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1) I highly doubt this failure by the Secret Service was an isolated incident. We've been spoiled by movies like Day of the Jackal and In the Line of Fire into believing that political assassins are highly trained specialists with exotic weapons who hatch intricate plots to get close to their targets. This was a 20-year-old kid with no military, police, or security training who walked into what should have been a high security area carrying a rifle and got into a position with an excellent line of fire with relatively minimal effort. He learned about the event about 10 days earlier when it was announced to the public and had some opportunity to scout the surroundings. It would be a huge fluke if the one time the Secret Service had such a lapse in preparation (they identified the area where the shots were fired as a vulnerability but didn't secure it) was the one time a would-be assassin was on hand. Similar lapses have probably occurred several other times at other events. But it's like leaving your door unlocked when you go out. Most of the time nobody is going to enter and steal anything, but it's an incredibly dumb thing to do.
2) The Republicans have a chance to tone down the rhetoric significantly about this campaign. Blaming the Democrats or the press is business as usual. (J.D. Vance probably cost himself any chance of a vice-presidential bid). If Trump, his VP, and the other speakers strike the same tone, referring to Senile Joe and millions of people coming from prisons and mental institutions, and fighting like Hell, we'll be right back where we started. The Democrats can also tone down rhetoric, but it's more important at this particular time for the Republicans, because their convention starts today and they're going to be more heavily scrutinized with the increased publicity and national TV exposure the convention gets. After the assassination attempt, there will be even more coverage of the convention than usual. If Marjorie Taylor Greene addresses the convention in prime time, that could be an open invitation for vitriol. On the Democratic side, Biden may have staved off calls for his replacement unless he makes another major gaffe in the next few days. Not surprisingly, no Democrates talked to reporters, on or off the record, about Biden's fitness Sunday. Instead, he addressed the nation twice, the second time from the Oval Office in prime time (the first such speech since the war in Gaza started). He was at his best, no gaffes, no stuttering, firm but empathetic and calling for unity. And this speech came at the end of a day spent in crisis mode with advisors (which reports are he handled well). That's the type of President voters want to see in difficult times.
2) The Republicans have a chance to tone down the rhetoric significantly about this campaign. Blaming the Democrats or the press is business as usual. (J.D. Vance probably cost himself any chance of a vice-presidential bid). If Trump, his VP, and the other speakers strike the same tone, referring to Senile Joe and millions of people coming from prisons and mental institutions, and fighting like Hell, we'll be right back where we started. The Democrats can also tone down rhetoric, but it's more important at this particular time for the Republicans, because their convention starts today and they're going to be more heavily scrutinized with the increased publicity and national TV exposure the convention gets. After the assassination attempt, there will be even more coverage of the convention than usual. If Marjorie Taylor Greene addresses the convention in prime time, that could be an open invitation for vitriol. On the Democratic side, Biden may have staved off calls for his replacement unless he makes another major gaffe in the next few days. Not surprisingly, no Democrates talked to reporters, on or off the record, about Biden's fitness Sunday. Instead, he addressed the nation twice, the second time from the Oval Office in prime time (the first such speech since the war in Gaza started). He was at his best, no gaffes, no stuttering, firm but empathetic and calling for unity. And this speech came at the end of a day spent in crisis mode with advisors (which reports are he handled well). That's the type of President voters want to see in difficult times.
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I don't get what your point is here. How can a guy get within 150 yards of the former President - with a rifle in his hands - crawl up on a roof - with many people pointing this out - for several minutes - no law enforcement officer responding - and was able to get off several shots at his target?silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 7:20 am1) I highly doubt this failure by the Secret Service was an isolated incident. We've been spoiled by movies like Day of the Jackal and In the Line of Fire into believing that political assassins are highly trained specialists with exotic weapons who hatch intricate plots to get close to their targets. This was a 20-year-old kid with no military, police, or security training who walked into what should have been a high security area carrying a rifle and got into a position with an excellent line of fire with relatively minimal effort. He learned about the event about 10 days earlier when it was announced to the public and had some opportunity to scout the surroundings. It would be a huge fluke if the one time the Secret Service had such a lapse in preparation (they identified the area where the shots were fired as a vulnerability but didn't secure it) was the one time a would-be assassin was on hand. Similar lapses have probably occurred several other times at other events. But it's like leaving your door unlocked when you go out. Most of the time nobody is going to enter and steal anything, but it's an incredibly dumb thing to do.
