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[flockofseagulls104]

Sometimes, they were right. Before the radical left took them over.

[earendel]

Oh really, ear? I cannot believe you are that naive. Well, maybe I can. I think I misjudged you.

No, I don't think there is a deliberate attempt on the part of foreign countries to "dump their trash" on our border. If you actually listen to the stories that the immigrants tell, it's clear they are coming because they fear for their safety or realize there are no prospects in their home countries. If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

The little fantasy y'all have of migrant families skipping over the border into the arms of supporting, established family members is cute, but mostly utter rot. Most have paid coyotes their life savings (or had someone else who paid) to maybe get into the US - that's if one of the cartels doesn't grab them first, and rape, ransom or kill them. The cartels control the vast majority of migrants, and yes, send whoever they want or whoever they're paid the most to send. Do you suppose who they want to send is in our country's best interest? Naive doesn't begin to cover it.

I was under the impression that flock was speaking about governments. I don't have any "fantasy" regarding migrant families finding supporting family members (though I suspect there are those who do). And how desperate must someone be to put themselves in the hands of the coyotes in the first place? I doubt that the coyotes (or cartels) care one whit about the people they are exploiting; it's all about the money. I don't believe that they pick and choose. But if we had a more humane immigration system there wouldn't be a need for coyotes. If we did more to improve the conditions in the immigrants' home countries, we would have fewer coming.

[flockofseagulls104]

If we did more to improve the conditions in the immigrants' home countries, we would have fewer coming.

More naivity.

If we did more? What, exactly, should we be doing? Among all the other things "we should be doing"? Send them more money that will be distributed among the elite in their country? Instead of them becoming more like us, we are becoming more like them. We are rapidly becoming a banana republic. (Yes Trump said that. Unfortunately, he is correct). We need to fix US first.

[tlynn78]

No, I don't think there is a deliberate attempt on the part of foreign countries to "dump their trash" on our border. If you actually listen to the stories that the immigrants tell, it's clear they are coming because they fear for their safety or realize there are no prospects in their home countries. If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

The little fantasy y'all have of migrant families skipping over the border into the arms of supporting, established family members is cute, but mostly utter rot. Most have paid coyotes their life savings (or had someone else who paid) to maybe get into the US - that's if one of the cartels doesn't grab them first, and rape, ransom or kill them. The cartels control the vast majority of migrants, and yes, send whoever they want or whoever they're paid the most to send. Do you suppose who they want to send is in our country's best interest? Naive doesn't begin to cover it.

I was under the impression that flock was speaking about governments. I don't have any "fantasy" regarding migrant families finding supporting family members (though I suspect there are those who do). And how desperate must someone be to put themselves in the hands of the coyotes in the first place? I doubt that the coyotes (or cartels) care one whit about the people they are exploiting; it's all about the money. I don't believe that they pick and choose. But if we had a more humane immigration system there wouldn't be a need for coyotes. If we did more to improve the conditions in the immigrants' home countries, we would have fewer coming.

If our existing immigration laws are FOLLOWED and enforced the coyotes and cartels would lose a huge portion of their business. And just how is it our tax dollars should be spent improving third world countries when there's so much need here?

[Weyoun]

This is a great example of the lack of any kind of moral core to Trumpers.

They don’t care about actual labor rights. They this hilarious comparison to slavery, but these are the same folks, as demonstrated with the heritage foundation 2025 report, that are proposing that we suspend labor laws for five years, or give the states permission to do so, just to see what happens. Obviously, this will be a disaster for workers and they’ll be a huge deflationary pressure on wages.

They are proposing this is the same time they want to undercut industries depended on migrant labor, so I’m not really sure if they know what kind of fire they’re playing with. I guess they assume these blue-collar folks who didn’t wanna work in the lettuce fields previously will go do it now, after finding out their industrial jobs pay three bucks an hour and have no benefits.

