Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants

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Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants

#1 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:17 pm

An Arizona House committee has advanced a bill that would allow landowners legally to shoot and kill anyone crossing their property without permission. Even if the property is thousands of acres and the people are nowhere near any buildings. The bill, if enacted, is expected to authorize the murder of dozens of migrants each year.

Silly me. I thought human life was more precious than property rights. I guess I'm just behind the times. --Bob
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#2 Post by Beebs52 » Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:39 pm

I'm thinking if warnings to exit, remove, etc should be required. A bit extreme. Tho does the castle doctrine have caveats?
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants

#3 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:43 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:17 pm
An Arizona House committee has advanced a bill that would allow landowners legally to shoot and kill anyone crossing their property without permission. Even if the property is thousands of acres and the people are nowhere near any buildings. The bill, if enacted, is expected to authorize the murder of dozens of migrants each year.

Silly me. I thought human life was more precious than property rights. I guess I'm just behind the times. --Bob
Yes, silly you. To try and prevent one of doc's famous extrapolations, I do not agree with this bill. But if the border was closed and enforced as it should be, this would not even be considered. Unintended consequences to leftist lawlessness.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants

#4 Post by jarnon » Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pm

What the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants

#5 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:04 pm

jarnon wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pm
What the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
Don't bother to point out any specifics. To booby and company, it's 'Open Season'. Nothing anyone else says will make a dent. That is now the official narrative and cannot be strayed from. Just watch. Either more excuses, some ubiquitous personal attacks, a link or two to one of their 'experts', cries of racism or some other ism, or they will move on to another of their narrative topics.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants

#6 Post by Beebs52 » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:17 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:04 pm
jarnon wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pm
What the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
Don't bother to point out any specifics. To booby and company, it's 'Open Season'. Nothing anyone else says will make a dent. That is now the official narrative and cannot be strayed from. Just watch. Either more excuses, some ubiquitous personal attacks, a link or two to one of their 'experts', cries of racism or some other ism, or they will move on to another of their narrative topics.
Hold on Flock. I axed an actual question and got an answer.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants

#7 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:42 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:17 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:04 pm
jarnon wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pm
What the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
Don't bother to point out any specifics. To booby and company, it's 'Open Season'. Nothing anyone else says will make a dent. That is now the official narrative and cannot be strayed from. Just watch. Either more excuses, some ubiquitous personal attacks, a link or two to one of their 'experts', cries of racism or some other ism, or they will move on to another of their narrative topics.
Hold on Flock. I axed an actual question and got an answer.
Sorry. Not used to actual answers here.
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants

#8 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:16 pm

jarnon wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pm
What the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
Of course, the way this will play out is people will go out armed, shoot first, ask questions later, and then claim they reasonably believed the people they were stalking were about to use force against them. --Bob
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants

#9 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:52 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:16 pm
jarnon wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pm
What the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
Of course, the way this will play out is people will go out armed, shoot first, ask questions later, and then claim they reasonably believed the people they were stalking were about to use force against them. --Bob
Bingo. Excuses based on his biases.
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#10 Post by BackInTex » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:12 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:16 pm
jarnon wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pm
What the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
Of course, the way this will play out is people will go out armed, shoot first, ask questions later, and then claim they reasonably believed the people they were stalking were about to use force against them. --Bob
Wasn't this supposed to happen already in Texas when we adopted Constitutional Carry. It hasn't by the way.
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#11 Post by Weyoun » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:28 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:12 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:16 pm
jarnon wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:58 pm
What the amendment (and the laws that it refers to) actually says is that the killer must reasonably believe that heʻs protecting his own or someone elseʻs life (not property). Now if the trespassers are close enough to be shot, theyʻre close enough to shoot the homeowner, and itʻs hard for the prosecution to prove that the killer knew the intruders were unarmed, so this amendment makes murder convictions much more difficult. Still, it doesnʻt permit killing any trespasser.
Of course, the way this will play out is people will go out armed, shoot first, ask questions later, and then claim they reasonably believed the people they were stalking were about to use force against them. --Bob
Wasn't this supposed to happen already in Texas when we adopted Constitutional Carry. It hasn't by the way.
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#12 Post by Pastor Fireball » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:11 pm

Weyoun wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:28 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:12 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:16 pm
Of course, the way this will play out is people will go out armed, shoot first, ask questions later, and then claim they reasonably believed the people they were stalking were about to use force against them. --Bob
Wasn't this supposed to happen already in Texas when we adopted Constitutional Carry. It hasn't by the way.
Folks are too busy shooting school children
But thank God they aren't shooting school embryos, right?
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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants

#13 Post by tlynn78 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:39 pm

Pastor Fireball wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:11 pm
Weyoun wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:28 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:12 pm


Wasn't this supposed to happen already in Texas when we adopted Constitutional Carry. It hasn't by the way.
Folks are too busy shooting school children
But thank God they aren't shooting school embryos, right?
Don't worry, padre, there's still plenty of places one can rip a baby from it's mother's womb piece by piece.
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#14 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:16 pm

Well, then

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Re: Arizona Republicans declare "open season" on migrants

#15 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:22 pm

Weyoun wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:28 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:12 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:16 pm
Of course, the way this will play out is people will go out armed, shoot first, ask questions later, and then claim they reasonably believed the people they were stalking were about to use force against them. --Bob
Wasn't this supposed to happen already in Texas when we adopted Constitutional Carry. It hasn't by the way.
Folks are too busy shooting school children
Apparently you don't believe psychopathy, bad parenting, etc contribute to, well, undesirable results. Or actual enforcement of existing laws. Cite statistics for your condemnation of just Texas.
Well, then

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