Update on Trump Legal Cases

[Pastor Fireball]

Trump now has two options. He can request the entire DC circuit to review the case en banc or appeal directly to the Supreme Court. If the entire circuit accepts the case and rules against him, he could appeal that decision to the Supreme Court as well. However, there is no guarantee that either the DC Circuit or Supreme Court will hear the case.

The DC panel that issued its decision addressed Trump's possible appeals. If he appeals to the entire DC court for review, the current stay will be lifted and the proceedings in the trial court resume. Trump has until this coming Monday to file a notice of appeal with the US Supreme Court or the stay will be lifted as well. So the DC court is trying to limit Trump's options for delaying the proceedings.

If this does go to the Supreme Court, here's what I would love to see used in the case:

"Is the President of the United States subject to criminal indictment while he serves in office? Congress should establish that the President can be indicted only after he leaves office voluntarily or is impeached by the House of Representatives and convicted and removed by the Senate... The Framers thus appeared to anticipate that a President who commits serious wrongdoing should be impeached by the House and removed from office by the Senate--and then prosecuted thereafter. The Constitution itself seems to dictate, in addition, that congressional investigation must take place in lieu of criminal investigation when the President is the subject of investigation, and that criminal prosecution can occur only after the President has left office."

What judge wrote the above in 1998? If you answered

Spoiler

Brett Kavanaugh

then congratulations. You win a cookie.

[silverscreenselect]

More bad news for Trump in the New York civil fraud trial that may explain why we don't have a verdict yet. Last week, the New York Times reported that Allen Weiselberg, the former Trump organization accountant is negotiating a plea with the Manhattan District Attorney's office on perjury charges. Judge Engoron, who is the trial judge in the Trump civil fraud case, sent a notice to the New York AG and Trump's attorneys asking for their comments on how this possible perjury might affect Weiselberg's testimony in the Trump civil case. Weiselberg testified as to the value of various Trump holdings. Judge Engoron wrote to Trump's attorneys and the AG: "As the presiding magistrate, the trier of fact, and the judge of credibility, I of course want to know whether Mr. Weisselberg is now changing his tune, and whether he is admitting he lied under oath in my courtroom at this trial." Trump has until tomorrow to file a response.

The judge could completely discredit Weiselberg's testimony as possibly perjured and raise the damages he assesses in the case even more. The New York AG's office is asking for $370 million.

[flockofseagulls104]

Curling v Raffensperger Update

Just providing information you won't get from MSM. Judge Totenberg, who previously ruled against another earlier Diebold election system for Georgia, heard this extension of the case. Diebold's system was then promptly replaced by an equally, if not more, vulnerable system called Dominion. The following was evidence allowed into the record. The plaintiffs estimate this is only about 20% of the relevant evidence they could have presented if the opportunity arose for them to do so.