But either way, they only care about immigrants and their labor right just to be contrarian. It’s much like Donald Trump suggesting that Russia isn’t so bad, because the United States does bad things also. It’s not an argument. It’s just saying something to disagree with people who have concerns about a certain policy. There’s no core to it, or overall arching morality.

That’s their whole world view. Vaccines are dangerous because people on the left like them. It’s not that they’re actually dangerous, but that people they disagree with want them, so they have to be contrarian. And now we have measles in Florida.

This idiotic reverse psychology is bullshit. It’s fine if you want to run your own house that way, or Karen Bighair your order at Olive Garden that way, but please don’t try to enforce it on the rest of the country.

[flockofseagulls104]

This is a great example of the lack of any kind of moral core to Trumpers.

They don’t care about actual labor rights. They this hilarious comparison to slavery, but these are the same folks, as demonstrated with the heritage foundation 2025 report, that are proposing that we suspend labor laws for five years, or give the states permission to do so, just to see what happens. Obviously, this will be a disaster for workers and they’ll be a huge deflationary pressure on wages.

They are proposing this is the same time they want to undercut industries depended on migrant labor, so I’m not really sure if they know what kind of fire they’re playing with. I guess they assume these blue-collar folks who didn’t wanna work in the lettuce fields previously will go do it now, after finding out their industrial jobs pay three bucks an hour and have no benefits.

But either way, they only care about immigrants and their labor right just to be contrarian. It’s much like Donald Trump suggesting that Russia isn’t so bad, because the United States does bad things also. It’s not an argument. It’s just saying something to disagree with people who have concerns about a certain policy. There’s no core to it, or overall arching morality.

That’s their whole world view. Vaccines are dangerous because people on the left like them. It’s not that they’re actually dangerous, but that people they disagree with want them, so they have to be contrarian. And now we have measles in Florida.

This idiotic reverse psychology is bullshit. It’s fine if you want to run your own house that way, or Karen Bighair your order at Olive Garden that way, but please don’t try to enforce it on the rest of the country.

First of all, I have pointed out I am not a 'trumper'. I am with Sarah Sanders.

trump has never said Russia 'isn't so bad'. He said that Putin is smarter than anyone in the current administration. Which is the truth. You make that erroneous extrapolation that he in any way approves of Russia. You have no grounds to call anyone else a moron.

As for the vaccines, you are ignoring the ever-growing evidence that these EXPERIMENTAL vaccines have had some very serious side effects in some people.

And the main point, to disregard your hysterical racist, bigoted responses, is that the free and open access in our southern border is lawless. All your arguments why we need to have illegal immigrants are moot. It is illegal. We have a legal immigration system. We need to enforce that and close down completely illegal immigration.

[silverscreenselect]

First of all, I have pointed out I am not a 'trumper'. I am with Sarah Sanders.

That's like saying, I'm not a Hitler fan. I'm with Joseph Goebbels.

[silverscreenselect]

First of all, I have pointed out I am not a 'trumper'. I am with Sarah Sanders.

That's like saying, "I'm not a Hitler fan. I'm with Joseph Goebbels."

[tlynn78]

First of all, I have pointed out I am not a 'trumper'. I am with Sarah Sanders.

That's like saying, "I'm not a Hitler fan. I'm with Joseph Goebbels."

So clever you had to do it twice? You are pathetic.

[tlynn78]

This is a great example of the lack of any kind of moral core to Trumpers.

They don’t care about actual labor rights. They this hilarious comparison to slavery, but these are the same folks, as demonstrated with the heritage foundation 2025 report, that are proposing that we suspend labor laws for five years, or give the states permission to do so, just to see what happens. Obviously, this will be a disaster for workers and they’ll be a huge deflationary pressure on wages.

They are proposing this is the same time they want to undercut industries depended on migrant labor, so I’m not really sure if they know what kind of fire they’re playing with. I guess they assume these blue-collar folks who didn’t wanna work in the lettuce fields previously will go do it now, after finding out their industrial jobs pay three bucks an hour and have no benefits.