Trump is the highest assassination target on earth. Many of the bullshit world's spokespeople literally called for biden to take him out in the wake of the immunity ruling last week. Even on this bored. Biden called for his donors to put him in the bullseye on July 8th. (Remember the stink when Palin had a bullseye on one of her ads several years ago?) Yet the DHS and the Secret Service had denied several requests for more resources to protect him. There are a lot of questions to be answered, and there needs to be changes and accountability.
You are so off base here. Trump has been the target of the most vicious, disgusting and neverending rhetoric and attacks since he entered politics. The Democrats are trying to bankrupt Trump, throw him in jail, kick him off the ballot and now kill him. It is the democrats and the media conglomerate that need to not only tone down their rhetoric, but actively engage in retracting it. Another step in unweaving the lawfare, which is a part of this coordinated campaign to take out Trump, has occurred with the dismissal of the Jack Smith's bullshit indictment.2) The Republicans have a chance to tone down the rhetoric significantly about this campaign. Blaming the Democrats or the press is business as usual. (J.D. Vance probably cost himself any chance of a vice-presidential bid). If Trump, his VP, and the other speakers strike the same tone, referring to Senile Joe and millions of people coming from prisons and mental institutions, and fighting like Hell, we'll be right back where we started. The Democrats can also tone down rhetoric, but it's more important at this particular time for the Republicans, because their convention starts today and they're going to be more heavily scrutinized with the increased publicity and national TV exposure the convention gets. After the assassination attempt, there will be even more coverage of the convention than usual. If Marjorie Taylor Greene addresses the convention in prime time, that could be an open invitation for vitriol. On the Democratic side, Biden may have staved off calls for his replacement unless he makes another major gaffe in the next few days. Not surprisingly, no Democrates talked to reporters, on or off the record, about Biden's fitness Sunday. Instead, he addressed the nation twice, the second time from the Oval Office in prime time (the first such speech since the war in Gaza started). He was at his best, no gaffes, no stuttering, firm but empathetic and calling for unity. And this speech came at the end of a day spent in crisis mode with advisors (which reports are he handled well). That's the type of President voters want to see in difficult times.
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The Democrats can also tone down rhetoric, but it's more important at this particular time for the Republicans?
That is laughable. The Democrats and their media have constantly comapared to and even called Trump HItler.
Hitler has been taught to be the most terrible human ever to exists and we have been taught about all the opportunities the world had or should have had to stop him. Then some loon tries to take him ("Hitler") out, and it's the Republicans that need to tone it down?
Dems and their media constantly report "if Trump wins, this will likely be the last election our country will ever have."
Then some look tries to take him out, and it's the Republicans that need to tone it down?
Observation 3: Not a single main stream media person blamed Biden for his "time to put Trump in the bullseye" comment. But they were all over Sarah Pailn's campaign ad putting Gabby Giffords in crosshairs as a contributing if not the factor in her attempted assasination. I believe neither had anything to do with either shooting, but apparently the media does.
That is laughable. The Democrats and their media have constantly comapared to and even called Trump HItler.
Hitler has been taught to be the most terrible human ever to exists and we have been taught about all the opportunities the world had or should have had to stop him. Then some loon tries to take him ("Hitler") out, and it's the Republicans that need to tone it down?
Dems and their media constantly report "if Trump wins, this will likely be the last election our country will ever have."
Then some look tries to take him out, and it's the Republicans that need to tone it down?
Observation 3: Not a single main stream media person blamed Biden for his "time to put Trump in the bullseye" comment. But they were all over Sarah Pailn's campaign ad putting Gabby Giffords in crosshairs as a contributing if not the factor in her attempted assasination. I believe neither had anything to do with either shooting, but apparently the media does.