Curling v. Raffensperger
Evidence Summary

Credibility:
1. Brad Raffensperger refused to testify under oath about Georgia elections.
2. Assistant Secretary Jordan Fuchs also did not testify.
3. No one from Dominion Voting System testified despite claims that cybersecurity was outsourced
to Dominion.
4. SOS election officials who testified demonstrated severe credibility problems including Ryan
Germany, Michael Barnes, Blake Evans and Gabriel Sterling.
5. Nobody in the SOS office is responsible for cybersecurity of the SOS election preparation server
that prepares election projects for every county for every election.
Security:
6. Plaintiff expert witness, Alex Halderman was able to hack the Dominion BMD in front of the court
for the second time.
7. Dr Halderman hacked a BMD in front of the court three years ago and the SOS office has done
nothing to mitigate the risks since then.
8. The Coffee Co. exposure poses a threat to future elections because those accessing the image
from the secured Sullivan Strickler portal could have given the image to a third party.
9. Dr Halderman testified that his “greatest concern” was an attacker who infiltrates the facility
where the SOS prepares elections could modify the election definitions distributed to all Georgia
counties, and thereby spread malware to every ICX used in Georgia.
Electronic Results Tampering:
10. Phil Stark’s proffered declaration confirmed that Fulton Co. had over 17,000 cast votes for
which there were no ballot images.
11. Dr. Stark’s research findings were confirmed by a VoterGA report submitted for the record and
that report also found that thousands of Fulton Co. 2020 ballot images were electronically altered
prior to certification.
12. Dr. Gilbert confirmed that “there is no known way to secure a digital ballot image”.
Vote Counting Problems:
13. There is still no plausible explanation for why Hershel Walker’s vote totals decreased by 20,000
votes in a 4-minute span on Election Night while vote totals for other candidates increased.
14. The malfunction that caused the Dominion Voting system to select the wrong winners in the
DeKalb Co. District 2 Commission race is not solely attributable to human error from a ballot
alignment. The failure of the system to count 1805 votes is likely more attributable to a ballot
rejection problem.
15. Georgia is suffering from the same ballot rejection problem as Tennessee. The SEB 2022-348
complaint documents that the error rejected ballots in 65 of 67 counties surveyed.
16. The Tennessee Secretary of State letter discontinuing the use of the Dominion Democracy Suite
5.5. system in Tennessee was authenticated by Blake Evans and submitted into evidence.
Logic and Accuracy (L&A):
17. Dr. Appell confirmed Dr Halderman’s finding that malware can be programmed to subvert Logic
and Accuracy testing by counting differently on different days.
18. Dr. Halderman’s finding that malware can subvert L&A testing by being programmed to subvert
cheat after counting the first n ballots was not refuted
19. Dr. Halderman’s conclusion “No practical method of pre-election or parallel testing can rule out
malware-based fraud.” was also not refuted.
Audits:
20. Plaintiff expert witness Phil Stark explained that RLA’s cannot be used to verify BMD elections.
21. State’s expert witness Dr. Juan Gilbert confirmed that RLAs cannot audit what a BMD showed
to the voter.
22. Gov. Kemp’s 36-point study showed massive discrepancies in the Fulton Co. 2020 hand count
audit and illustrated that those 2020 audit results never matched the original election results.
Transparency:
23. The lack of transparency can be considered a constitutional deficiency subject to the court’s
oversight.
24. Paper ballots are sealed permanently not available for counting to verify election results as Dr.
Appell recommended.
25. Georgia has no policy to mitigate illegitimate ballots or even detect them.
26. Dr. Gilbert explained that “you can check your bank account but not your vote”.
Wireless Dominion System Access
27. A proffered cyber security forensic report shows the Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5 installation is
set up in many ways for the system to be accessed wirelessly from remote devices including cell
phones.
28. Eyewitness depositions state Dominion Voting System personnel accessed the system wirelessly
during Election Night of the 2021 U.S. Senate race to resolve a ballot rejection problem in
Coffee Co.
29. A nation-state vulnerability expert with 30 years of experience at Sandia National Labs found the
exact scanner setting Dominion personnel wirelessly changed to resolve the ballot rejection
problem.
Securing 2024 Elections:
30. No evidence was introduced showing Dominion has any patch that will resolve the security
risks identified by Dr. Halderman;
31. Dr. Halderman’s conclusion about the Dominion ICX in his study was not challenged: “it was
developed without sufficient attention to security during design, software engineering, and
testing.”
32. Dr. Halderman’s conclusion about the Dominion system was also not challenged: “In my view, it
would be extremely difficult to retrofit security into a system that was not initially produced
with such a process.”

Garland Favorito explains the Plaintiff's case. I'm sure the above-average attorneys on the bored will be extremely interested in viewing this in its entirety. Just FYI if you have any interest in election integrity, other than to deny there's any problem. Otherwise, just go on ignoring it. Just right-wing election deniers....

[silverscreenselect]

On Thursday, Judge Kaplan, the judge in the E. Jean Carroll case, denied Trump's motion for a mistrial and officially entered the $83 million judgment in the case. What this means legally is that the clock starts ticking for Trump. He has 30 days to file notice of an appeal and post bond or Carroll can start levying against his assets. He would either need to find a bonding company to post bond for him, in which case he would have to pay a 10-20% non-refundable bonding fee and put up other assets as collateral, or post the entire amount of the bond himself with the court (this would be a figure in excess of $83 million, because they would add interest on the judgment). One problem with that is that there's an injunction against Trump in the civil fraud case that prevents him from disposing of assets. He would need Judge Engoron's approval to place assets in escrow with Judge Kaplan's court pending his appeal.

For what it's worth, Trump wasn't under this injunction when the first $5 E. Jean Carroll verdict came down. He couldn't find any bonding company willing to issue a bond in that case, so he had to post the collateral assets with the court.