But either way, they only care about immigrants and their labor right just to be contrarian. It’s much like Donald Trump suggesting that Russia isn’t so bad, because the United States does bad things also. It’s not an argument. It’s just saying something to disagree with people who have concerns about a certain policy. There’s no core to it, or overall arching morality.

That’s their whole world view. Vaccines are dangerous because people on the left like them. It’s not that they’re actually dangerous, but that people they disagree with want them, so they have to be contrarian. And now we have measles in Florida.

This idiotic reverse psychology is bullshit. It’s fine if you want to run your own house that way, or Karen Bighair your order at Olive Garden that way, but please don’t try to enforce it on the rest of the country.

Wipe the spittle off your screen and your comprehension will improve.

Sweden is often held up as a shining example of socialism at work. Wanna know why it's (mostly) working? Check their illegal immigrant stats. They have virtually zero. Therefore, their labor unions are very strong, and virtually every job pays a livable wage. Then you have the US, where cheap, and effectively slave labor is cattled through the southern border, stacked like cordwood in shacks or shelters - and those are the ones actually here to work and try to improve their lot. That doesn't consider the untold numbers of actual criminals crossing.

[Weyoun]

This is a great example of the lack of any kind of moral core to Trumpers.

They don’t care about actual labor rights. They this hilarious comparison to slavery, but these are the same folks, as demonstrated with the heritage foundation 2025 report, that are proposing that we suspend labor laws for five years, or give the states permission to do so, just to see what happens. Obviously, this will be a disaster for workers and they’ll be a huge deflationary pressure on wages.

They are proposing this is the same time they want to undercut industries depended on migrant labor, so I’m not really sure if they know what kind of fire they’re playing with. I guess they assume these blue-collar folks who didn’t wanna work in the lettuce fields previously will go do it now, after finding out their industrial jobs pay three bucks an hour and have no benefits.

But either way, they only care about immigrants and their labor right just to be contrarian. It’s much like Donald Trump suggesting that Russia isn’t so bad, because the United States does bad things also. It’s not an argument. It’s just saying something to disagree with people who have concerns about a certain policy. There’s no core to it, or overall arching morality.

That’s their whole world view. Vaccines are dangerous because people on the left like them. It’s not that they’re actually dangerous, but that people they disagree with want them, so they have to be contrarian. And now we have measles in Florida.

This idiotic reverse psychology is bullshit. It’s fine if you want to run your own house that way, or Karen Bighair your order at Olive Garden that way, but please don’t try to enforce it on the rest of the country.

Wipe the spittle off your screen and your comprehension will improve.

Sweden is often held up as a shining example of socialism at work. Wanna know why it's (mostly) working? Check their illegal immigrant stats. They have virtually zero. Therefore, their labor unions are very strong, and virtually every job pays a livable wage. Then you have the US, where cheap, and effectively slave labor is cattled through the southern border, stacked like cordwood in shacks or shelters - and those are the ones actually here to work and try to improve their lot. That doesn't consider the untold numbers of actual criminals crossing.

And you would have a great, plausible political position, if your leaders who support massive cutbacks in immigration, also supported strong labor unions, but they don’t. Curious.

[tlynn78]

This is a great example of the lack of any kind of moral core to Trumpers.

They don’t care about actual labor rights. They this hilarious comparison to slavery, but these are the same folks, as demonstrated with the heritage foundation 2025 report, that are proposing that we suspend labor laws for five years, or give the states permission to do so, just to see what happens. Obviously, this will be a disaster for workers and they’ll be a huge deflationary pressure on wages.

They are proposing this is the same time they want to undercut industries depended on migrant labor, so I’m not really sure if they know what kind of fire they’re playing with. I guess they assume these blue-collar folks who didn’t wanna work in the lettuce fields previously will go do it now, after finding out their industrial jobs pay three bucks an hour and have no benefits.