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It's more important for Republicans because they have center stage right now because of their convention. Democrats were already going to tread somewhat lightly this week, because that's the nature of convention politics. I remember when Clinton was first nominated, he played softball with his advisers all week during the Republican convention and pointedly avoided campaigning. Whatever any Democrat says this week will be pretty much ignored by the press anyway. But whatever Republicans say will be scrutinized very carefully. The situations would be reversed if the Democratic convention was this week.
Biden has pulled his advertising for now, and I expect his tone in the Lester Holt interview to be more conciliatory. I also expect Holt to do less probing into Biden's fitness than he might have otherwise.
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What I'm saying is that I don't think this was the only major lapse in Secret Service coverage of major events, not just for Trump but for anyone? Trump holds more outdoor events where such things are more likely than most politicians do, but my guess is that if you look back at Biden events and further back to Obama events, you'll see some of the same sloppiness. Laxness becomes a culture. Should it be addressed and corrected? Of course. But I don't think this had anything to do with this particular rally or Trump in particular.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 8:42 amI don't get what your point is here. How can a guy get within 150 yards of the former President - with a rifle in his hands - crawl up on a roof - with many people pointing this out - for several minutes - no law enforcement officer responding - and was able to get off several shots at his target?
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Author Michael Chabon addressed this in a tweet that's gone viral:
Michael Chabon wrote:Please don’t let it turn out to have been a time traveler from the future.
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This was not sloppiness. Are we now making excuses to deflect from the possibility this was an inside setup? I am not yet prepared to give any of those theories any credence, but I cannot think of any alternative scenario that explains the situation as I know it. I have seen several videos and testimonies of private citizens filming this guy crawling up the roof and trying to alert authorities several minutes before the shots were fired. The authorities were there with one job: to keep Trump alive. The sharpshooter was apparently looking in the direction of the shooter well before the shots were taken. Why didn't anyone intervene in any way? Why was Trump not taken off the stage? When the sharpshooter fired, he did not move the rifle in another direction, he just changed the elevation of the shot. So many questions to be answered. And with the completely compromised and conflicted FBI and DOJ in charge of the 'investigation', will we ever know any answers, or will they make up a narrative and stick with it regardless of evidence? Like they did and continue to do with 2020.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:09 amWhat I'm saying is that I don't think this was the only major lapse in Secret Service coverage of major events, not just for Trump but for anyone? Trump holds more outdoor events where such things are more likely than most politicians do, but my guess is that if you look back at Biden events and further back to Obama events, you'll see some of the same sloppiness. Laxness becomes a culture. Should it be addressed and corrected? Of course. But I don't think this had anything to do with this particular rally or Trump in particular.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 8:42 amI don't get what your point is here. How can a guy get within 150 yards of the former President - with a rifle in his hands - crawl up on a roof - with many people pointing this out - for several minutes - no law enforcement officer responding - and was able to get off several shots at his target?
Do they not show you these things in bullshit world?
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Anyone who approves of this tweet is a disgusting human being. Author Michael Chabon is a disgusting human being.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:11 amAuthor Michael Chabon addressed this in a tweet that's gone viral:
Michael Chabon wrote:Please don’t let it turn out to have been a time traveler from the future.
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So you're saying that "they" recruited an unstable 20-year-old kid and sent him out on this mission. The authorities have the kid's cell phone and any other computers and they have access to his emails and social media history. They'll be able to figure out who he was in contact with. I wouldn't hold my breath on that. People who commit mass shootings tend to be loners, which this kid sounds like.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:36 am
This was not sloppiness. Are we now making excuses to deflect from the possibility this was an inside setup? I am not yet prepared to give any of those theories any credence, but I cannot think of any alternative scenario that explains the situation as I know it.
Did you ever see video on the Reagan shooting? It's unthinkable that an armed gunman could get within 20 feet of the President but it happened. Or was that another Democratic conspiracy to get Reagan as well?