[silverscreenselect]

Mike Roman, the Trump co-defendant who originally filed a motion to dismiss regarding Fani Willis' relationship with Nathan Wade, has filed a supplemental statement. In it, his attorney says that she intends to call Wade's former law partner as a witness at the Thursday hearing and that she will testify that the relationship between Wade and Willis began before she became district attorney, contrary to their statements. Roman also produced business records showing Willis and Wade took two additional trips in 2022 and 2023 to the Caribbean besides the ones mentioned previously in his filings.

The gist of Roman's new motion is that if the relationship between Willis and Wade began before the Trump prosecution, she had financial reason to bring the case so she could hire Wade and to drag it out as long as possible to increase his billings. The hearing is this coming Thursday. It will be televised and should be very entertaining.

[flockofseagulls104]

So, trollboy, youve posted twice since my last post. No comment on the actual evidence in Curling/Raffensperger? Still cling to 'there's no evidence'? Did the AJC give you any of this information? Or have you, as I expect, completely ignored that post?

[silverscreenselect]

So, trollboy, youve posted twice since my last post. No comment on the actual evidence in Curling/Raffensperger? Still cling to 'there's no evidence'? Did the AJC give you any of this information? Or have you, as I expect, completely ignored that post?

I'm waiting on the judge's decision in the case, not your characterization or the characterization of a hired gun of the evidence.

[flockofseagulls104]

So, trollboy, youve posted twice since my last post. No comment on the actual evidence in Curling/Raffensperger? Still cling to 'there's no evidence'? Did the AJC give you any of this information? Or have you, as I expect, completely ignored that post?

I'm waiting on the judge's decision in the case, not your characterization or the characterization of a hired gun of the evidence.

Of course you are. Not at all interested in actual evidence, just like Raffensperger and the rest of them who did nothing to secure the election process. Keep posting in willful and deliberate ignorance. If you just ignore the evidence, you don't have to refute it, (which in most cases the state didn't) or act on it (which the state obviously did not).

[jarnon]

Trump appeals immunity decision

How quickly and what the Supreme Court decides will determine the timing of the Oct. 7 trial.

Trump charged for the attack on Israel? I didn’t expect that.

[silverscreenselect]

The judge in the Georgia Trump case denied Fani Willis' motion to cancel Thursday's hearing on defendant Mike Roman's motion (joined by Trump and others) to dismiss the case or disqualify Willis because of her relationship with special prosecutor Nathan Wade. Judge McAfee said that allegations could result in Willis' disqualification so the hearing will proceed on Thursday (and be televised).

The judge will first allow Wade's former law partner, Terrence Bradley, to testify regarding when the relationship between Willis and Wade began, whether they cohabitate, and details about their travels. Based on that testimony, the judge will decide whether to quash the subpoenas on Willis and others. Judge McAfee had Roman's attorney go through the list of potential witnesses and state specifically what she expected each one to testify about. The judge said Roman's attorney would not be allowed to bring up Wade's credentials or lack thereof to act as a special prosecutor in this case but that the hearing would focus on whether Willis had any conflicts that would result in her disqualification. The judge did quash one subpoena on the bank records of Synovus, where Wade's law firm keeps its funds. He said that subpoena was overly broad. Based on this hearing, it would appear that dismissal of the case is a longshot, but disqualification of Willis a somewhat greater possibility, depending on just how damaging the various testimony is. The issue isn't whether Wade and Willis had a relationship (which both admit) but whether that resulted in the payment of legal fee funds to him and indirectly back to her in terms of travel expenses Wade picked up.

Thursday's hearing should be highly entertaining.

[silverscreenselect]

True the Vote fails to reveal evidence of Georgia voting fraud claims

True the Vote said in a recent court filing that it doesn’t know the identity of its own anonymous source who told a story of a “ballot trafficking” scheme allegedly organized by a network of unnamed groups paying $10 per ballot delivered. True the Vote also told the court it doesn’t have documents about illegal ballot collection, the name of its purported informant or confidentiality agreements it previously said existed. The records were subpoenaed by the State Election Board in 2022.

Georgia election officials and voters are left to wonder whether True the Vote and “2000 Mules” told the truth — or if they were drumming up outrage based on vague suspicions and an unnamed whistleblower, fueling suspicions about Democrat Joe Biden’s win over Republican Donald Trump. “It just doesn’t make sense,” said Matt Mashburn, a Republican former acting chairman of the State Election Board. “It’s odd to have someone make an allegation and then fight so hard to hold onto the truth of that allegation.”