But either way, they only care about immigrants and their labor right just to be contrarian. It’s much like Donald Trump suggesting that Russia isn’t so bad, because the United States does bad things also. It’s not an argument. It’s just saying something to disagree with people who have concerns about a certain policy. There’s no core to it, or overall arching morality.

That’s their whole world view. Vaccines are dangerous because people on the left like them. It’s not that they’re actually dangerous, but that people they disagree with want them, so they have to be contrarian. And now we have measles in Florida.

This idiotic reverse psychology is bullshit. It’s fine if you want to run your own house that way, or Karen Bighair your order at Olive Garden that way, but please don’t try to enforce it on the rest of the country.

Wipe the spittle off your screen and your comprehension will improve.

Sweden is often held up as a shining example of socialism at work. Wanna know why it's (mostly) working? Check their illegal immigrant stats. They have virtually zero. Therefore, their labor unions are very strong, and virtually every job pays a livable wage. Then you have the US, where cheap, and effectively slave labor is cattled through the southern border, stacked like cordwood in shacks or shelters - and those are the ones actually here to work and try to improve their lot. That doesn't consider the untold numbers of actual criminals crossing.

And you would have a great, plausible political position, if your leaders who support massive cutbacks in immigration, also supported strong labor unions, but they don’t. Curious.

Why should the government 'support' labor unions?

[earendel]

If we did more to improve the conditions in the immigrants' home countries, we would have fewer coming.

More naivity.

If we did more? What, exactly, should we be doing? Among all the other things "we should be doing"? Send them more money that will be distributed among the elite in their country? Instead of them becoming more like us, we are becoming more like them. We are rapidly becoming a banana republic. (Yes Trump said that. Unfortunately, he is correct). We need to fix US first.

Maybe I should add "naive" to my sig.
Just throwing money at "the elite" is not the answer. Pushing for more democracy, dealing with lawlessness that causes people to flee, investing in industries that provide better jobs, fighting the corruption in the governments - there are things that can be done that don't necessarily involve money.

[earendel]

If our existing immigration laws are FOLLOWED and enforced the coyotes and cartels would lose a huge portion of their business. And just how is it our tax dollars should be spent improving third world countries when there's so much need here?

How would following our existing laws affect the coyotes and cartels? Do you think that building a border wall would do anything better?

And you assume that improving third-world countries is a zero-sum game.

[tlynn78]

If we did more to improve the conditions in the immigrants' home countries, we would have fewer coming.

More naivity.

If we did more? What, exactly, should we be doing? Among all the other things "we should be doing"? Send them more money that will be distributed among the elite in their country? Instead of them becoming more like us, we are becoming more like them. We are rapidly becoming a banana republic. (Yes Trump said that. Unfortunately, he is correct). We need to fix US first.

Maybe I should add "naive" to my sig.
Just throwing money at "the elite" is not the answer. Pushing for more democracy, dealing with lawlessness that causes people to flee, investing in industries that provide better jobs, fighting the corruption in the governments - there are things that can be done that don't necessarily involve money.

And what, precisely, gives us the right to do any of that? Maybe we should concentrate on modeling a more functional country ourselves, before policing everyone else.

[flockofseagulls104]

If we did more to improve the conditions in the immigrants' home countries, we would have fewer coming.

More naivity.

If we did more? What, exactly, should we be doing? Among all the other things "we should be doing"? Send them more money that will be distributed among the elite in their country? Instead of them becoming more like us, we are becoming more like them. We are rapidly becoming a banana republic. (Yes Trump said that. Unfortunately, he is correct). We need to fix US first.

Maybe I should add "naive" to my sig.
Just throwing money at "the elite" is not the answer. Pushing for more democracy, dealing with lawlessness that causes people to flee, investing in industries that provide better jobs, fighting the corruption in the governments - there are things that can be done that don't necessarily involve money.

Ear, you are just throwing virtue signals. How do we push for more democracy in other countries when we are losing our Constitutional Republic here? Other countries have lost respect for us rapidly over the past few years. Dealing with lawlessness in other countries? How about we deal with it here first? Investing? Do you believe the government is in the business of investing? Choosing the winners and losers? Fighting corruption in other governments? C'mon, ear.