Seemingly unthinkable levels of negligence and incompetence happen. Look at Chernobyl.
An author named Bob Mayer has written a book that looks at great disasters throughout history, from the Titanic to the Challenger explosion and how they could have been avoided. His theory is that these things don't happen in a vacuum but that they are the end result of a series of what he calls "cascading events," that eventually result in catastrophe. Here's a link to his book: https://www.amazon.com/Green-Beret-Guid ... 09P6QM9CH/
I'm sure that if he updates this book in a few years, Saturday's shooting will be included.
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The depth of your willful ignorance is unfathomable. Whoops, it was a mistake. No need to look any further. No need to make changes. I think you are a deep fake.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:10 amSo you're saying that "they" recruited an unstable 20-year-old kid and sent him out on this mission. The authorities have the kid's cell phone and any other computers and they have access to his emails and social media history. They'll be able to figure out who he was in contact with. I wouldn't hold my breath on that. People who commit mass shootings tend to be loners, which this kid sounds like.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:36 am
This was not sloppiness. Are we now making excuses to deflect from the possibility this was an inside setup? I am not yet prepared to give any of those theories any credence, but I cannot think of any alternative scenario that explains the situation as I know it.
Did you ever see video on the Reagan shooting? It's unthinkable that an armed gunman could get within 20 feet of the President but it happened. Or was that another Democratic conspiracy to get Reagan as well?
Seemingly unthinkable levels of negligence and incompetence happen. Look at Chernobyl.
An author named Bob Mayer has written a book that looks at great disasters throughout history, from the Titanic to the Challenger explosion and how they could have been avoided. His theory is that these things don't happen in a vacuum but that they are the end result of a series of what he calls "cascading events," that eventually result in catastrophe. Here's a link to his book: https://www.amazon.com/Green-Beret-Guid ... 09P6QM9CH/
I'm sure that if he updates this book in a few years, Saturday's shooting will be included.
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The depth of your lack of comprehension is unfathomable. I never said there was no need to make changes. The point of Mayer's book was the need to make changes by analyzing what went wrong and correcting it. And not just in the situations that were listed in the book: sinking ships, collapsing dams, explosions, etc. but in more common everyday situations that individuals and businesses face.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:35 amThe depth of your willful ignorance is unfathomable. Whoops, it was a mistake. No need to look any further. No need to make changes. I think you are a deep fake.
One of the disasters Mayer discusses is the Battle of Little Big Horn. He notes that one of Custer's mistakes was the failure to send scouts out which would have revealed that he was going into battle against a far superior force than he originally anticipated. I doubt very many people on this Bored are commanding troops in combat, but Custer's mistake still has real life significance. How many people really know the best exits from their office building, or where the fire extinguishers are located? How many people know how to get to the closest emergency room if they need to in the middle of the night?
Some of the mistakes the Secret Service made here were undoubtedly specific to this location, but others may have had something to do with failures in the command and reporting structure. Who scouted the property beforehand and noted the vulnerability? Why wasn't this acted on? I can't believe that police haven't uncovered similar vulnerabilities at other events, and my hunch is that there's a laxness in the way those in charge investigated and responded before the event.That's what needs to be corrected. And again, we've got enormous amounts of evidence that higher ups in government and business don't react properly or promptly to red flags they receive in general.
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Here's my theory: Trump wasn't shot. He's been wearing a little explosive clip on the very top of his ear under his hairdo for quite a while, and the plan has been for one of Roger Stone's lackeys to set it off remotely in the event that gunshots were ever fired at a rally.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:36 amThis was not sloppiness. Are we now making excuses to deflect from the possibility this was an inside setup? I am not yet prepared to give any of those theories any credence, but I cannot think of any alternative scenario that explains the situation as I know it.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:09 amWhat I'm saying is that I don't think this was the only major lapse in Secret Service coverage of major events, not just for Trump but for anyone? Trump holds more outdoor events where such things are more likely than most politicians do, but my guess is that if you look back at Biden events and further back to Obama events, you'll see some of the same sloppiness. Laxness becomes a culture. Should it be addressed and corrected? Of course. But I don't think this had anything to do with this particular rally or Trump in particular.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 8:42 amI don't get what your point is here. How can a guy get within 150 yards of the former President - with a rifle in his hands - crawl up on a roof - with many people pointing this out - for several minutes - no law enforcement officer responding - and was able to get off several shots at his target?