True the Vote, a Texas-based organization that raises money from its activism, said Georgia officials already have all the information they need to investigate cellphone signals that purportedly came within 100 feet of multiple drop boxes during the 2020 election. But without any witnesses, perpetrators or stronger evidence, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation declined to pursue an inquiry.

Without more information, the Georgia investigation appears to be stalled. True the Vote said in court filings it would produce some documents but didn’t identify which ones. “Once again, True the Vote has proven itself untrustworthy and unable to provide a shred of evidence for a single one of their fairy-tale allegations,” said Mike Hassinger, a spokesman for the secretary of state’s office. “Like all the lies about Georgia’s 2020 election, their fabricated claims of ballot harvesting have been repeatedly debunked.” Four of the State Election Board’s five members didn’t respond to requests for comment about the True the Vote case. Board member Ed Lindsey said the lack of evidence makes him question True the Vote’s allegations, and he referred questions about the case to the attorney general’s office, which represents the State Election Board.

In the words of Gomer Pyle, "Surprise, surprise, surprise."

[silverscreenselect]

The judge in Trump's New York hush money case has denied defense motions for a delay because it would hurt his ability to campaign and officially set the trial date for March 25. Jury selection will begin on that date and the trial is expected to take up to six weeks.This is a New York State criminal case, not a federal case.

[Beebs52]

You're missing the Fani Willis disqualification trial

[silverscreenselect]

You're missing the Fani Willis disqualification trial

I caught a lot of it. The only witness who offered testimony against Willis was a former friend who worked in the DA's office before being fired (or asked to resign) for poor performance. She said that she had seen Wade and Willis had been affectionate in public (kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc.) a number of times before Wade was hired. But she had no evidence that Willis and Wade had lived together or spent the night together, and Willis never admitted to any sort of relationship. You would think that if their relationship at parties and social events was that apparent, others would be able to corroborate that fact.

Willis and Wade both denied their relationship began before he was hired. They said Willis paid him in cash three or four times for reimbursement for the vacation expenses, in amounts from $1000 to $2500. Willis explained the cash that she had always kept a cash fund in her house in case she ever needed it and that the fund at times had as much as $20,000 in it. One reason Wade said he wasn't dating Willis or anyone in 2020 and early 2021 was that he had cancer and was trying to remain in a sterile environment during the COVID crisis. Before being elected DA, she was a part-time municipal judge and had a private practice.

Willis will be back on the stand tomorrow, and then the attorneys who filed the motion against her say they have two more witnesses. The DA's office may call its own witnesses, including Willis's father. He lived with her in her house up until some time in 2021 before she moved out because of death threats she was receiving due to other gang cases she was prosecuting.

Right now, the issue is whether Willis and/or Wade's relationship gave them an improper financial motive in prosecuting this case. The evidence of that is slim. However, both have stated under oath that the relationship did not begin until after Wade's appointment. If the judge believes they lied in their previous statements, that could be grounds for disqualifying her as well. If she is disqualified, the entire DA's office would be disqualified and the state would need to appoint a special prosecutor to continue. That would push the trial date back for months at least.

[silverscreenselect]

Testimony concluded today in the hearing to disqualify DA Willis. The prosecution called former Governor Roy Barnes, who testified that Willis asked him to serve as special prosecutor before Nathan Wade was hired, and he declined because it didn't pay enough. Willis' father also testified and corroborated her story about keeping substantial amounts of cash on hand and denying that he had ever met Nathan Wade before 2023 and knew nothing about any possible romantic relationship between the two (he lived in Willis' house since 2019 although Willis moved out after she was appointed DA due to death threats she received).

The main witness in the afternoon was Terrence Bradley, Wade's former law partner, who represented Wade in his divorce. The defense attorneys tried to get Bradley to testify that Wade had told him that his affair with Willis began before he was appointed special prosecutor, but Wade successfully asserted attorney/client privilege, namely that Bradley had no independent knowledge of the affair, and anything that he might have learned about it would have come from Wade's statements to Bradley in regard to his divorce.