[earendel]

More naivity.

If we did more? What, exactly, should we be doing? Among all the other things "we should be doing"? Send them more money that will be distributed among the elite in their country? Instead of them becoming more like us, we are becoming more like them. We are rapidly becoming a banana republic. (Yes Trump said that. Unfortunately, he is correct). We need to fix US first.

Maybe I should add "naive" to my sig.
Just throwing money at "the elite" is not the answer. Pushing for more democracy, dealing with lawlessness that causes people to flee, investing in industries that provide better jobs, fighting the corruption in the governments - there are things that can be done that don't necessarily involve money.

Ear, you are just throwing virtue signals. How do we push for more democracy in other countries when we are losing our Constitutional Republic here? Other countries have lost respect for us rapidly over the past few years. Dealing with lawlessness in other countries? How about we deal with it here first? Investing? Do you believe the government is in the business of investing? Choosing the winners and losers? Fighting corruption in other governments? C'mon, ear.

Again, you and tgirl seem to think this is a zero-sum game - that helping other nations comes at the expense of our own. I happen to believe that we can do both. I'm naive, remember? Or, as I would prefer to say, I'm a person of faith.

[tlynn78]

Maybe I should add "naive" to my sig.
Just throwing money at "the elite" is not the answer. Pushing for more democracy, dealing with lawlessness that causes people to flee, investing in industries that provide better jobs, fighting the corruption in the governments - there are things that can be done that don't necessarily involve money.

Ear, you are just throwing virtue signals. How do we push for more democracy in other countries when we are losing our Constitutional Republic here? Other countries have lost respect for us rapidly over the past few years. Dealing with lawlessness in other countries? How about we deal with it here first? Investing? Do you believe the government is in the business of investing? Choosing the winners and losers? Fighting corruption in other governments? C'mon, ear.

Again, you and tgirl seem to think this is a zero-sum game - that helping other nations comes at the expense of our own. I happen to believe that we can do both. I'm naive, remember? Or, as I would prefer to say, I'm a person of faith.

Zero sum? How about negative sum, as witnessed by our current deficit?

[tlynn78]

That’s their whole world view. Vaccines are dangerous because people on the left like them. It’s not that they’re actually dangerous, but that people they disagree with want them, so they have to be contrarian. And now we have measles in Florida

Hey doc, as you're still fretting about anti-vaxxers, any thoughts on how many of the millions of illegals pouring in have added to the total? Zero chance the measles could have been imported, right? You planning any trips to the border to get them caught up on their boosters?

[Bob78164]

If our existing immigration laws are FOLLOWED and enforced the coyotes and cartels would lose a huge portion of their business. And just how is it our tax dollars should be spent improving third world countries when there's so much need here?

How would following our existing laws affect the coyotes and cartels? Do you think that building a border wall would do anything better?

And you assume that improving third-world countries is a zero-sum game.

With respect to people seeking asylum, the Administration is already following existing law: "Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title." --Bob

[Weyoun]

That’s their whole world view. Vaccines are dangerous because people on the left like them. It’s not that they’re actually dangerous, but that people they disagree with want them, so they have to be contrarian. And now we have measles in Florida

Hey doc, as you're still fretting about anti-vaxxers, any thoughts on how many of the millions of illegals pouring in have added to the total? Zero chance the measles could have been imported, right? You planning any trips to the border to get them caught up on their boosters?

I’m always confused why you think it’s up to me specifically to make the world a better place in one specific way, just so an argument I make on the internet has more credibility, while your deadweight Karen ass mocks others, and while I have plenty on my hands helping the sick as it is.

Regardless of who brought the measles to whom, it is in the general public in Florida right now, which means that it’s anyone who’s not vaccinated who is getting it, not just those Venezuelans you hate. And that’s because the Florida governor is encouraging vaccine skepticism.