It worked!
I'm sure they'll figure this out one of these days, but it will be too late by then.
And the TDS-driven MAGA nuts will still go on believing that this was a Democrat (or Biden) plot in their own little bullshit world.
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Instead, it got him the bid.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 7:20 am(J.D. Vance probably cost himself any chance of a vice-presidential bid).
For months, I've been asking myself, "Who would Putin pick as the orange felon's new running mate? Who is the most useful and most idiotic of all of Putin's useful idiots?" The first name that came to my mind wasn't Lindsey Graham, but J.D. Vance. Even Joe Scarborough predicted a few weeks ago that Vance would be the pick after that cultish press conference that Vance, Vivek Whatshisname, and others did at Former Guy's trial. But Vance's tone-deaf response this weekend after the assassination attempt sealed it.
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Thanks for confirming Trump made the right pick.Pastor Fireball wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:34 pmInstead, it got him the bid.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 7:20 am(J.D. Vance probably cost himself any chance of a vice-presidential bid).
For months, I've been asking myself, "Who would Putin pick as the orange felon's new running mate? Who is the most useful and most idiotic of all of Putin's useful idiots?" The first name that came to my mind wasn't Lindsey Graham, but J.D. Vance. Even Joe Scarborough predicted a few weeks ago that Vance would be the pick after that cultish press conference that Vance, Vivek Whatshisname, and others did at Former Guy's trial. But Vance's tone-deaf response this weekend after the assassination attempt sealed it.
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Right? Imagine obsessing for months over the opposition's possible running mate. I guess when your own party spoon feeds you the party ticket and allows you no choice, that's all you've got.BackInTex wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:38 pmThanks for confirming Trump made the right pick.Pastor Fireball wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:34 pmInstead, it got him the bid.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 7:20 am(J.D. Vance probably cost himself any chance of a vice-presidential bid).
For months, I've been asking myself, "Who would Putin pick as the orange felon's new running mate? Who is the most useful and most idiotic of all of Putin's useful idiots?" The first name that came to my mind wasn't Lindsey Graham, but J.D. Vance. Even Joe Scarborough predicted a few weeks ago that Vance would be the pick after that cultish press conference that Vance, Vivek Whatshisname, and others did at Former Guy's trial. But Vance's tone-deaf response this weekend after the assassination attempt sealed it.
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Oh yes, thanks for bringing that subject up.
In terms of rhetoric, the DC Conglomerate (Dems, RINOs and mostly the DC entrenched bureaucracy) made up the 'russian interference' hoax, and made up the story that trump was an agent of putin. So here's another chance for some 'not all there' individual to become a hero by taking out trump. Once again based on lies originated by Hillary's campaign and amplified by the press controlled by the intelligence agencies. And people like you still believe it even in the face of the proven lies they continue to tell you and much factual evidence that it's patently false.
Yeah, the right-wing press needs to tone down their rhetoric.
In terms of rhetoric, the DC Conglomerate (Dems, RINOs and mostly the DC entrenched bureaucracy) made up the 'russian interference' hoax, and made up the story that trump was an agent of putin. So here's another chance for some 'not all there' individual to become a hero by taking out trump. Once again based on lies originated by Hillary's campaign and amplified by the press controlled by the intelligence agencies. And people like you still believe it even in the face of the proven lies they continue to tell you and much factual evidence that it's patently false.
Yeah, the right-wing press needs to tone down their rhetoric.