The big bombshell came when the prosecution cross-examined Bradley. Earlier, he had testified that he and Wade ended their partnership following some unspecified disagreements. Under cross-examination, Bradley admitted that he departed the firm following allegations of sexual assault by a co-worker and that he had paid money into an escrow account for his accuser. The prosecution tried to call witnesses who would testify Bradley either assaulted them or they witnessed him assaulting someone else. The judge shut down that line of testimony as collateral to the main issues. But he said the admissions by Bradley on cross-examination raised questions about Bradley's credibility. The judge will review the testimony and the issues raised about privilege and make a ruling later. Before the judge issues a ruling, he will question Bradley in chambers to determine just what Wade told Bradley and under what circumstances, then make his final ruling about to what extent privilege applies.

So, the only two witnesses who offered (or presumably would have offered) testimony about the affair beginning before Wade was appointed are an attorney Willis fired for incompetence and Wade's former partner who left the firm after he sexually assaulted a co-worker.

[silverscreenselect]

More bad news on the legal front for election deniers. The Supreme Court denied the appeal of Sidney Powell (a defendant in the Georgia Trump case who has already pleaded guilty) and Lin Wood (who has since surrendered his law license) who were sanctioned by a federal court in Michigan for filing frivolous lawsuits contesting the 2020 election. In their suit, they claimed the election was part of a sweeping conspiracy involving parties in Venezuela and China. The trial court dismissed the suit and levied sanctions against Powell and Wood, and the Sixth Circuit affirmed that decision.

[silverscreenselect]

Trump's attorneys have filed cell phone records with Judge McAfee in Georgia that they say show Nathan Wade made about 35 visits to the area of the condo where Fani Willis was living in 2021 before he was appointed special prosecutor (and when they both claim the relationship started). On at least two of those occasions, he arrived late at night and left the next morning, according to Trump's attorneys. This supposed evidence is based on the same type of cell phone tower records that were mentioned in the 2000 Mules movie. At least one expert has already questioned the reliability and accuracy of these claims.

The judge has set next Friday, March 1, for a hearing on legal arguments as to whether Willis and her office should be disqualified in the Trump case. Presumably, he could also accept or reject this cell phone data at that time or give Willis' office an opportunity to refute it.

[Beebs52]

I'm thinkin she's toast.

[silverscreenselect]

Wayne LaPierre has resigned as President of the NRA days before jury selection is to begin in a New York civil suit that could have major implications for its survival.. NY Attorney General Letitia James sued LaPierre and other NRA executives in 2020, alleging they used NRA funds for their own personal enrichment. As James put it, LaPierre used the NRA as his "personal piggy bank," financing eight family trips to the Bahamas and an African safari, among other things. The judge in the suit has already dismissed NRA claims that the suit is a matter of political bias. An attempted bankruptcy filing by the NRA was dismissed by a Texas judge because he ruled it was brought in bad faith. Although James sought to put the NRA out of business entirely, the judge indicated that remedy was unlikely. What is likely is that LaPierre and the other officers will be ordered to reimburse the organization for the money they appropriated with interest and lose their positions (which in LaPierre's case is now a moot point).

The jury returned a verdict against LaPierre today for $4.3 million for misusing the organization's funds. He will have to pay that money back to the NRA. The judge will decide later whether to permanently ban him from any position in NRA leadership. The jury also found against the NRA on a number of other charges, including failure to have an adequate whistleblower policy and filing false financial statements, but I'm not sure what the penalties will be.

[Beebs52]

Unsure what this has to do with willis stuff.

[flockofseagulls104]

Trump's attorneys have filed cell phone records with Judge McAfee in Georgia that they say show Nathan Wade made about 35 visits to the area of the condo where Fani Willis was living in 2021 before he was appointed special prosecutor (and when they both claim the relationship started). On at least two of those occasions, he arrived late at night and left the next morning, according to Trump's attorneys. This supposed evidence is based on the same type of cell phone tower records that were mentioned in the 2000 Mules movie. At least one expert has already questioned the reliability and accuracy of these claims.

The judge has set next Friday, March 1, for a hearing on legal arguments as to whether Willis and her office should be disqualified in the Trump case. Presumably, he could also accept or reject this cell phone data at that time or give Willis' office an opportunity to refute it.

