Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
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Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
An Arizona House committee has advanced a bill that would allow landowners legally to shoot and kill anyone crossing their property without permission. Even if the property is thousands of acres and the people are nowhere near any buildings. The bill, if enacted, is expected to authorize the murder of dozens of migrants each year.
Silly me. I thought human life was more precious than property rights. I guess I'm just behind the times. --Bob
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
I'm thinking if warnings to exit, remove, etc should be required. A bit extreme. Tho does the castle doctrine have caveats?
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
Yes, silly you. To try and prevent one of doc's famous extrapolations, I do not agree with this bill. But if the border was closed and enforced as it should be, this would not even be considered. Unintended consequences to leftist lawlessness.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:17 pmAn Arizona House committee has advanced a bill that would allow landowners legally to shoot and kill anyone crossing their property without permission. Even if the property is thousands of acres and the people are nowhere near any buildings. The bill, if enacted, is expected to authorize the murder of dozens of migrants each year.
Silly me. I thought human life was more precious than property rights. I guess I'm just behind the times. --Bob
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
What the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
Don't bother to point out any specifics. To booby and company, it's 'Open Season'. Nothing anyone else says will make a dent. That is now the official narrative and cannot be strayed from. Just watch. Either more excuses, some ubiquitous personal attacks, a link or two to one of their 'experts', cries of racism or some other ism, or they will move on to another of their narrative topics.jarnon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pmWhat the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
Hold on Flock. I axed an actual question and got an answer.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:04 pmDon't bother to point out any specifics. To booby and company, it's 'Open Season'. Nothing anyone else says will make a dent. That is now the official narrative and cannot be strayed from. Just watch. Either more excuses, some ubiquitous personal attacks, a link or two to one of their 'experts', cries of racism or some other ism, or they will move on to another of their narrative topics.jarnon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pmWhat the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
Sorry. Not used to actual answers here.Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:17 pmHold on Flock. I axed an actual question and got an answer.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:04 pmDon't bother to point out any specifics. To booby and company, it's 'Open Season'. Nothing anyone else says will make a dent. That is now the official narrative and cannot be strayed from. Just watch. Either more excuses, some ubiquitous personal attacks, a link or two to one of their 'experts', cries of racism or some other ism, or they will move on to another of their narrative topics.jarnon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pmWhat the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
Of course, the way this will play out is people will go out armed, shoot first, ask questions later, and then claim they reasonably believed the people they were stalking were about to use force against them. --Bobjarnon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pmWhat the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
Bingo. Excuses based on his biases.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:16 pmOf course, the way this will play out is people will go out armed, shoot first, ask questions later, and then claim they reasonably believed the people they were stalking were about to use force against them. --Bobjarnon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pmWhat the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
Wasn't this supposed to happen already in Texas when we adopted Constitutional Carry. It hasn't by the way.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:16 pmOf course, the way this will play out is people will go out armed, shoot first, ask questions later, and then claim they reasonably believed the people they were stalking were about to use force against them. --Bobjarnon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pmWhat the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
Folks are too busy shooting school childrenBackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:12 pmWasn't this supposed to happen already in Texas when we adopted Constitutional Carry. It hasn't by the way.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:16 pmOf course, the way this will play out is people will go out armed, shoot first, ask questions later, and then claim they reasonably believed the people they were stalking were about to use force against them. --Bobjarnon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pmWhat the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
But thank God they aren't shooting school embryos, right?
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
Don't worry, padre, there's still plenty of places one can rip a baby from it's mother's womb piece by piece.Pastor Fireball wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:11 pmBut thank God they aren't shooting school embryos, right?
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
Nah, there are also knives
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and I'm sure a LEGALLY procured gun
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and I'm sure a LEGALLY procured gun
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
Apparently you don't believe psychopathy, bad parenting, etc contribute to, well, undesirable results. Or actual enforcement of existing laws. Cite statistics for your condemnation of just Texas.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
No need to change the law when the prosecutor is incapable of enforcing the existing law.
State prosecutors won't retry 75-year-old Arizona rancher accused of fatally shooting unarmed migrant
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
Gee, I wonder where they got that notion?jarnon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:57 pmNo need to change the law when the prosecutor is incapable of enforcing the existing law.
State prosecutors won't retry 75-year-old Arizona rancher accused of fatally shooting unarmed migrant
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
Perhaps he was too mentally confused and they would never get a conviction. Or maybe he didn't really mean any harm. Both valid excuses for getting away with actual crimes these days. If you're a high ranking democrat.jarnon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:57 pmNo need to change the law when the prosecutor is incapable of enforcing the existing law.
State prosecutors won't retry 75-year-old Arizona rancher accused of fatally shooting unarmed migrant
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants
I’m curious about what your friend who lives in South Texas thinks about this.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:58 pmPerhaps he was too mentally confused and they would never get a conviction. Or maybe he didn't really mean any harm. Both valid excuses for getting away with actual crimes these days. If you're a high ranking democrat.jarnon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:57 pmNo need to change the law when the prosecutor is incapable of enforcing the existing law.
State prosecutors won't retry 75-year-old Arizona rancher accused of fatally shooting unarmed migrant