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So "they" can organize tens of thousands of people to pull of an election scam of unprecedented scale with no one giving it away; and "they" can manipulate the media corporations to feed their own fabricated stories to the world; and "they" can control tens of thousands of judges, lawyers, and their staffs to rig the legal system with no one giving it away; and "they" can degrade law enforcement agencies to the point of ineffectuality; but the best "they" can do when it comes to assassination is a 20 year old kid with no background or experience in black ops. Sounds reasonable.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:36 amThis was not sloppiness. Are we now making excuses to deflect from the possibility this was an inside setup? I am not yet prepared to give any of those theories any credence, but I cannot think of any alternative scenario that explains the situation as I know it. I have seen several videos and testimonies of private citizens filming this guy crawling up the roof and trying to alert authorities several minutes before the shots were fired. The authorities were there with one job: to keep Trump alive. The sharpshooter was apparently looking in the direction of the shooter well before the shots were taken. Why didn't anyone intervene in any way? Why was Trump not taken off the stage? When the sharpshooter fired, he did not move the rifle in another direction, he just changed the elevation of the shot. So many questions to be answered. And with the completely compromised and conflicted FBI and DOJ in charge of the 'investigation', will we ever know any answers, or will they make up a narrative and stick with it regardless of evidence? Like they did and continue to do with 2020.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:09 amWhat I'm saying is that I don't think this was the only major lapse in Secret Service coverage of major events, not just for Trump but for anyone? Trump holds more outdoor events where such things are more likely than most politicians do, but my guess is that if you look back at Biden events and further back to Obama events, you'll see some of the same sloppiness. Laxness becomes a culture. Should it be addressed and corrected? Of course. But I don't think this had anything to do with this particular rally or Trump in particular.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 8:42 amI don't get what your point is here. How can a guy get within 150 yards of the former President - with a rifle in his hands - crawl up on a roof - with many people pointing this out - for several minutes - no law enforcement officer responding - and was able to get off several shots at his target?
Do they not show you these things in bullshit world?
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Yes, krox. THEY can do it. In the case of elections, THEY are doing it. THEY have worked for years and billions of dollars creating plans and schemes to do this to other countries. Because their power is threatened, THEY are doing it here. I have seen evidence and independently verified it that is being completely denied by TPTB. Just look what's happening NOW in Georgia (after 4 frickin years of being swept under the rug by TPTB). Many people HAVE 'given it away'. But THEY get opposing views censored and 'debunked' using the media. THEY get people who oppose them indicted and jailed.kroxquo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:52 pmSo "they" can organize tens of thousands of people to pull of an election scam of unprecedented scale with no one giving it away; and "they" can manipulate the media corporations to feed their own fabricated stories to the world; and "they" can control tens of thousands of judges, lawyers, and their staffs to rig the legal system with no one giving it away; and "they" can degrade law enforcement agencies to the point of ineffectuality; but the best "they" can do when it comes to assassination is a 20 year old kid with no background or experience in black ops. Sounds reasonable.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:36 amThis was not sloppiness. Are we now making excuses to deflect from the possibility this was an inside setup? I am not yet prepared to give any of those theories any credence, but I cannot think of any alternative scenario that explains the situation as I know it. I have seen several videos and testimonies of private citizens filming this guy crawling up the roof and trying to alert authorities several minutes before the shots were fired. The authorities were there with one job: to keep Trump alive. The sharpshooter was apparently looking in the direction of the shooter well before the shots were taken. Why didn't anyone intervene in any way? Why was Trump not taken off the stage? When the sharpshooter fired, he did not move the rifle in another direction, he just changed the elevation of the shot. So many questions to be answered. And with the completely compromised and conflicted FBI and DOJ in charge of the 'investigation', will we ever know any answers, or will they make up a narrative and stick with it regardless of evidence? Like they did and continue to do with 2020.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:09 am
What I'm saying is that I don't think this was the only major lapse in Secret Service coverage of major events, not just for Trump but for anyone? Trump holds more outdoor events where such things are more likely than most politicians do, but my guess is that if you look back at Biden events and further back to Obama events, you'll see some of the same sloppiness. Laxness becomes a culture. Should it be addressed and corrected? Of course. But I don't think this had anything to do with this particular rally or Trump in particular.
