays, some for several years. We've yet to see someone stay as long as my Barbara has (coming up on 6 years). There is one or two ladies at her current place that have been there almost as long as her. While they have declined noticably, I suspect they may have several more years unless something physical happens to the such as a fall with broken bones which seems to acceleate the decline in health significantly. Barbara fell a few months back and broke her clavicle, but she seems to be doing o.k., or as well as can be expected.

I say all this to point out that the what you've witnessed in the facility where your wife is does happen, but you are seeing the sharp decline of people who were already in a facility. Everything I've seen is that the decline from competence and not needing to be in a facility to needing to be in a facility doesn't happen that fast and that probably like you, loved ones hang on as long as they can before making the hard decision to place the loved one in a facility. Once in the facility, sometimes the decline accelerates.

[BackInTex]

I hope Harris and Buttigieg.

Republicans don't want to see Harris on the campaign trail. Their entire strategy is based of facing Biden and using the imagery of Trump holding up his fist versus a frail-looking Biden. They've got this image of Harris giggling based on videos from the first few months in office when she was admittedly nervous and learning the ropes. She would tear Trump apart in a debate, because she can spot and call him out on lies immediately. She's a very successful former prosecutor.

That's funny right there. Harris' numbers are worse than Biden's. Bring her on (and her word salad speaking)!

[BackInTex]

[tlynn78]

I hope Harris and Buttigieg.

Republicans don't want to see Harris on the campaign trail.

Au contraire. I would LOVE to see it. As would just about every other Republican I know.

[Beebs52]

I think dems should just not vote. I almost was gonna do that, but then regained my senses.
They should just pass on this election.

[tlynn78]

I think dems should just not vote. I almost was gonna do that, but then regained my senses.
They should just pass on this election.

I'm very glad you changed your mind.

[Beebs52]

I think dems should just not vote. I almost was gonna do that, but then regained my senses.
They should just pass on this election.

I'm very glad you changed your mind.

Well duh. I may be cranky but not hopeless

[tlynn78]

I think dems should just not vote. I almost was gonna do that, but then regained my senses.
They should just pass on this election.

I'm very glad you changed your mind.

Well duh. I may be cranky but not hopeless

And wack

[silverscreenselect]

I say all this to point out that the what you've witnessed in the facility where your wife is does happen, but you are seeing the sharp decline of people who were already in a facility.

This is semantics. Some people don't put their loved ones in a facility until a sharp decline occurs. And sharp declines, whether in or out of a facility, can be triggered or accelerated by trauma. In my wife's case, she was reasonably coherent until she fell and broke her hip last December. They had to put pins in, and she has never been the same after that.

Despite what some people on the Bored or on Twitter say, Biden has been pretty sharp for most of his term. He out-negotiated the House Republicans on key legislation. This wasn't done through aides or proxies; this was Biden. The same in international negotiations with foreign leaders. He has had verbal gaffes and stumbles his entire career, caused in large part by his stutter. And the right wing crowd has picked up on that his entire Presidency. If all you see are those twitter clips, you'd think he'd been senile his entire life.

But something has changed in the last couple of months, and the debate was the most glaring example. Biden was sharp at his State of the Union address; he verbally sparred with the Republicans in the gallery, and that wasn't just reading off a teleprompter. But George Clooney noticed a sharp decline between Biden at the big bucks fundraiser in March and his appearance at a similar event in June. Others have reported the same thing.

Alzheimer's is the most common form of dementia, but not the only form. There is something called Rapidly Progressing Dementia, which is fairly rare but does occur. It is often triggered by an external event, or another disease or some other trauma. This can progress in a matter of weeks or even days in rare cases.

It's sometimes easier to see this sort of progression if you don't see a person with dementia frequently. I've been going to my wife's facility three or four times a week since she's been there. However, when she went in the hospital and then the rehab facility, it was about six weeks between my visits to her memory care home. During that time, I noticed two residents who had gotten markedly worse. Would I have spotted that if I'd been going multiple times a week as before? Maybe, maybe not.

Any form of dementia is horrible for the loved ones, and my sympathy and understanding goes out to BiT who has now gone through this twice.

[Beebs52]

My brother died in hospice of frontal temporal dementia. His years prior to his death were rough. Weird belligerence, catheter needed, my sil took care until he wouldn't eat, etc. It was a 5 year process. He was a brilliant guy. That is all.

[Beebs52]

I guess my non political point in re Biden's mental state is that it IS cruel to keep shoving him to run. His determination to keep on may be crankiness, it may be his handlers are evil.

[wbtravis007]

I think dems should just not vote. I almost was gonna do that, but then regained my senses.
They should just pass on this election.

Man, I remember it almost like it was yesterday— but it was many years ago— when you good-naturedly nagged me over and over again about how I must vote. It was fun.

And now you’re telling me not to? That’s funny. I didn’t abide by your advice then, and won’t now. I’ll vote for Biden if I have to, even though my vote in Texas won’t matter any more than yours will.

I’m curious, though, about what caused your change of heart. I’m remembering that you said that you wouldn’t vote after concluding a while back that Trump was a lunatic (or unhinged or insane — not saying that you actually used any of these adjectives specifically, but something like them).

I think that you were correct back then when you reached that conclusion about him.

Wha’ happened?

[kroxquo]

This thread just jumped to the top of the bored in relevance.

I don't believe there is any reason to think that Harris will not get the nomination. Her running mate is an interesting question. I'm going to go out on a limb and go with Roy Cooper because

1. He is the governor of a swing state who is popular with Democrats
2. He has proven he can win even in a Republican year. In 2020, he won re-election in a year when the state elected a Rep. US Senator, majority Rep. Cabinet, and went for Trump.
3. He would balance the ticket geographically (although that is not as much of a consideration as it used to be).
4. He is term-limited at the end of this year and so will not leave a vulnerable gubernatorial seat. The election for his successor is already underway (and please dear God, if you live in NC, do not let Rep. Mark Robinson win). Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Whitmer would both have to vacate their seats.

I don't see Gavin Newsome accepting a VP bid.

[Beebs52]

I think dems should just not vote. I almost was gonna do that, but then regained my senses.
They should just pass on this election.

Man, I remember it almost like it was yesterday— but it was many years ago— when you good-naturedly nagged me over and over again about how I must vote. It was fun.

And now you’re telling me not to? That’s funny. I didn’t abide by your advice then, and won’t now. I’ll vote for Biden if I have to, even though my vote in Texas won’t matter any more than yours will.

I’m curious, though, about what caused your change of heart. I’m remembering that you said that you wouldn’t vote after concluding a while back that Trump was a lunatic (or unhinged or insane — not saying that you actually used any of these adjectives specifically, but something like them).

I think that you were correct back then when you reached that conclusion about him.

Wha’ happened?

It was a bit of a sarcafont thing.
Back in the day I really thought you should vote regardless. I have come around to that again. Even with weird candidates. Think Trump has ratcheted back a lot of his bullshit, but anything is better than dems.

[Bob78164]

I don't see Gavin Newsome accepting a VP bid.

Due to the 12th Amendment, I don't see Governor Newsom (note the correct spelling) getting a VP bid. --Bob

[kroxquo]

I don't see Gavin Newsome accepting a VP bid.

Due to the 12th Amendment, I don't see Governor Newsom (note the correct spelling) getting a VP bid. --Bob

Correct on both points. Thank-you for fact checking me. I'll be more careful next time.