Of course, trollboy, Wade had another girlfriend that lived next door. That's the ticket.
There will be "experts" that question EVERYTHING! That's what they do.
The same guy testified that they spoke to each other 2000 times and had 12,000 "interactions" (texts) in 2021. (Not GPS location data. Actual phone calls between 2 phones).
So how come they can use cellphone data to nab 'insurrectionists' on Jan 6th, but you don't question that?

Do you even read what you post? Do you not see how lame your excuses are? How hypocritical they are?
But there will be 'judges' who are just like you who will use BS like that to justify their bogus rulings. Just like Engoron's 18 million Mar-A-Lago appraisal. (He must be a real estate expert on the side).

[silverscreenselect]

So how come they can use cellphone data to nab 'insurrectionists' on Jan 6th, but you don't question that?

It's a matter of how many points of reference you have. From the article you cited:

Using this data, investigators were able to map out where specifically Brandon Miller was during the Capitol breach with an accuracy of 32 feet using knowledge from GPS data, nearby Wi-Fi access points, and Bluetooth beacons that interacted with the phone during the insurrection. According to the map pieced together by Google and the DOJ, US prosecutors were able to verify that Brandon Miller was inside of the Capitol for half an hour, spending time in both the Senate chamber and rotunda. Security cameras from inside of the building further confirmed to investigators that both Millers were inside of the building as well.

I would guess that there are a whole lot of triangulation points in or near the U.S. Capitol. Not so here, where the investigator used two cell phone towers. The evidence is split as to how accurate this information is:

Paul Steffes, a Georgia Tech professor of electrical and computer engineering who has testified about cellphone location data in court cases, said the evidence does not prove that Wade stayed in one place. At best, the data appears to show Wade, who could have been driving around, was within a 9-square-mile area that included Willis’ condo, he said. “This sounds to me like these folks are not experienced and they don’t understand the limits of either the data or the tool they’re using,” Steffes said of Trump’s team.

A nine-square-mile area includes the Atlanta airport and numerous airport-area hotels and restaurants.

Willis has objected to admitting this "evidence" because the records were never properly authenticated and the submission it contains opinion testimony that has not been verified as expert or allowed her to challenge and raise any questions about the so-called evidence or the qualifications of the person offering the opinion. From the questioning at the hearing, it appears Trump's lawyers had this information at the time but chose not to file it, in violation of the judge's order about presentation of exhibits: "Experts. Any party seeking to rely on expert testimony at trial (or any evidentiary hearing) must provide written notice to the opposing party. This notice must include a meaningful summary of the expert’s testimony as well as his or her qualifications to serve as an expert witness. This notice must be provided at least 14 days before the Final Plea/Trial Calendar Call and seven days before any evidentiary hearing requiring expert testimony."

Willis also introduced evidence showing that on several occasions when Wade was in the vicinity of her condo (and the airport and hotels and restaurants), she was miles away, including time spent at other crime scenes.

The attempt to "introduce" this evidence now despite the judge's orders, when they clearly had the evidence at the earlier hearing, is the underhanded stunt we've come to expect from Trump and the other defendants' team of attorneys. At the very least, there should be an evidentiary hearing on this "evidence" and the qualification of the "expert" who rendered an opinion.

That's typical for Flock. He blindly accepts anything that someone says that supports his case as "fact" or "evidence" when it usually is neither.

[silverscreenselect]

Trump, his sons, and his businesses have filed their notice of appeal in the $450+ civil fraud case. He still has the remainder of his 30 days from the official judgment date last week to post his bond in the case.

[Bob78164]

Trump, his sons, and his businesses have filed their notice of appeal in the $450+ civil fraud case. He still has the remainder of his 30 days from the official judgment date last week to post his bond in the case.

To be clear, they can continue to pursue the appeal even if they don't post a bond. But if they don't post the bond, the State can begin to execute on the judgment while the appeal is pending. --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

I am both sad and encouraged that James and Engeron, Willis and Wade, Smith and Garland, etc... have set these precedents. We need to go after entities like Soros, Elias, Abrams, et al using the same disregard for ethics and justice that the left has unleashed. There are people just as unethical on the right, though I doubt they would have started this. They are not as desperate as the left currently is. But they will pursue it now that Pandora's box has been opened and the path has been trod. I can't see any other way for this kind of lawlessness to be stopped. What goes around will come around.

Shame on you supposed lawyers who are gleefully applauding this because it's Trump. All of these cases are legal travesties, and what's more, you know it.