Do they not show you these things in bullshit world?
I have not ventured a distinct opinion on what happened in the assassination attempt. I am just asking the questions right now that have to be answered.
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Michael Chabon is a Pulitzer Prize winning novelist. He also was the executive producer and showrunner for Star Trek: Picard and wrote several episodes in the first season.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:42 amAnyone who approves of this tweet is a disgusting human being. Author Michael Chabon is a disgusting human being.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:11 amAuthor Michael Chabon addressed this in a tweet that's gone viral:
Michael Chabon wrote:Please don’t let it turn out to have been a time traveler from the future.
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Is any of that relevant to what flocking saying regarding the Tweet?silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 4:15 pmMichael Chabon is a Pulitzer Prize winning novelist. He also was the executive producer and showrunner for Star Trek: Picard and wrote several episodes in the first season.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:42 amAnyone who approves of this tweet is a disgusting human being. Author Michael Chabon is a disgusting human being.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:11 am
Author Michael Chabon addressed this in a tweet that's gone viral:
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I just wanted to point out that he's not some fringe wacko.BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:24 pmIs any of that relevant to what flocking saying regarding the Tweet?silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 4:15 pmMichael Chabon is a Pulitzer Prize winning novelist. He also was the executive producer and showrunner for Star Trek: Picard and wrote several episodes in the first season.
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So he's a common leftist wacko. You don't have to explore the outer fringe of the left to find the wackos. They fill much of the left's core.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 8:09 pmI just wanted to point out that he's not some fringe wacko.BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:24 pmIs any of that relevant to what flocking saying regarding the Tweet?silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 4:15 pmMichael Chabon is a Pulitzer Prize winning novelist. He also was the executive producer and showrunner for Star Trek: Picard and wrote several episodes in the first season.
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War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.
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War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
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Most people in Hollywood are fringe whackos.They design the bullshit world.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 8:09 pmI just wanted to point out that he's not some fringe wacko.BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:24 pmIs any of that relevant to what flocking saying regarding the Tweet?silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 4:15 pmMichael Chabon is a Pulitzer Prize winning novelist. He also was the executive producer and showrunner for Star Trek: Picard and wrote several episodes in the first season.
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flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:20 amOh, the media doesn't lie to us?
Read 1984. The Ministry of Truth at work.
https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/ ... rcna163317When Harris became Biden’s “border czar,” as critics called her, the administration was under pressure from both sides to address the rising number of migrants — particularly unaccompanied children — crossing the border and landing in poor conditions in U.S. custody. On March 24, 2021, Biden took the stage at the White House and seemed to hand the keys on the issue over to his vice president.
“The vice president has agreed — among the multiple other things that I have her leading, and I appreciate it — agreed to lead our diplomatic effort to work with those nations to accept returnees and enhance migration enforcement at their borders,” Biden said. In accepting the task, Harris made her role more specific, describing largely diplomatic responsibilities. “I look forward to engaging in diplomacy with government, with the private sector, with civil society and the leaders of each in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras to strengthen democracy and the rule of law and ensure shared prosperity in the region. We will collaborate with Mexico and other countries throughout the Western Hemisphere.”
Harris was never named the "border czar" and it's difficult to imagine any President using that term in an official announcement about someone's duties. Her mission was to work with the governments of El Salvador, Guatamala, and Honduras to improve conditions there and reduce the influx of refugees from those countries. Her task was nowhere near the Mexican border.
Reporters were quick to pick up on the use of the term "border czar" to describe Harris, but her duties did not involve anything regarding the border. The reporters may have been sloppy then in describing her duties, but it doesn't change what those duties actually were. And Harris's work was a success. From the same article:
Not the Ministry of Truth. The actual Truth.Since 2021, immigration from the Central American countries of Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, once the leaders in illegal immigration across the southwest border, has fallen from 86,089 in March 2021 to 25,015 in June 2024, according to Customs and Border Protection data.
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