All the more reason to get vaccinated, tlynn! That way if some brown person coughs on you, you can live to make another bigoted internet comment.

[Weyoun]

Ear, you are just throwing virtue signals. How do we push for more democracy in other countries when we are losing our Constitutional Republic here? Other countries have lost respect for us rapidly over the past few years. Dealing with lawlessness in other countries? How about we deal with it here first? Investing? Do you believe the government is in the business of investing? Choosing the winners and losers? Fighting corruption in other governments? C'mon, ear.

Again, you and tgirl seem to think this is a zero-sum game - that helping other nations comes at the expense of our own. I happen to believe that we can do both. I'm naive, remember? Or, as I would prefer to say, I'm a person of faith.

Zero sum? How about negative sum, as witnessed by our current deficit?

Oh, yes, the deficit argument. That’s why you’re in favor of the IRS, enforcing tax laws, right? You’re also in favor of the very rich, paying more also, right?

Just a little confused how one of the small part of the budget for some reason is the thing that will make or break it, but all of things you want will not do that.

But go ahead, vote for the guy who ballooned the deficit, and tell everyone you are deficit serious.

[tlynn78]

That’s their whole world view. Vaccines are dangerous because people on the left like them. It’s not that they’re actually dangerous, but that people they disagree with want them, so they have to be contrarian. And now we have measles in Florida

Hey doc, as you're still fretting about anti-vaxxers, any thoughts on how many of the millions of illegals pouring in have added to the total? Zero chance the measles could have been imported, right? You planning any trips to the border to get them caught up on their boosters?

I’m always confused why you think it’s up to me specifically to make the world a better place in one specific way, just so an argument I make on the internet has more credibility, while your deadweight Karen ass mocks others, and while I have plenty on my hands helping the sick as it is.

Regardless of who brought the measles to whom, it is in the general public in Florida right now, which means that it’s anyone who’s not vaccinated who is getting it, not just those Venezuelans you hate. And that’s because the Florida governor is encouraging vaccine skepticism.

All the more reason to get vaccinated, tlynn! That way if some brown person coughs on you, you can live to make another bigoted internet comment.

You are hysterical. I mean, laughable, but also unhinged

[flockofseagulls104]

Again, you and tgirl seem to think this is a zero-sum game - that helping other nations comes at the expense of our own. I happen to believe that we can do both. I'm naive, remember? Or, as I would prefer to say, I'm a person of faith.

Zero sum? How about negative sum, as witnessed by our current deficit?

Oh, yes, the deficit argument. That’s why you’re in favor of the IRS, enforcing tax laws, right? You’re also in favor of the very rich, paying more also, right?

Just a little confused how one of the small part of the budget for some reason is the thing that will make or break it, but all of things you want will not do that.

But go ahead, vote for the guy who ballooned the deficit, and tell everyone you are deficit serious.

Somebody, I think it was trollboy, once described you as conservative. You are about as conservative as Kim Jong Un, and it goes to show how little trollboy knows about conservatives. Yet he parades himself as an expert. But come to think of it, he does that about everything.

[tlynn78]

Hey doc, as you're still fretting about anti-vaxxers, any thoughts on how many of the millions of illegals pouring in have added to the total? Zero chance the measles could have been imported, right? You planning any trips to the border to get them caught up on their boosters?

I’m always confused why you think it’s up to me specifically to make the world a better place in one specific way, just so an argument I make on the internet has more credibility, while your deadweight Karen ass mocks others, and while I have plenty on my hands helping the sick as it is.

Regardless of who brought the measles to whom, it is in the general public in Florida right now, which means that it’s anyone who’s not vaccinated who is getting it, not just those Venezuelans you hate. And that’s because the Florida governor is encouraging vaccine skepticism.

All the more reason to get vaccinated, tlynn! That way if some brown person coughs on you, you can live to make another bigoted internet comment.

You are hysterical. I mean, laughable, but also unhinged

And you didn't answer the main point - should there be concern about the vax status of the millions of undocumented pouring over the border, or no?